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Are white conservatives being hypocritical about "illegal" immigration?

What do you think of conservative hypocrisy over immigration?

  • I believe that it is offensive, disgusting, and racist

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  • I don't mind it, and I will explain my reasoning in post down the page

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Ganapathy

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The gop loves to harp about deporting "undocumented" "illegal aliens"

However, they completely ignore the fact that their ancestors, the Pilgrims and other white settlers, were also undocumented immigrants who had no visas or legal rights to settle in the New World

In fact, while modern undocumented aliens are often very hard workers and upstanding, law abiding citizens, the early white settlers did nothing but steal land which rightfully belonged to the Natives by force, and committed one of the worst genocides in history in the process.

I find the right wing view of "securing our borders" as pure and unbridled hypocrisy.
 

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The gop loves to harp about deporting "undocumented" "illegal aliens"

However, they completely ignore the fact that their ancestors, the Pilgrims and other white settlers, were also undocumented immigrants who had no visas or legal rights to settle in the New World

In fact, while modern undocumented aliens are often very hard workers and upstanding, law abiding citizens, the early white settlers did nothing but steal land which rightfully belonged to the Natives by force, and committed one of the worst genocides in history in the process.

I find the right wing view of "securing our borders" as pure and unbridled hypocrisy.

There was no formal process for anyone, anywhere in the world to immigrate anywhere.
It's a terrible comparison.

Undermines the arguments in favor of Hispanics.
 

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Your talking about a totally different time where conquest was the norm where every nation was doing it, if you couldn't defend your lands they were taken from you, and don't think just because you live in the twenty first century it cannot happen again, it can and will, survival of the fittest will always win its human nature.
 

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Troll thread #5.
 

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Your talking about a totally different time where conquest was the norm where every nation was doing it, if you couldn't defend your lands they were taken from you, and don't think just because you live in the twenty first century it cannot happen again, it can and will, survival of the fittest will always win its human nature.

Conquest may have been the norm, but genocide sure as hell wasn't
 

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Your talking about a totally different time where conquest was the norm where every nation was doing it, if you couldn't defend your lands they were taken from you, and don't think just because you live in the twenty first century it cannot happen again, it can and will, survival of the fittest will always win its human nature.

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2006/nov/17/travelnews

The concept of customs, passports, and paperwork to immigrate has been around since ancient times.
 

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The gop loves to harp about deporting "undocumented" "illegal aliens"

However, they completely ignore the fact that their ancestors, the Pilgrims and other white settlers, were also undocumented immigrants who had no visas or legal rights to settle in the New World

In fact, while modern undocumented aliens are often very hard workers and upstanding, law abiding citizens, the early white settlers did nothing but steal land which rightfully belonged to the Natives by force, and committed one of the worst genocides in history in the process.

I find the right wing view of "securing our borders" as pure and unbridled hypocrisy.

Absolutely brilliant post! What a fresh, startlingly original take on the subject! How is it that nobody ever thought ..., ah, hell with it.
 

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There were no laws against immigration when our ancestors got here. It was not illegal for them to come. Today there are. Anyone with half a clue could figure that out.

Socialism rots your brain, apparently.
 

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There is a big difference you seem unable to comprehend. My ancestors did not break the law. They respected the law and were proud when they finally gained their citizen ship. They loved this country and would never disrespect the flag or the people of this country. You either respect our laws and are a law abiding person or you are a lawless alien that needs to be removed. I think people who break our laws and have no respect for our immigration laws have no business in this country. There are millions of law abiding people all over the world waiting patiently to enter this country. Law abiding people immigrating to this country is what makes this country great. Law less people that circumvent our immigration laws, disrespect our flag or the people of this country are a cancer and need to be punished and removed immediately.
 

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There were no laws against immigration when our ancestors got here. It was not illegal for them to come. Today there are. Anyone with half a clue could figure that out.

Socialism rots your brain, apparently.

If you're immigrating into someone else's homeland and they try to keep you out, try to drive you out, does that count as a law against immigration?
Conservatism calcifies your brain, apparently.
 

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Conquest may have been the norm, but genocide sure as hell wasn't

how many millions did MAO kill?

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What is the purpose of making new immigration laws if the left will reward people who circumvent and break the law.

If every time your dog pees on the carpet you give him a treat don't expect him to stop.:doh:lamo
 

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Its racist, but its not hypocritical at all, the original european settlers committed genocide in order to rid america of brown people and conquer america in the name of White Jesus, and republicans today want stricter immigration policies for the exact same reason, therefore their motives are the same and there is no hypocrisy
 

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People like to paint the Natives as these peaceful people growing corn. They were like any other human civilization. They killed each other, invaded, took land, etc. There wasn't a formal "country" for pilgrims and others to come to, and the English and later American forces overpowered the Natives and claimed the land the old fashioned way. Ethically speaking that was the standard back then. You can't compare illegal immigration where there is a solid foundational government with laws and police power to enforce those laws to native tribes at war with each other and being invaded by a stronger, foreign power.
 

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People like to paint the Natives as these peaceful people growing corn. They were like any other human civilization. They killed each other, invaded, took land, etc. There wasn't a formal "country" for pilgrims and others to come to, and the English and later American forces overpowered the Natives and claimed the land the old fashioned way. Ethically speaking that was the standard back then. You can't compare illegal immigration where there is a solid foundational government with laws and police power to enforce those laws to native tribes at war with each other and being invaded by a stronger, foreign power.

No, you can't. Illegal immigration is a nuisance, an inconvenience. The Indian Wars, on the other hand...
 

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no millions of Chinese, since he is referring to killing.

Ah.
How many did Ted Bundy kill? Has about as much to do with the topic.
 

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If you're immigrating into someone else's homeland and they try to keep you out, try to drive you out, does that count as a law against immigration?
Conservatism calcifies your brain, apparently.

Nobody tied to keep my ancestors out or drive them out. In fact the exact opposite occurred. They were lured here by the promise of good jobs and the chance to be free. They unfortunately ended up as slave labor working in the coal mines.

Most of the immigrants to this country were lured here by the rich and powerful to work for substandard wages in order to make the rich richer. Nothing much has changed. Except they are now being brought here to force wages down and to continue to provide cheap labor for the rich and powerful. This is clearly evident in the loss of the middle class and the increase in the number of poor people who are dependent on government to survive. Instead of the coal barons providing housing and food stamps to maintain their cheap labor supply it is our government doing it for them.
 

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Nobody tied to keep my ancestors out or drive them out. In fact the exact opposite occurred. They were lured here by the promise of good jobs and the chance to be free. They unfortunately ended up as slave labor working in the coal mines.

Most of the immigrants to this country were lured here by the rich and powerful to work for substandard wages in order to make the rich richer. Nothing much has changed. Except they are now being brought here to force wages down and to continue to provide cheap labor for the rich and powerful. This is clearly evident in the loss of the middle class and the increase in the number of poor people who are dependent on government to survive. Instead of the coal barons providing housing and food stamps to maintain their cheap labor supply it is our government doing it for them.

Can't argue with anything here.
 

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Nobody tied to keep my ancestors out or drive them out. In fact the exact opposite occurred. They were lured here by the promise of good jobs and the chance to be free. They unfortunately ended up as slave labor working in the coal mines.

Most of the immigrants to this country were lured here by the rich and powerful to work for substandard wages in order to make the rich richer. Nothing much has changed. Except they are now being brought here to force wages down and to continue to provide cheap labor for the rich and powerful. This is clearly evident in the loss of the middle class and the increase in the number of poor people who are dependent on government to survive. Instead of the coal barons providing housing and food stamps to maintain their cheap labor supply it is our government doing it for them.

if illegal immigration is such a problem then just let everyone be citizens.... problem solved
 

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you missed the point, how can someone make a case of genocide, but then post as his avatar a man who killed millions.

so you missed it.

Avatar? You're arguing with his avatar?
No, listen. Just read the words. Discuss what's said.
Yeesh. Avatar?
 

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The gop loves to harp about deporting "undocumented" "illegal aliens"

However, they completely ignore the fact that their ancestors, the Pilgrims and other white settlers, were also undocumented immigrants who had no visas or legal rights to settle in the New World

In fact, while modern undocumented aliens are often very hard workers and upstanding, law abiding citizens, the early white settlers did nothing but steal land which rightfully belonged to the Natives by force, and committed one of the worst genocides in history in the process.

I find the right wing view of "securing our borders" as pure and unbridled hypocrisy.
There was no immigration process into the new world.There was no official country,just a bunch of warring tribes. Most of the deaths of native Americans was due to diseases that the settlers carried and were immune to. Going to another part of the world,conquering it and resettling it was the norm, which is something the native American regularly practiced. Seeing you have one of the worst mass murderers in history as your avatar, I don't think you have any business complaining about genocide. You might as well have ted Bundy or Adolph Hitler as your avatar seeing you seem to admire mass murdering pieces of ****.


Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years' | News | Culture | The Independent
The Legacy of Mao Zedong is Mass Murder
https://mises.org/library/death-camp-communist-china
 
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