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Yeah! What he said.When mom is driving a 4cyl Honda/Toyota etc to the supermarket and on the school run instead of an F250 etc, gas prices will be starting to be effective. Historically cheap gas has lead to a lot of unnecessary waste becoming part of the culture. If you could change that without increasing gas prices it would be great, but the reality is that only enough pain in the hip pocket will get people to change wasteful habits.
Not long ago, the Left in the US - pretty much any socialist or socialist adjacent, along with a hefty portion of the Democrat Party - were telling us that we were not paying enough in gas prices, when compared to the enlightened European countries, and when examined in relation to the "true social cost of transportation."
It makes much more sense to me for us to be paying the full price - the REAL price - for gasoline consumption, and all fossil fuels as well. In the end, we pay much more in the hidden costs, and by paying the real cost, we are less inclined to piss it away recreationally, and in choosing inefficient transportation methods. If people are buying and driving vehicles that get 15-20 mpg, they shouldn't bitch about gas prices. If they had instead chosen vehicles that get 30-40 mpg, they would be paying half as much at the pumps - literally half as much.Not long ago, the Left in the US - pretty much any socialist or socialist adjacent, along with a hefty portion of the Democrat Party - were telling us that we were not paying enough in gas prices, when compared to the enlightened European countries, and when examined in relation to the "true social cost of transportation."
For example, in January 2015, the average price of regular unleaded gasoline in the US was about $2.50 a gallon at the time. It was argued that this did not represent the true cost of transportation, and that we should have a giant gas tax to increase the price, so that the price we paid for gasoline reflected the true social cost of driving. And that would result in a $4.36 cents gas tax, which would result in Americans paying over $7.00 a gallon. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-americans-don-t-pay-the-true-cost-of-driving
This was a common theme for years, including among the green energy crowd and Democrats in general. We weren't paying too much for gasoline. We were paying too little, and the price should at least double. I'm sure we all remember that.
Democrats have also taken steps to reduce oil production - https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-for-higher-gas-prices-11647042264
Democrats supported higher gas taxes: https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/signs-times/democrats-should-support-increasing-gas-tax
Remember when the Left cheered rising gas prices as "good for the environment?" You won't hear it from Democrats on Capitol Hill, but higher gas prices are a good thing for the environment. Expensive gas should slow the use of cars, and the pollution they emit. But politically savvy environmentalists aren't calling for taxes that would raise the price still further. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5378487
Some Democrats wanted us to pay more for gas to slow the climate crisis: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/gas-price-climate-change.html - Is that still a good proposal?
Energy prices around the world are too low—far too low. https://www.wri.org/insights/price-...ossil-fuel-prices-reflect-environmental-costs Birdsall highlighted the current U.S. tax on gasoline, which has been at 18 cents since 1993. “Correcting” this tax to account for gasoline’s environmental impact would raise it to about $1.60 -- had that been done in January, 2021, that would have raised the price of a gallon of gas to about $4.00 a gallon, give or take - about what it is now. So, this is what the Left wanted. They like this.
Well, the prices have nearly doubled in the past year and 3 months. Is that a good thing or a bad thing, and why?
Point proved.When mom is driving a 4cyl Honda/Toyota etc to the supermarket and on the school run instead of an F250 etc, gas prices will be starting to be effective. Historically cheap gas has lead to a lot of unnecessary waste becoming part of the culture. If you could change that without increasing gas prices it would be great, but the reality is that only enough pain in the hip pocket will get people to change wasteful habits.
How so? Link?Well don't forget we also subsidize gas.
You agree, then. Higher prices are needed. How high do you suggest? Are we there, yet?It makes much more sense to me for us to be paying the full price - the REAL price - for gasoline consumption, and all fossil fuels as well. In the end, we pay much more in the hidden costs, and by paying the real cost, we are less inclined to piss it away recreationally, and in choosing inefficient transportation methods. If people are buying and driving vehicles that get 15-20 mpg, they shouldn't bitch about gas prices. If they had instead chosen vehicles that get 30-40 mpg, they would be paying half as much at the pumps - literally half as much.
Good for you - but certainly this post is partisan - and that's why it was created in the section expressly dedicated to partisan politics. It's not bullshit, though, and it's not a false narrative. Folks responding are proving the point - the left does want higher gasoline prices, for what they believe is a benevolent purpose.I stopped reading right there because the rest of the post is guaranteed to be nonsensical partisan bullshit based on false narratives just like any posts that start out "the left" the right" them democrats" the republicans" etc etc etc LOL
jeeez we need to be better than this
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It's not bullshit, though, and it's not a false narrative.
How so? Are you saying the left doesn't want higher gas prices? LOL.facts prove it is
it has nothing to do with what "I'm" saying its based on facts and realityHow so? Are you saying the left doesn't want higher gas prices? LOL.
How so? Link?
Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
Yes, but we are already paying for those subsidies in taxes aren't we, so...And you'd want any such subsidies, if they existed, removed right? So we'd pay more for gasoline, yes?
Dumb dumb Dumb dumbNot long ago, the Left in the US - pretty much any socialist or socialist adjacent, along with a hefty portion of the Democrat Party - were telling us that we were not paying enough in gas prices, when compared to the enlightened European countries, and when examined in relation to the "true social cost of transportation."
For example, in January 2015, the average price of regular unleaded gasoline in the US was about $2.50 a gallon at the time. It was argued that this did not represent the true cost of transportation, and that we should have a giant gas tax to increase the price, so that the price we paid for gasoline reflected the true social cost of driving. And that would result in a $4.36 cents gas tax, which would result in Americans paying over $7.00 a gallon. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-americans-don-t-pay-the-true-cost-of-driving
This was a common theme for years, including among the green energy crowd and Democrats in general. We weren't paying too much for gasoline. We were paying too little, and the price should at least double. I'm sure we all remember that.
Democrats have also taken steps to reduce oil production - https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-for-higher-gas-prices-11647042264
Democrats supported higher gas taxes: https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/signs-times/democrats-should-support-increasing-gas-tax
Remember when the Left cheered rising gas prices as "good for the environment?" You won't hear it from Democrats on Capitol Hill, but higher gas prices are a good thing for the environment. Expensive gas should slow the use of cars, and the pollution they emit. But politically savvy environmentalists aren't calling for taxes that would raise the price still further. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5378487
Some Democrats wanted us to pay more for gas to slow the climate crisis: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/gas-price-climate-change.html - Is that still a good proposal?
Energy prices around the world are too low—far too low. https://www.wri.org/insights/price-...ossil-fuel-prices-reflect-environmental-costs Birdsall highlighted the current U.S. tax on gasoline, which has been at 18 cents since 1993. “Correcting” this tax to account for gasoline’s environmental impact would raise it to about $1.60 -- had that been done in January, 2021, that would have raised the price of a gallon of gas to about $4.00 a gallon, give or take - about what it is now. So, this is what the Left wanted. They like this.
Well, the prices have nearly doubled in the past year and 3 months. Is that a good thing or a bad thing, and why?
I don’t really care how much gasoline costs ever since I stopped needing it. It’s a nice feeling. I do stop by gas stations for the mini marts every now and then, I do love me a Diet Coke.Not long ago, the Left in the US - pretty much any socialist or socialist adjacent, along with a hefty portion of the Democrat Party - were telling us that we were not paying enough in gas prices, when compared to the enlightened European countries, and when examined in relation to the "true social cost of transportation."
For example, in January 2015, the average price of regular unleaded gasoline in the US was about $2.50 a gallon at the time. It was argued that this did not represent the true cost of transportation, and that we should have a giant gas tax to increase the price, so that the price we paid for gasoline reflected the true social cost of driving. And that would result in a $4.36 cents gas tax, which would result in Americans paying over $7.00 a gallon. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-americans-don-t-pay-the-true-cost-of-driving
This was a common theme for years, including among the green energy crowd and Democrats in general. We weren't paying too much for gasoline. We were paying too little, and the price should at least double. I'm sure we all remember that.
Democrats have also taken steps to reduce oil production - https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-for-higher-gas-prices-11647042264
Democrats supported higher gas taxes: https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/signs-times/democrats-should-support-increasing-gas-tax
Remember when the Left cheered rising gas prices as "good for the environment?" You won't hear it from Democrats on Capitol Hill, but higher gas prices are a good thing for the environment. Expensive gas should slow the use of cars, and the pollution they emit. But politically savvy environmentalists aren't calling for taxes that would raise the price still further. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5378487
Some Democrats wanted us to pay more for gas to slow the climate crisis: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/gas-price-climate-change.html - Is that still a good proposal?
Energy prices around the world are too low—far too low. https://www.wri.org/insights/price-...ossil-fuel-prices-reflect-environmental-costs Birdsall highlighted the current U.S. tax on gasoline, which has been at 18 cents since 1993. “Correcting” this tax to account for gasoline’s environmental impact would raise it to about $1.60 -- had that been done in January, 2021, that would have raised the price of a gallon of gas to about $4.00 a gallon, give or take - about what it is now. So, this is what the Left wanted. They like this.
Well, the prices have nearly doubled in the past year and 3 months. Is that a good thing or a bad thing, and why?
Not long ago, the Left in the US - pretty much any socialist or socialist adjacent, along with a hefty portion of the Democrat Party - were telling us that we were not paying enough in gas prices, when compared to the enlightened European countries, and when examined in relation to the "true social cost of transportation."
For example, in January 2015, the average price of regular unleaded gasoline in the US was about $2.50 a gallon at the time. It was argued that this did not represent the true cost of transportation, and that we should have a giant gas tax to increase the price, so that the price we paid for gasoline reflected the true social cost of driving. And that would result in a $4.36 cents gas tax, which would result in Americans paying over $7.00 a gallon. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-americans-don-t-pay-the-true-cost-of-driving
This was a common theme for years, including among the green energy crowd and Democrats in general. We weren't paying too much for gasoline. We were paying too little, and the price should at least double. I'm sure we all remember that.
Democrats have also taken steps to reduce oil production - https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-for-higher-gas-prices-11647042264
Democrats supported higher gas taxes: https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/signs-times/democrats-should-support-increasing-gas-tax
Remember when the Left cheered rising gas prices as "good for the environment?" You won't hear it from Democrats on Capitol Hill, but higher gas prices are a good thing for the environment. Expensive gas should slow the use of cars, and the pollution they emit. But politically savvy environmentalists aren't calling for taxes that would raise the price still further. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5378487
Some Democrats wanted us to pay more for gas to slow the climate crisis: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/gas-price-climate-change.html - Is that still a good proposal?
Energy prices around the world are too low—far too low. https://www.wri.org/insights/price-...ossil-fuel-prices-reflect-environmental-costs Birdsall highlighted the current U.S. tax on gasoline, which has been at 18 cents since 1993. “Correcting” this tax to account for gasoline’s environmental impact would raise it to about $1.60 -- had that been done in January, 2021, that would have raised the price of a gallon of gas to about $4.00 a gallon, give or take - about what it is now. So, this is what the Left wanted. They like this.
Well, the prices have nearly doubled in the past year and 3 months. Is that a good thing or a bad thing, and why?
Why? What would you have the National Oil Company monopoly do?Another industry that should be nationalized IMO.
Good for you. It's good for consumers to vote with their feet and their wallets.I don’t really care how much gasoline costs ever since I stopped needing it. It’s a nice feeling. I do stop by gas stations for the mini marts every now and then, I do love me a Diet Coke.
Why? What would you have the National Oil Company monopoly do?
I don’t really care how much gasoline costs ever since I stopped needing it. It’s a nice feeling. I do stop by gas stations for the mini marts every now and then, I do love me a Diet Coke.
Just as a sidenote.
Try driving an F-150 in the UK and see how popular you become after a week.
I honestly don't think I've ever seen one here and I'm 45.
That doesn't generally result in lower prices and better service.Produce the petroleum products as they do, and then through tight regulation have the products available to Americans at a non-profit type price, or a small profit, like we do for most utilities. The taxpayer is already subsidizing these monolithic shit-bombs.
Prolly should go ahead and do the Corporate Run for-profit medical industry as well.
I'd support it.
That doesn't generally result in lower prices and better service.
The taxpayers are not "subsidizing" oil companies. That's a myth.
There seems to be some notion out there that a government monopoly running entire industries results in lower overhead and lower prices. There is absolutely no evidence for this in real life. The real life experience of nationalized industries is perhaps short term success to a point, and then collapse. Nationalization produces adverse effects, such as reducing competition in the marketplace, which reduces incentives to innovation and maintains high prices. Nationalization results in high prices, and there is no incentive to cut costs, as there is only one seller - just raise prices and go home at 5pm. In the short run, nationalization can provide a larger revenue stream for government, but can cause the industry to falter in the longer run. History has taught us that nationalised industries are costly and inefficient while also placing a “massive burden on taxpayers as they equire a huge amount of state support and typically provide terrible services. Not only do government-owned businesses distort markets, but the money tied up in government-owned businesses would be far more useful in the hands of the taxpayers to whom it actually belongs,
Governments are motivated by political pressures rather than sound economic and business sense. An example of this would be a government hiring too many workers for publicly owned firms, boosting employment but increasing the cost to the taxpayer and lowering efficiency. The vaunted Nordic countries, for example, have been privatizing for decades, not nationalizing.
Things are worse under nationalized industries.
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