Are you an Extremist?

[Chomsky]

I disagree with allowing nazis any representation at all. To do so just ends up with people suffering and getting genocided.

Then you'd be limiting free speech. Which is a very dangerous thing.

Which is why as long as the speech is Constitutional, I'll not interfere.

There are limits, though. If the speech can be shown to invoke violence or criminality, it can indeed be limited. So, there's that. But we need to be very careful on how we handle that.

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Edit: (sorry missed you were referring to 'representation')

My statement still stands, as long as they act Constitutionally. If the majority of legislators object, there's always Constitutional Amendment.

 

[Luce]

No one will deny guys like him are disgusting.

But the 1stA protects exactly that speech we may most dislike. In addition, everyone has the right to their vote, and their representation.

Richard Spencer was at no time deprived of his 1st amendment rights.

 

[bomberfox]

Then you'd be limiting free speech. Which is a very dangerous thing.

Which is why as long as the speech is Constitutional, I'll not interfere.

There are limits, though. If the speech can be shown to invoke violence or criminality, it can indeed be limited. So, there's that. But we need to be very careful on how we handle that.

Sure we do but a community running the klan out of their towns is self defense. Theres only one thing that these groups lead to. Its the deaths of you and i.

We should be very careful i agree, though we should really consider the consequences of allowing these groups to induct more people or enter into any government employ.

 

[Chomsky]

Richard Spencer was at no time deprived of his 1st amendment rights.

I didn't claim he was.

In fact, I'm not even that familiar with him beyond knowing he's a renowned White Supremist.

 

[Chomsky]

Sure we do but a community running the klan out of their towns is self defense. Theres only one thing that these groups lead to. Its the deaths of you and i.

We should be very careful i agree, though we should really consider the consequences of allowing these groups to induct more people.

Only, if done Constitutionally.

That's my point, here. We need to act Constitutionally.

 

[LouC]

I'm an extremist. You have to be in this wake of wokeness.

Yeah but from my point of view I rue that I am WOKE in the wake of the stinking garbage scow of the Republican Party, plowing fetidly through every body of politics in my beloved country; a garbage scow of R-wingerism captained by Orange Man Donny "Captain Queeg" Trump!

 

[bomberfox]

Only, if done Constitutionally.

That's my point, here. We need to act Constitutionally.

Leaves a good bit of leeway for non government action .

 

[Chomsky]

Yeah but from my point of view I rue that I am WOKE in the wake of the stinking garbage scow of the Republican Party, plowing fetidly through every body of politics in my beloved country; a garbage scow of R-wingerism captained by Orange Man Donny "Captain Queeg" Trump!

Wow!

That's quite a stream of adjectives!

 

[Lycanthrope]

Extremism is like beauty.

 

[Bodi]

I'm an extremist. You have to be in this wake of wokeness.

Or the Wokeness started the Extremism.

 

[Bodi]

You do realize that whole thing was sarcastic, right?

He was, in fact, making the point that extremism is bad.

I know. That was kinda the point of the thread... and then we have person after person here saying they are extremist.

That said, I consider it perfectly legitimate to dislike and oppose individuals or groups if you have evidence to support that position. However, you shouldn't let that opposition and dislike spiral into unthinking negative reaction.

everybody now thinks that they are on the side of righteousness and the other side, by merely disagreeing with you is a Nazi pro-murdering psycho

 

[The Mark]

I know. That was kinda the point of the thread... and then we have person after person here saying they are extremist.

everybody now thinks that they are on the side of righteousness and the other side, by merely disagreeing with you is a Nazi pro-murdering psycho

Not everybody.

Keep in mind that this forum and various other internet social media are not representative samples of humanity.

 

[Bodi]

Not everybody.

Keep in mind that this forum and various other internet social media are not representative samples of humanity.

Yes. Obviously not everybody. There are jungle tribes in the Amazon still... Obviously everybody meant the garbage we are seeing in the media now.

 

[bomberfox]

Libertarian Market Socialist???

I must admit, that sounds like the Baha'i theory of economics!

So I assume that means 'Libertarian' in general social policies, but 'Socialist' in terms of economics?



I'm 100% in agreement, here. Though I think Germany is a great model, and more similar to us.



Tough sell!

But I must admit, if we're to believe the prevalent literature, it is thought that many cooperatives seem to run pretty well.

The problem I see is in mandating co-ops. We would be forcing unions that are not formed naturally, nor necessarily desired. I'm concerned that might take away from individual entrepreneurial drive.

Despite my avatar, and the RL Chomsky's ideal of anarcho-capitalism, I'm not deeply versed in co-ops besides a bit of research into the Spaniard experience of the mid 20th century (prior to Franco). I also recall Spain has a premier co-op since around that time, that's considered a prototype of sorts.

Given that I can't recall the name of the leading Spanish co-op, nor I'm sure will many, but everyone including myself knows Apple, Facebook, and Microsoft, it would take a lot to convince me co-ops are the better solution.

So for the reasons above, I believe I'd prefer to keep our current system, but bring-in relevant social programs & restraints to supplant our free-market capitalism. I'd give universal healthcare and a very minimal UBI, and eschew pretty much the rest of our social programs.



Given my response, you may be right!

Chomsky’s idea of annarcho capitalism? Whut? Thats a new one! He is definitely an anticapitalist.

 

[bomberfox]

I know. That was kinda the point of the thread... and then we have person after person here saying they are extremist.

everybody now thinks that they are on the side of righteousness and the other side, by merely disagreeing with you is a Nazi pro-murdering psycho

I consider myself radicalized but i try to be very accurate when i identify someone.

 

[bomberfox]

Extremism is like beauty.

Yeah the overton window is not a fixed position.

 

[Cassandra]

I know. That was kinda the point of the thread... and then we have person after person here saying they are extremist.

everybody now thinks that they are on the side of righteousness and the other side, by merely disagreeing with you is a Nazi pro-murdering psycho

Having spent a lot of time trying to understand people with whom I disagree, I have come to the conclusion that most people have some sense of "the good life" and it is not necessarily my definition of the 'good life'! I can usually find points of agreement but there will be ideas that simply do not resonate.

It is true of relationships as well. It is useless to try to 'change' people. You can only hope to inspire understanding, compassion and strategies to cope with differences.

So the problem becomes how do we live our version of the "good life" in a big, diverse, multi-racial, multi-cultural country. I appreciate that video from John Cleese and I think we are in a dangerous place and outsides entities are trying to whip up the outrage with completely false narratives.

 

[Cassandra]

Yeah the overton window is not a fixed position.

I think this statement (not sure about source) describes the balancing act that can inform the citizen who does not aspire to extremism:

"The first principle of moderation is recognition of the plurality of political goods and constraints of human nature. Liberty is a vital principle of the open society, but so are community and equality. ABSOLUTIZING any of these goals or goods is the essence of ideological thinking while moderation is a recognition that all of them are important".

 

[Cassandra]

I see that the quote came from the Niskanen Center:

"If you’ve had enough of all the political bickering coming from every side, a Washington think tank released a manifesto that it hopes will inspire those in the middle. The Niskanen Center‘s policy essay “The Center Can Hold: Public Policy in the Age of Extremes” attempts to incorporate rival ideological positions into a way forward for the divided America."

 

[Mustachio]

Is extremism good? According to John Cleese it is. Do you agree? The problem with this poll will be that many of you are Extremists but don't realize it due to the reasons Cleese outlines in the following clip.

i'm woke will i live?

 

[TurtleDude]

You must be really bored.

would that be extremely bored?

 

[Dans La Lune]

Is extremism good? According to John Cleese it is. Do you agree? The problem with this poll will be that many of you are Extremists but don't realize it due to the reasons Cleese outlines in the following clip.

What is extreme? What is moderate?

I think climate change is going to devastate humanity within ~50 years. I think everyone should have healthcare that is free at the point of service. I think personal fortunes in the 100s of billions of dollars is a symptom of a very sick society. I think natural resources should be nationalized. I think forcing another human to carry a pregnancy to term is akin to slavery.

Seems moderate to me.

 

[The Mark]

What is extreme? What is moderate?

I think climate change is going to devastate humanity within ~50 years. I think everyone should have healthcare that is free at the point of service. I think personal fortunes in the 100s of billions of dollars is a symptom of a very sick society. I think natural resources should be nationalized. I think forcing another human to carry a pregnancy to term is akin to slavery.

Seems moderate to me.

Thing is, I think that sketch is from a decade or so ago when the middle was closer to moderate.

 

[Bodi]

i'm woke will i live?

I no longer have the power to answer that question.

 

[Bodi]

What is extreme? What is moderate?

I think climate change is going to devastate humanity within ~50 years. I think everyone should have healthcare that is free at the point of service. I think personal fortunes in the 100s of billions of dollars is a symptom of a very sick society. I think natural resources should be nationalized. I think forcing another human to carry a pregnancy to term is akin to slavery.

Seems moderate to me.

Do you scream at others or hate people because they have a different view?