Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernaut?

[Visbek]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernaut?

"Beginning?"

lol

He's on the defensive on several issues. His bombastic rhetoric isn't being as wildly received, or ignored, as it had been. What should be allies are now actively distancing themselves from him. His level of interest is waning, he can't even be bothered to make campaign revenue calls, and he's not willing to put up any more of his own money.

Desperate Republicans will blame his missteps on Lewandowski... until Trump opens his mouth again.

I give it 4 days, tops.

 

[Howler63]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

I would have predicted implosion months ago, but he's soldiered on despite his own stupidity. I'll take a wait and see attitude.

 

[sangha]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Yep. Trump's numbers have tanked.

Yes, but his #'s don't even have to tank in order for him to not win the election. In order to win, he needs to improve his #'s dramatically (it takes a lot more votes to win the general election than it does to win a bunch of primaries) and that's not going to happen

 

[sangha]

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I don't see him winning, either, but are you saying that he's going to carry the torch with enthusiasm all the way to the end?

Yes, he's going to be on the ballot on Election Day.

And he will lose (see AG's post #10 for a good reason why)

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

I sincerely hope that Trump's campaign survives just long enough to make his nomination official next month. Then I hope his campaign absolutely falls apart.

There exists a scourge in the Republican party, and only by hitting rock bottom will they have a chance to purge it.

If it sounds like I am suggesting that Trump may have been the best thing to happen to the Republican party in decades--yes. I absolutely am. The question is whether the Republican base will capitalize on this opportunity to look themselves in the mirror and see who they really are. But I am not counting on them to do that. For the time being, I think that the only way to stop enabling Republicans is to make absolutely sure that as few as possible of them are elected, even if that risks the party ceasing to exist soon.

You may be right, Phys. Donald Trump may be the best thing to happen to the Republican Party. I despise American conservatism...but we do need a very strong "loyal opposition" to keep the excesses of the liberals in check.

I want the Republican Party to be that loyal opposition. They did a journeyman's job of it when that was what they did.

Now that they want to lead and govern...after their saint, Ronald Reagan, convinced so many that "government is the problem." The notion of them governing is absurd; they are in WAY OVER THEIR HEADS.

They need to be knocked down...and hard.

I hope Trump holds out until after the nomination process puts him at the top of the ticket...and then have the ladder knocked out from under him.

(For the record, I am not at all sure he will be the nominee. I think the GOP elders will finally come to their senses...and replace him with another major loser, Ted Cruz. Remember him?)

 

[radcen]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

I don't see him winning, either, but are you saying that he's going to carry the torch with enthusiasm all the way to the end?

Yes, he's going to be on the ballot on Election Day.

And he will lose (see AG's post #10 for a good reason why)

That wasn't my question.

 

[mak2]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Cruz is the worst of the rest, so I am sure that is next up. I have been afraid to say that out loud. I think Christie was the least crazy and probably be the best president of the potentials at the beginning.

You may be right, Phys. Donald Trump may be the best thing to happen to the Republican Party. I despise American conservatism...but we do need a very strong "loyal opposition" to keep the excesses of the liberals in check.

I want the Republican Party to be that loyal opposition. They did a journeyman's job of it when that was what they did.

Now that they want to lead and govern...after their saint, Ronald Reagan, convinced so many that "government is the problem." The notion of them governing is absurd; they are in WAY OVER THEIR HEADS.

They need to be knocked down...and hard.

I hope Trump holds out until after the nomination process puts him at the top of the ticket...and then have the ladder knocked out from under him.

(For the record, I am not at all sure he will be the nominee. I think the GOP elders will finally come to their senses...and replace him with another major loser, Ted Cruz. Remember him?)

 

[sangha]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

That wasn't my question.

Trump doesn't do things halfway

After he loses, he might come out and say he didn't really want the job, or some other BS.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernaut?

Right now. Today. Be wild and crazy and make a guess.

He's on the defensive on several issues. His bombastic rhetoric isn't being as wildly received, or ignored, as it had been. What should be allies are now actively distancing themselves from him. His level of interest is waning, he can't even be bothered to make campaign revenue calls, and he's not willing to put up any more of his own money.

I say no. Clinton would have to **** up really hard in order to lose.
I think I would laugh my ass off if Trump actually won.Which if that happened I would call a priest to see if hell froze over,scourer the internet to see if unicorns came out of Obama's ass and check with Sanders supporters to see if Sanders renounced socialism and became a capitalist.

 

[manise]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Trump is probably finished, but Hillary shouldn't measure the White House drapes just yet. The most recent polls I've seen for Ohio and Pennsylvania are too close to call even after Trump's worst comments recently. Florida does seem to have moved toward Hillary in the past 2 weeks, but it's still too close for comfort. For those reasons, Hillary and her surrogates will carpetbomb Trump until November without let up. Unlike Trump's vanquished Republican opponents, Hillary won't take anything for granted or delay any attack. Trump has a real opponent for the first time this election cycle.

 

[justabubba]

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"Look towards the Republican Party in America and shudder. 'Make America Great Again!' cries a man who is fascist in all but name. His stubby fingers are currently within horrifyingly close reach of America's nuclear codes. He achieved this pre-eminence by proposing crude, unworkable solutions to complex threats. Terrorism? 'Ban all Muslims!' Immigration? 'Build a wall!' He has the temperament of an unstable nightclub bouncer, jeers at violence when it breaks out at his rallies and wears his disdain for women and minorities with pride. God help America. God help us all."

jk rowling is hopeful this may be the beginning of the end

 

[ksu_aviator]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernaut?

Right now. Today. Be wild and crazy and make a guess.

He's on the defensive on several issues. His bombastic rhetoric isn't being as wildly received, or ignored, as it had been. What should be allies are now actively distancing themselves from him. His level of interest is waning, he can't even be bothered to make campaign revenue calls, and he's not willing to put up any more of his own money.

On some level this election is a win win. Either we keep Clinton out of office and start rebuilding what Obama has torn down or we get Hillary and she continues the economic and social destruction to the point that we lose our ability to borrow money and we begin the rebuilding process. Sooner or later, the process of reversing liberal policies will take place. The sooner we do it, the less painful it will be. But it will have to happen.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Actually, most of us in the Republican base didn't vote for him. It was the idiots who did vote for him who are as you described. I'm neither a xenophobe nor a bigot. That's why I wouldn't vote for Trump for anything.

I agree that some of yall didn't vote for him. However the sane candidates got very few votes compared to Trump and Cruz. Right now Trump is polling very well with the GOP base. In fact, that's about all the support he has. Moreover, I would point out that his extreme proposals like banning all Muslim immigration enjoyed strong support in the GOP base with 71% supporting the ban.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernaut?

Right now. Today. Be wild and crazy and make a guess.

He's on the defensive on several issues. His bombastic rhetoric isn't being as wildly received, or ignored, as it had been. What should be allies are now actively distancing themselves from him. His level of interest is waning, he can't even be bothered to make campaign revenue calls, and he's not willing to put up any more of his own money.

There is no doubt his campaign has become unraveled, but it is far, far too early to say whether it's the beginning the end.

Firing your campaign manager at this stage, which is also the first sign of trouble, this is NOT going to aid him in any way. But the vote is still over four months away and based on the history of the American voter they will have forgotten all this. It does though make him look impulsive and unstable, and not the kind of guy whose buck stops on his own desk.

The telling fact will be who takes over and whether there is anyone with both the mojo to pull off the win AND get Donald to listen to advice. I am betting he will self destruct, but not now.

He has to accept though, that the free media ride is over. His current rap is already old

 

[sangha]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

There is no doubt his campaign has become unraveled

His campaign was never raveled to begin with.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Derp.

Thank you for the well thought out response...

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

I agree that some of yall didn't vote for him. However the sane candidates got very few votes compared to Trump and Cruz. Right now Trump is polling very well with the GOP base. In fact, that's about all the support he has. Moreover, I would point out that his extreme proposals like banning all Muslim immigration enjoyed strong support in the GOP base with 71% supporting the ban.

I find it deliciously amusing that so many of these people who claim Trump is some off the wall lunatic look at Cruz and think he'd make a good president.

They're clearly both crazy.

 

[Aberration]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

So Trump is crazy. Cruz is crazy. Hillary is crazy. Bernie is crazy. You do realize that kind of rhetoric is exactly why Trump is winning?

 

[mak2]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Hillary and Bernie aren't crazy, one is crooked and the other too socialist.

So Trump is crazy. Cruz is crazy. Hillary is crazy. Bernie is crazy. You do realize that kind of rhetoric is exactly why Trump is winning?

 

[natsb]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

This too will pass.

Like I predicted a long time ago... When President Trump is being sworn in, there will be sooooo many people curled up in a fetal position muttering; "but... but... but... this couldn't happen"

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

I agree that some of yall didn't vote for him. However the sane candidates got very few votes compared to Trump and Cruz. Right now Trump is polling very well with the GOP base. In fact, that's about all the support he has. Moreover, I would point out that his extreme proposals like banning all Muslim immigration enjoyed strong support in the GOP base with 71% supporting the ban.

Actually, most of us didn't vote for him.

I haven't seen any polls of Republicans lately on the Muslim ban. Do you have any links I can look at? I remember some polls a few months back that showed that over half of Americans supported the ban, including something like 6 out of 10 independents.

I don't know how many votes all other candidates got versus Trump's in total, but I do know in New Hampshire most of us didn't vote for him by a pretty wide margin. Our votes were split up between people like Rubio, Kasich, etc.

 

[Aberration]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Hillary and Bernie aren't crazy, one is crooked and the other too socialist.

There are many people, even Democrats, who think either is crazy. My point wasn't who I thought was crazy, its that they are all considered crazy by a lot of people. I don't see why the opinions of Trump being crazy, or Cruz being crazy, are any more valid than the opinions that think Hillary and Bernie are crazy. And simply calling each other crazy doesn't actually solve anything and its why politics is circling the toilet bowl.

 

[polgara]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

This too will pass.

Like I predicted a long time ago... When President Trump is being sworn in, there will be sooooo many people curled up in a fetal position muttering; "but... but... but... this couldn't happen"

Greetings, natsb. :2wave:

I wonder..... :shock:

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

Actually, most of us didn't vote for him.

I haven't seen any polls of Republicans lately on the Muslim ban. Do you have any links I can look at? I remember some polls a few months back that showed that over half of Americans supported the ban, including something like 6 out of 10 independents.

I don't know how many votes all other candidates got versus Trump's in total, but I do know in New Hampshire most of us didn't vote for him by a pretty wide margin. Our votes were split up between people like Rubio, Kasich, etc.

GOP Voters Still Support Trump’s Muslim Ban - Rasmussen Reports™
Poll: Half of American voters back Trump's Muslim ban | TheHill

I would also point out that New Hampshire is about as representative of the Republican base as Oklahoma is of the Democratic base. He got more votes than any other Republican ever has in the primaries. The problem is the base. They picked the guy.

Think about it this way. If Bernie Sanders won the Democratic nomination by a solid margin and the Democrats as a result went on to a huge defeat in November (as they would with Bernie as their candidate running against anyone other than Trump). I don't think it would be controversial to say that the Democratic base had moved way to far to the left for the party to be competitive in a presidential election and thus the problem is that the base needs to support more moderate candidates with broader appeal.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the implosion of the Trump political juggernau

I find it deliciously amusing that so many of these people who claim Trump is some off the wall lunatic look at Cruz and think he'd make a good president.

They're clearly both crazy.

Cruz would have probably gone on to lose even worse than Trump. However, Kasich would have probably easily won against Hillary.