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Why are you dehumanizing people in the fetal stage of their lifespan? Sure those people can make decisions. Just like you and me. I just takes them longer to do it. But I also realize that trying to argue that point with a girl who has chosen to "terminate a pregnancy" (AKA murder a baby) and any guy who has pressured them to do that, is futile. It may be too hard for them to admit to themselves, let alone others that they did wrong. It's too hurtful for them to admit it. To those people I say... [Truth will set you free
Why are you dehumanizing people in the fetal stage of their lifespan?
Sure those people can make decisions. Just like you and me. I just takes them longer to do it.
This is just another common irrationality found in pro-lifers....and just written out by 2 people in the last 2 pages: that a fetus could "make a choice."
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And this is a point you attempt to use to change (rational) people's minds??
Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Seems kinda selfish IMO, to put into nice terms that won't get me banned.Because I believe that women are more important than fetuses and deserving of respect for the choices they make regarding their own futures?
Yes, we disagree.
Seems kinda selfish IMO, to put into nice terms that won't get me banned.
Actually, that is not what I think.You think fetuses can make choices....so your opinions are already in question.
Actually, that is not what I think.
Carefully read what I posted if you want to know what I think.
That statement is selfish, childish and arrogant.I did...and their 'future ability' to make a choice is just as useless. They may never even reach term. So it's low return and poor risk to put their 'possible' abilities above those of a woman who can already exercise her abilities.
That statement is selfish, childish and arrogant.
As opposed to whose rights?Standing up for women's rights?
As opposed to whose rights?
It is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with people like you.I didnt claim any other rights.
It is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with people like you.
Because I believe that women are more important than fetuses and deserving of respect for the choices they make regarding their own futures?
Yes, we disagree.
Please don't assume I'm ignoring you. You've made some profound statements and I'm not really sure how to respond just yet. You are making me think.Yes, it is a contradiction, and I realize that. The reason that I can be pro-life personally, and pro-choice in my voting, is because I don't expect other people to live up to my own ethical standards, and because when a woman (other than myself) is pregnant, I had nothing to do with that pregnancy or her body. She is responsible for how she conducts herself, and not me. I am responsible for myself, and for those which I had a hand in creating. I think that a fetus is a person. If another woman does not have the instinct to imagine what the life she is carrying will become, then I actually feel pity for her and for that unborn baby, but that action which I consider the taking of a life, does not leave blood on my hands. In the abortion issue, and when it comes to individual rights, a choice must be made between the mother and the baby, as to who has preference. The mother is already here- she is the one who made the choices leading to that pregnancy, thus she is the one responsible for the course of action in dealing with her own situation.
I am pro life 100% but fully understand how abortion is sometimes necessary as well as being the moral and ethical choice. I would never vote for abortion to be outlawed. And because I don't know what is in the heart of or the situation of any woman, I will not presume to judge the choices others make. I agree that the poll options do not allow for the various shades of gray that exist within the issue.
But yes, I want to return to a culture of life in which it is not almost automatic that the unwanted child will be killed.
I want to return to a culture of life in which it is not almost automatic that the unwanted child will be killed.
The law of supply and demand applies to all life forms on this planet. After all, we don't find mosquito life valuable because it's extremely common.
Now our population numbers are well over 8 billion so there is no reason to think now that every human that implants in the womb must be carried full term for some reason.
In my opinion, to not understand that the unborn baby, at any stage of his/her development, is a human life is to result in the attitude expressed by GEIxBattleRifle up there who seems to think eight billion people is sufficient and therefore life is expendable.
So you are pro choice and you choose no.
I have similar (not exactly the same) feelings.
The definitions I provided prove that you can support certain exceptions and still be pro-life. The only one being absurd is you.
The thing is, the child is also already here too. And if the mother is in jeopardy of losing her life or being seriously and permanently injured as a result of the pregnancy then I think it is a legitimate case of self-defense. Otherwise it's not an either/or proposition in the first place. Both can survive.Yes, it is a contradiction, and I realize that. The reason that I can be pro-life personally, and pro-choice in my voting, is because I don't expect other people to live up to my own ethical standards, and because when a woman (other than myself) is pregnant, I had nothing to do with that pregnancy or her body. She is responsible for how she conducts herself, and not me. I am responsible for myself, and for those which I had a hand in creating. I think that a fetus is a person. If another woman does not have the instinct to imagine what the life she is carrying will become, then I actually feel pity for her and for that unborn baby, but that action which I consider the taking of a life, does not leave blood on my hands. In the abortion issue, and when it comes to individual rights, a choice must be made between the mother and the baby, as to who has preference. The mother is already here- she is the one who made the choices leading to that pregnancy, thus she is the one responsible for the course of action in dealing with her own situation.
The thing is, the child is also already here too. And if the mother is in jeopardy of losing her life or being seriously and permanently injured as a result of the pregnancy then I think it is a legitimate case of self-defense. Otherwise it's not an either/or proposition in the first place. Both can survive.
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