Are You Tired of the Separation of Church and State?

[AZRWinger]

Hi!

OK.

Which is why we have RINO and why I--in part--no longer belong to the Republican Party.

Oh, good! At least, you're not so militantly anti-Christian that you're not too good to also hate the Muslims, as well.

You keep saying "you" but you've yet to provide any evidence to suggest that it was "us".

I'll agree.

My 15 year old niece was raped and impregnated by her rapist. She went to get an abortion in the small town where she lives but all of the protestors made what was an already unbearable situation even worse. Ultimately, it was decided to take her to a clinic in a big city to limit her exposure to any more trauma. And it was there in the big city where she did--in fact--terminate her pregnancy.

In the summer of 2020 it was deemed not just noble but necessary to violate Covid restrictions with mass public gatherings protesting racial injustice as a pretext fpr looting, burning and violence. But abortion protesters are denying the sacred right to slaughter unborn children.

Rape is a terrible tragedy and the perpetrator deserves all the punishment the law allows. Aborting the child of rape just creates another innocent victim.

 

[JH Oldoc]

You keep saying "you" but you've yet to provide any evidence to suggest that it was "us".

Pardon, to write "you", meaning "one" (or someone) may be colloquial speech. It doesn't mean you - Baron.

When one bombs and....

 

[The Baron]

Pardon, to write "you", meaning "one" (or someone) may be colloquial speech. It doesn't mean you - Baron.

When one bombs and....

Exactly who did the bombing?

 

[JH Oldoc]

Exactly who did the bombing?

In this case, these guys:

Christmas abortion bombings - Pensapedia, the Pensacola encyclopedia

www.pensapedia.com

 

[it's just me]

She is a complete ****ing moron. We need complete separation of church and state. They can start paying taxes as well since they are so politically involved!

The Dumbocrats have OAC for their political dumbass.

I read something today that said that anytime you see the term "social justice" substitute "justice" with "revenge". I'm sure that's what the whole " tax the Church" sentiment is about - revenge - Jesus found out about that. Not that it will do you any good, we've been here before and you didn't learn the last time.

Try to wipe us out again and we will come back and take over your civilization - again.

 

[Hari Seldon]

The Dumbocrats have OAC for their political dumbass.

I read something today that said that anytime you see the term "social justice" substitute "justice" with "revenge". I'm sure that's what the whole " tax the Church" sentiment is about - revenge - Jesus found out about that. Not that it will do you any good, we've been here before and you didn't learn the last time.

Try to wipe us out again and we will come back and take over your civilization - again.

Based on your response we should DOUBLE tax them. Civilization survived and thrived long before jesus and after him if he even existed at all. Nothing for 100 years about him in Roman literature. Probably made up bullshit to control the masses. I like Rick Steve's analysis of the period, the 1st 500 years you could be crucified for being christian, the last 500 years you could be crucified for NOT being christian. Funny how it didn't last after that.

 

[it's just me]

Based on your response we should DOUBLE tax them. Civilization survived and thrived long before jesus and after him if he even existed at all. Nothing for 100 years about him in Roman literature. Probably made up bullshit to control the masses. I like Rick Steve's analysis of the period, the 1st 500 years you could be crucified for being christian, the last 500 years you could be crucified for NOT being christian. Funny how it didn't last after that.

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"Control the masses?" What masses? The few hundred that followed him around for three years? And to what end?

And how many were crucified for not being Christian? Give me the numbers.

 

[JH Oldoc]

"Control the masses?" What masses? The few hundred that followed him around for three years? And to what end?

And how many were crucified for not being Christian? Give me the numbers.

Hi, ijm, not to answer for anyone else, but just a thought there.
.Constantine in 325 (Nicea) began to consolidate the religions of the Roman empire into one frankenstein religion, the Roman Church (Roman Catholicism). With the church controlled, the people are controlled. One presumes it was the intent of the poster to convey that idea.
.Prior to that Christians had indeed been persecuted for their beliefs.
Later when the church was well established in Europe, you have the Inquisition torturing and murdering people who were not followers. You can look it up.

 

[it's just me]

Hi, ijm, not to answer for anyone else, but just a thought there.
.Constantine in 325 (Nicea) began to consolidate the religions of the Roman empire into one frankenstein religion, the Roman Church (Roman Catholicism). With the church controlled, the people are controlled. One presumes it was the intent of the poster to convey that idea.
.Prior to that Christians had indeed been persecuted for their beliefs.
Later when the church was well established in Europe, you have the Inquisition torturing and murdering people who were not followers. You can look it up.

Your history book reads differently from mine. Constantine wanted to unite the empire around Christianity and the eastern and western churches (no pagans involved) hashed out who Jesus was and finally went with the western version of Christian theology. No persecution involved.

The inquisition was centuries later. Look it up.

 

[Hari Seldon]

"Control the masses?" What masses? The few hundred that followed him around for three years? And to what end?

And how many were crucified for not being Christian? Give me the numbers.

Not even sure what a christian is but they sure liked to kill those that disagreed including other "christians". Religion was developed to control the masses and consolidate power and has absolutely nothing to do with god.

Many today don't believe that the Roman Catholic church actually persecuted and killed other Christians and yet the record is clear it did.

We see it in the slaughter of the Albigensians which was really the first Roman Catholic crusade intended to slay other Christians. [K.Deschner, Opus Diaboli, Reinbek 1987, 29]The Albigensians...viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and dictates. Then on the command of pope Innocent III in 1209, Bezirs (today France) was destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims including Catholics refusing to turn over their neighbours and friends were up to 70,000. [H.Wollschlger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zrich 1973.179-181]

In Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands were slain and in subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232to search and destroy any who did not hold to the what the church dictated.

 

[it's just me]

Not even sure what a christian is but they sure liked to kill those that disagreed including other "christians". Religion was developed to control the masses and consolidate power and has absolutely nothing to do with god.

This is BS. ^. You can't prove a word of it.

And, as I said, the inquisition was centuries later and had nothing to do with the early Church.

 

[Hari Seldon]

This is BS. ^. You can't prove a word of it.

And, as I said, the inquisition was centuries later and had nothing to do with the early Church.

Sure, whatever you say. Rationalization is wonderful. Personally, I could care less what people believe. They just have no right to force those beliefs on others. Nor do they deserve special treatment.

 

[it's just me]

Sure, whatever you say. Rationalization is wonderful. Personally, I could care less what people believe. They just have no right to force those beliefs on others. Nor do they deserve special treatment.

Well, I resent it when people tell out and out lies that justify their bigotry. Some of the people reading it don't know the difference.

I ask no quarter and I give no quarter.

 

[poweRob]

SCOTUS sure is tired of that separation.

 

[Loulit01]

Am I tired of the separation of church and state? Well, I'm tired of waiting for the separation of church and state. Hasn't happened yet.

 

[Lisa]

I have read Jefferson.

The first amendment says... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.....

What part of that am I missing.

History shows that several states had state sponsored religions well into the early 1800's and they were NEVER challenged.

The states got smart and wrote them out of their state Constitutions....but nothing was ever said about the fact they existed.

You might want to read all of what Jefferson had to say on the issue. The separation of church and state is sacrosanct if we are to all have equal religious and secular rights because allowing church and state to mingle will quickly result in a violent theocracy. History has many illustrations of this occring.

Gentlemen


The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.


Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.


I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.


Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.

Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

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James Madison,

Transcription​

“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.”

James Madison on Separation of Church and State - Creating the United States | Exhibitions - Library of Congress

Transcription of an object within the Creating the United States exhibition.

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The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries.

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[NOVA66]

If you are, you might be Lauren Boobert.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/boebert-says-she-tired-separation-205248681.html

Brad Dress
Tue, June 28, 2022 at 4:52 PM


Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) says she is “tired” of the long-standing separation between church and state in the U.S., adding that she believes “the church is supposed to direct the government.”
In a Sunday speech at the Cornerstone Christian Center in Basalt, Colo., ahead of her primary election on Tuesday, Boebert argued that “the government is not supposed to direct the church,” falsely claiming that dividing religion from the system of government was not what the Founding Fathers intended.
“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk — that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter and it means nothing like they say it does,” Boebert said, earning a round of applause from the audience.

What we need is Theocracy.....apparently
Can inquisition and witch burnings be far behind?

She is a bimbo.

 

[rickc]

There is a reason for the separation of church and state

just look what has happened to the republican party. Evangelicals are dangerous!

 

[Lisa]

Absolutely not.

Religion (or theology) is the repository and vehicle for most of our moral teachings.

I'd love to see atheist kids have the chance to be someplace where they can mediate or play games while others do what they want to do.

Are you suggesting that atheists kids seek religion but it is being banned from them by their parents?

Morals evolved despite religion, or did you not read the Bible? That bible is among the least moral books in existence. Rape, genocide, murder, incest, child abuse, child marriage, and other crimes are part of the core idea of religious belief.

She is a bimbo.

That is defaming actual bimbos. Sarah Palin looks like Eleanor Roosevelt compared to that dipshit.

 

[bomberfox]

If you are, you might be Lauren Boobert.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/boebert-says-she-tired-separation-205248681.html

Brad Dress
Tue, June 28, 2022 at 4:52 PM


Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) says she is “tired” of the long-standing separation between church and state in the U.S., adding that she believes “the church is supposed to direct the government.”
In a Sunday speech at the Cornerstone Christian Center in Basalt, Colo., ahead of her primary election on Tuesday, Boebert argued that “the government is not supposed to direct the church,” falsely claiming that dividing religion from the system of government was not what the Founding Fathers intended.
“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk — that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter and it means nothing like they say it does,” Boebert said, earning a round of applause from the audience.

What we need is Theocracy.....apparently
Can inquisition and witch burnings be far behind?

The Trump crowd and Booboo Bennett (Kaitlyn Bennett) want a monarchy too. All it took for these jokers to want everything we fought a revolution against was losing an election.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You might want to read all of what Jefferson had to say on the issue. The separation of church and state is sacrosanct if we are to all have equal religious and secular rights because allowing church and state to mingle will quickly result in a violent theocracy. History has many illustrations of this occring.

Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

www.loc.gov

James Madison,

James Madison on Separation of Church and State - Creating the United States | Exhibitions - Library of Congress

Transcription of an object within the Creating the United States exhibition.

www.loc.gov

James Madison Quotes

"The purpose of separation of church and state..." - James Madison quotes from BrainyQuote.com

www.brainyquote.com

You are ignoring the fact that the constitution did not prevent states from supporting individual religions. This happend up until the early 1830's when the states finished writing them out of their constitutions. That it was happening was never challenged.

State prescribed religion is an awful idea....I totally agree on that.

However, if a community wishes to allow religion (not just their religion) into schools and other public arenas that should be their choice.

 

[Allan]

If you are, you might be Lauren Boobert.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/boebert-says-she-tired-separation-205248681.html

Brad Dress
Tue, June 28, 2022 at 4:52 PM


Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) says she is “tired” of the long-standing separation between church and state in the U.S., adding that she believes “the church is supposed to direct the government.”
In a Sunday speech at the Cornerstone Christian Center in Basalt, Colo., ahead of her primary election on Tuesday, Boebert argued that “the government is not supposed to direct the church,” falsely claiming that dividing religion from the system of government was not what the Founding Fathers intended.
“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk — that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter and it means nothing like they say it does,” Boebert said, earning a round of applause from the audience.

What we need is Theocracy.....apparently
Can inquisition and witch burnings be far behind?

I wonder how Boebert would like Sharia Law. That's how I feel about any religion having any say in governing.

 

[Lisa]

You are ignoring the fact that the constitution did not prevent states from supporting individual religions. This happend up until the early 1830's when the states finished writing them out of their constitutions. That it was happening was never challenged.

State prescribed religion is an awful idea....I totally agree on that.

However, if a community wishes to allow religion (not just their religion) into schools and other public arenas that should be their choice.

Those schools are funded with taxpayer dollars, so they cannot allow the majority religious beliefs to trample those of the minority. That tyranny of the majority is the cornerstone of the Bill of Rights existence. It also violation both religious clauses of the first amendment.


How would you feel if the majority religious belief isn't that of a christian sect, so your child was taught Islam, Hindi or another belief and your tax dollars were funding it? Why can't you keep religion out of the actions of the government? Religion is a private matter, as Jefferson and Madison are famous for stating, and the state must be neutral on the issue.

We can't have freedom of religion if all of the states are permitted to trample on religion in their own way. We all live in a state, so there is no possible freedom if relgion if the states can ignore it.

 

[The Mark]

If you are, you might be Lauren Boobert.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/boebert-says-she-tired-separation-205248681.html

Brad Dress
Tue, June 28, 2022 at 4:52 PM


Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) says she is “tired” of the long-standing separation between church and state in the U.S., adding that she believes “the church is supposed to direct the government.”
In a Sunday speech at the Cornerstone Christian Center in Basalt, Colo., ahead of her primary election on Tuesday, Boebert argued that “the government is not supposed to direct the church,” falsely claiming that dividing religion from the system of government was not what the Founding Fathers intended.
“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk — that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter and it means nothing like they say it does,” Boebert said, earning a round of applause from the audience.

What we need is Theocracy.....apparently
Can inquisition and witch burnings be far behind?

She and anyone else who thinks we don't need separation of church and state are free to move to a place that doesn't have it.

But if they want to change it here, F that.

 

[Gordy327]

You are ignoring the fact that the constitution did not prevent states from supporting individual religions. This happend up until the early 1830's when the states finished writing them out of their constitutions. That it was happening was never challenged.

State prescribed religion is an awful idea....I totally agree on that.

However, if a community wishes to allow religion (not just their religion) into schools and other public arenas that should be their choice.

The Constitution and related precedent applies to public schools, regardless of what a community might want. A community cannot and does not override the Constitution.