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Are you right or left libertarian ?

Are you right or left libertarian ?


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thanks for voting.You libertarians may comment on why you are left or right
 

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There's no such thing as a leftist libertarian - it is a contradiction in terms.

A libertarian is an advocate of small, very limited government...

A leftist is someone who wants government - lots and lots of government - big government...

You could possibly be a libertarian and a federalist - and as a federalist advocate safety net programs on the state level. Unfortunately, such concessions to positive government come with the inevitable danger of government creep which leftists will exploit to the point where you will invariably find yourself living in an over-regulated society with bloated government.

Not to mention the leftists, as is their nature, will always be pushing for consolidation and centralization - which is where we are now in this God-forsaken country.

Anyone who fancies themselves a "Libertarian leftist" is not a libertarian.
 

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There's no such thing as a leftist libertarian - it is a contradiction in terms.

A libertarian is an advocate of small, very limited government...

A leftist is someone who wants government - lots and lots of government - big government...

You could possibly be a libertarian and a federalist - and as a federalist advocate safety net programs on the state level. Unfortunately, such concessions to positive government come with the inevitable danger of government creep which leftists will exploit to the point where you will invariably find yourself living in an over-regulated society with bloated government.

Not to mention the leftists, as is their nature, will always be pushing for consolidation and centralization - which is where we are now in this God-forsaken country.

Anyone who fancies themselves a "Libertarian leftist" is not a libertarian.

Oh stop. :roll: Who gave you permission to define what is and what isn't in the world of politics?

What about libertarians who are 100% pro-choice? 100% supportive of SSM? Against the death penalty?

Wouldn't Libertarians who are pro-life, anti-SSM, and supportive of the death penalty classify those as "left-libertarian"?

Why would you insist all libertarians must fit into one specific definition (that you personally created) of libertarian.

I can see where there'd be more liberal minded Libertarians and more conservative minded libertarians.
 

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wist43;1065930855[SIZE=3 said:
]There's no such thing as a leftist libertarian[/SIZE] - it is a contradiction in terms.

A libertarian is an advocate of small, very limited government...

A leftist is someone who wants government - lots and lots of government - big government...

You could possibly be a libertarian and a federalist - and as a federalist advocate safety net programs on the state level. Unfortunately, such concessions to positive government come with the inevitable danger of government creep which leftists will exploit to the point where you will invariably find yourself living in an over-regulated society with bloated government.

Not to mention the leftists, as is their nature, will always be pushing for consolidation and centralization - which is where we are now in this God-forsaken country.

Anyone who fancies themselves a "Libertarian leftist" is not a libertarian.

I may agree with you on 'left' part and that is why I started it and also added 'other' to the options so that they may explain their libertarianism
 
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A leftist is someone who wants government - lots and lots of government - big government...

And NOBODY from the right has ever done that???? :roll:

***cough cough Reagan cough cough ***

The Godfather and Messiah of the present day conservatives....
 

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I may agree with you on 'left' part and that is why I started it and also added 'other' to the options so that they may explain their libertarianism

theres no such thing as right libertarianism its something american confederates started calling themselves after WW2 to avoid being called fascists
 

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theres no such thing its something american confederates started calling themselves after WW2 to avoid being called fascists

I dislike this ideology too but lets help them explain their side
 

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I dislike this ideology too but lets help them explain their side

Then let me help speed things along

Nationalism is the main foundation of fascism. The fascist view of a nation is of a single organic entity that binds people together by their ancestry, and is a natural unifying force of people. Fascism seeks to solve economic, political, and social problems by achieving a millenarian national rebirth, exalting the nation or race above all else, and promoting cults of unity, strength, and purity

Fascism promotes the establishment of a totalitarian state. It opposes liberal democracy, rejects multi-party systems, and supports a one-party state.

Fascism presented itself as a viable alternative to the two other major existing economic systems – liberal capitalism and Marxist socialism.

Fascism emphasizes direct action, including supporting the legitimacy of political violence, as a core part of its politics

Fascism emphasizes youth both in a physical sense of age and in a spiritual sense as related to virility and commitment to action. The Italian Fascists' political anthem was called Giovinezza ("The Youth"). Fascism identifies the physical age period of youth as a critical time for the moral development of people that will affect society. Italian Fascism pursued what it called "moral hygiene" of youth, particularly regarding sexuality. Fascist Italy promoted what it considered normal sexual behaviour in youth while denouncing what it considered deviant sexual behaviour

Fascism emphasizes both palingenesis and modernism. In particular, fascism's nationalism has been identified as having a palingenetic character. Fascism promotes the regeneration of the nation and purging it of decadence. Fascism accepts forms of modernism that it deems promotes national regeneration while rejecting forms of modernism that are regarded as antithetical to national regeneration

Some critics of Italian fascism have said that much of the ideology was merely a by-product of unprincipled opportunism by Mussolini, and that he changed his political stances merely to bolster his personal ambitions while he disguised them as being purposeful to the public

Fascism has been criticized for being ideologically dishonest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Tenets
 

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And NOBODY from the right has ever done that???? :roll:

***cough cough Reagan cough cough ***

The Godfather and Messiah of the present day conservatives....

There is no practical small government way of building an interstate highway system, securing our borders or defending our nation from outside invasion. IMHO, what makes a right libertarian is honestly evaluating the role and level of government required to provide adequate safety, order and infrastructure while preserving maximum practical individual freedom.
 

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And here I thought libertarians we just advocates of human liberty. Is there a left/right divide there somewhere I am not seeing?
 

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There is no practical small government way of building an interstate highway system, securing our borders or defending our nation from outside invasion. IMHO, what makes a right libertarian is honestly evaluating the role and level of government required to provide adequate safety, order and infrastructure while preserving maximum practical individual freedom.

I take it you are a "right" Lib (Libertarian). Just out of curiosity, are you also a Christian?
 

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There is no practical small government way of building an interstate highway system, securing our borders or defending our nation from outside invasion. IMHO, what makes a right libertarian is honestly evaluating the role and level of government required to provide adequate safety, order and infrastructure while preserving maximum practical individual freedom.

And here I thought libertarians we just advocates of human liberty. Is there a left/right divide there somewhere I am not seeing?

this is whats called ideological dishonesty, there are no parties that are against those things.

Yet both of these statements would have you assume that neither current political parties supports these values, and that "a 3rd way is necessary", even if the establishment of this new way is done through force
 

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this is whats called ideological dishonesty, there are no parties that are against those things.

Yet both of these statements would have you assume that neither current political parties supports these values, and that "a 3rd way is necessary", even if the establishment of this new way is done through force

False. There are parties against human liberty. Namely yours. Talk about ideological dishonesty...Or is it just ideological ignorance on your part?
 

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False. There are parties against human liberty. Namely yours. Talk about ideological dishonesty...Or is it just ideological ignorance on your part?

name one person who has ever said "I hate liberty"....
 

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All libertarians (classical liberals) agree on basic values, but there's a disagreement on priorities. The right-libertarians see government institutions as the primary threat to individual freedom. prosperity and everything that is good and decent. The left-libertarians put emphasis on the corporate side of the crony-capitalist equation.
 

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this is whats called ideological dishonesty, there are no parties that are against those things.

Yet both of these statements would have you assume that neither current political parties supports these values, and that "a 3rd way is necessary", even if the establishment of this new way is done through force

What is support for gun control in the democratic party? How many liberals do you think support banning certain people from having guns?
 

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What is support for gun control in the democratic party? How many liberals do you think support banning certain people from having guns?

then thats an issue you can discuss honestly, and the republican party loves guns so theres no honest need for a 3rd party on that basis alone is there?
 

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Any commie who has ever walked the earth has hated liberty. Few, if any, are honest enough to actually say it.

exaclty everyone is a liar except for this new cult
 

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then thats an issue you can discuss honestly, and the republican party loves guns so theres no honest need for a 3rd party on that basis alone is there?

We can discuss liberals views on regulations in general if you like. :shrug: Do you want to talk about anti-discrimination laws? Do you want to discuss liberal views on wage controls? We can discuss all kinds of flaws in your argument if you like.

Anyway, do liberals commonly believe people that served their time should have gun rights? Yes or no?
 

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I take it you are a "right" Lib (Libertarian). Just out of curiosity, are you also a Christian?

Technically no - I practice no organized religion yet many of my (moral?) beliefs seem to coincide with some of them. ;)
 

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Oh stop. :roll: Who gave you permission to define what is and what isn't in the world of politics?

What about libertarians who are 100% pro-choice? 100% supportive of SSM? Against the death penalty?

Wouldn't Libertarians who are pro-life, anti-SSM, and supportive of the death penalty classify those as "left-libertarian"?

Why would you insist all libertarians must fit into one specific definition (that you personally created) of libertarian.

I can see where there'd be more liberal minded Libertarians and more conservative minded libertarians.

The examples you mention "pro-choice? 100% supportive of SSM?" are not libertarian at all, unless the rights of others are robustly protected, which they are not at present.
As for capital punishment, it is not really an issue of libertarian vs statist thought, though, a statist will tend to accept it more readily than a modern libertarian.
 

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We can discuss liberals views on regulations in general if you like. :shrug:

Still though, do liberals commonly believe people that served their time should have gun rights? Yes or no?

no i mean you can discuss it open and honestly with people who disagree with you, like what regulations you dont like it and the ones you do, but it is dishonest for too you proclaim everyone who disagrees with you "hates liberty" or "hates america" or "hates freedom"
 

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A Libertarian is a small limited power government individual freedom loving person. Today's Progressive/Liberal/Socialist are 100% the opposite of that. If you look to the Government to solve problems and rum peoples lives you are 100% disqualified from being a Libertarian.

Ironically up until about 100 years ago the term Liberal actually described what Libertarians are today. But then Socialist realized it was beneficial to lie about what they were so they slowly hijacked that term. Today Liberal is a euphemism for Socialist. No it looks like they are trying to do the same thing with the term Libertarian.
 
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