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Are there more uneducated voters on the left or on the right?

Are there more uneducated voters on the left or on the right?


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Just curious. The left claim that the uneducated people voted Trump into office. I say there are more uneducated on the left than there are on the right.

I tend to agree with you...the majority of minority are less educated overall and that minority block seems to favor democrats.
 

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Re: Socialism’s Rising Popularity

Let's agree that a large minority of Americans prefer socialism to capitalism, that Bernie Sanders is the most popular American politician,

https://morningconsult.com/2018/01/23/senator-rankings-jan-2018/

and let it go at that.


Let's agree that a large minority of Americans prefer socialism to capitalism
That is a statement with which I have no trouble agreeing. Based on the information you provided, it's factually and contextually accurate.

Let's agree that...Bernie Sanders is the most popular American politician,

Based on the reference info you provided, I cannot agree to that statement. Why? Because the article cites that Sanders is the most popular U.S. Senator and there are thousands of other American politicians who are not represented in the article's content.

I don't know why, but in distilling information, folks will see a very simple fact and try to make that fact be something more than it is. In the case of your remark about Sanders, it'd even have taken less typing to accurately represent what the cited article reports. "US Senator" is fewer letters to type than is "American politician."

As I noted before and remarked in the line of discussion that began with this comment...
The particular poster I called out continues to make wildass statements that he can support.
...and that ended with my response to this one....
I do agree. Well done!

However, I do not like lazy posters that state impressions as fact and can not support them. Especially when those impressions are simply off the wall and thus somewhat offensive, as was the case with the poster I challenged. I am not a lazy poster (if you read my posts you would see they are generally well supported), but I don't always want to do the work to disprove the positions (though I often do) that I know they can not defend. I want them to up their game to defend themselves and learn in the process.

They, or I, might learn something if they can produce some type of evidence to defend their statements.
...wherein I stated:
I think it's okay to be "lazy poster," provided one limits the nature and extent of one's remarks to assertions that need not be supported.

Failing to do that is part of, indeed a major part of, the objections I have to Donald Trump being POTUS. The man simply hasn't the basic integrity or perspicacity (either one will do) to simply keep mum rather than make remarks that cannot withstand rigorous scrutiny.

...and you actually liked that post, and then proceeded to do exactly what I railed against.


In short, there's a reason for the Tooby and Cosmides quote in signature space. It actually takes work to "jettison the epistemological standards of science." Often enough, it takes more work than does simply not "overworking" the facts at one's disposal. It's far easier to simply present a fact and let it stand for itself. Here's yet another simple example.:
  • Easy non-jettisoning of facts:
    • "Hundreds of thousands of people watched the 2017 Presidential inauguration." --> That statement veracity would not be objected to by anyone. The statement does not go beyond, "overwork" the extant facts.
    • "Including in-person attendees, web and TV viewers, millions watched the 2017 Presidential inauguration." --> There's nothing to object to in that statement; nothing about it strains credulity even though we don't know how many people watched via the web or TV.
  • More arduous jettisoning of facts:
There's just not a good reason for asserting more than one can support. Period.
 

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Re: Socialism’s Rising Popularity

There are exceptions during a few elections, but for the most part Democrats dominate the high school dropout
(grade school) demographic,
Of course they do. Democrats, as a group, also tend to be less informed on the issues.
 

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Ummm....what now? Can you name even ONE great tragedy caused by an intellectual? From where I'm sitting it is generally religious indoctrination which is the cause of all the greatest tragedies in human history, and it is higher education critical thinking skills that help you un-brainwash yourself.

Hitler. His cause had nothing to do with religion. It had to do with race. And despite how horrible of a person he was he was actually quite intelligent. After all, you don't end up being one of the worlds worst killers in history by being dumb.

And then there's Pol Pot. An atheist. Someone who banned all religions. He killed how many again? ...yeah...not someone that is dumb by any means. Horrible yes, dumb, no.

There's two for ya.
 

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Hitler. His cause had nothing to do with religion. It had to do with race. And despite how horrible of a person he was he was actually quite intelligent. After all, you don't end up being one of the worlds worst killers in history by being dumb.

And then there's Pol Pot. An atheist. Someone who banned all religions. He killed how many again? ...yeah...not someone that is dumb by any means. Horrible yes, dumb, no.

There's two for ya.

Hitler wasn't much of an intellectual, but plenty of German intellectuals gave credence to the Nazi regime or its philosophies.

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Ummm....what now? Can you name even ONE great tragedy caused by an intellectual?

Late 19th through mid-20th century eugenics. It first started as an intellectual and scientific exercise and then spilled into the middle class professions and social reformers.

It filtered into American religion, but more often than not, that was because American sects felt the urge to become more modern and blend the scientific fads within their theology. No sect was particularly immune, but Catholics were generally *less* susceptible than the others.

I will gladly produce a reading list if you'd like.

Don't worry, I will give you only the good ones.

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Sorry, but no. The guy went to jail for kidnappings and burglaries, and as you mentioned fighting other students. He was angry and violent not an intellectual.

By the way, George W. Bush has been doing a lot of painting since he left office. His grades in school were also just fine. Nobody in their right mind would call him an intellectual. An intellectual is someone who by definition someone who uses their intellect to solve problems and sway people to their ideas. The usage of pre-emptive physical violence against enemies pretty much instantly rejects you for such a title.

Unless of course that intellectualism brings about the conclusion that the only way to solve X problem is to cause violence. An intellectual likes to use their brain, but when necessary will use brawn if there is no other recourse that they can see.
 

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Just curious. The left claim that the uneducated people voted Trump into office. I say there are more uneducated on the left than there are on the right.

Like, college educated, or people who graduated from the Academy of Hard Knocks?
 

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Like, college educated, or people who graduated from the Academy of Hard Knocks?

One thing I will say for that is that there are many Republican voters who graduated from the Academy of Hard Knocks, whereas takers never graduated anything, they just sit there and take and Democrats shamelessly pander for their votes as much as possible.
 

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Sorry, but no. The guy went to jail for kidnappings and burglaries, and as you mentioned fighting other students. He was angry and violent not an intellectual.

By the way, George W. Bush has been doing a lot of painting since he left office. His grades in school were also just fine. Nobody in their right mind would call him an intellectual. An intellectual is someone who by definition someone who uses their intellect to solve problems and sway people to their ideas. The usage of pre-emptive physical violence against enemies pretty much instantly rejects you for such a title.

Wait, your definition of an intellectual is someone who refrains from violence, regardless of intellect? So Orwell was not an intellectual because he was a policeman and a soldier?
 

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Utter BS! Your politics are guaranteed to bring about serfdom in a country with a former vibrant middle class. Last year, privately held U.S. assets amounted to $94.8 trillion.
What is your actual point, do you even know?


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I would reply but you are all over the map and off the point I was making which you should have easily understood. Enjoy YOUE weekend.

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More "educated" does not mean more intelligent.

Agree....liberals/progressives who go to college to learn Nigerian basket weaving hardly takes a lot of talent or intellect. Not even sure if the education at a liberal college would even qualify a person for a position at McDonalds.
 

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Wait, your definition of an intellectual is someone who refrains from violence, regardless of intellect? So Orwell was not an intellectual because he was a policeman and a soldier?
Then there's Trotsky.

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IMO, this poll needs at least two more options - "they are about equal," and "other" - I really don't know if one or the other really can be classified as more uneducated than the other, honestly.
 
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Consideration must be given to how Independents votes in 2016. Independents played a significant role in the 2016 election. The OP does not seem take Independents into consideration. What was the average level of education of Independents in 2016?

I don't know about the rest of the nation but in Arizona citizens have become more and more fed up with partisan politics. It's ugly. As a result Independents as a voting group have grown much more rapidly than Democrats or Republicans.

That's because the OP-er, like 75 percent of all the other threads on this board lately, considers everyone not on the side of Trump to be "communist/Marxist/socialist/atheist/terrorist".
 

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Just look at the poll results and since it was pure partisan one could just have said Republicans mark "R" and Democrats mark "D".

This is like asking who has the bigger penis, Republicans or Democrats?

Instead of this poll really settling who is the least educated just look who the author is and his swing.
 

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That's because the OP-er, like 75 percent of all the other threads on this board lately, considers everyone not on the side of Trump to be "communist/Marxist/socialist/atheist/terrorist".

Yeah, it is much easier to be a binary partisan than it is to ferret through the news and reported facts and figure **** out for yourself.

"You don't love Trump? That makes you a communist, Marxists/socialist/atheist/terrorist who supports: abortion, disco music, Muslims, weed smoking, climate change, vegetarianism, Sesame Street, welfare (as opposed to corporate welfare), political correctness, peace, reading books, gays and thespians, downtown horses without diapers, learning foreign languages, education, sex for fun, t-shirts with swearwords on them, everything made in China."
 

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Just look at the poll results and since it was pure partisan one could just have said Republicans mark "R" and Democrats mark "D".

This is like asking who has the bigger penis, Republicans or Democrats?

Instead of this poll really settling who is the least educated just look who the author is and his swing.

I'm often thought to lean conservative and I guessed that there is probably a greater share of uneducated Republican voters than the other way around. The GOP and religious right have maligned themselves against education, particularly science as well as public education, and this doesn't bode well for the conservative side of the spectrum keeping up with the left in terms of quantity and quality of education. Quite a lot of the nation's best schools are in solidly "blue" areas of the country, both at the grade school and university level.

Having had more education doesn't necessarily make people correct about things, especially political issues and government taxing and spending ideas. I routinely read and argue against very stupid arguments put forth by left wingers. Things that are half-way intellectual but include pretty basic thinking errors or just unquestioning "beliefs" regarding cause and effect, especially when it comes to business and economics. That doesn't mean they're less educated than Republicans. Usually they're more educated. That just doesn't guarantee correctness, especially on political and economic issues.

But some of the most staunch conservatives that just randomly make up their mind about things without examining any objective evidence, and retreat to relgiously based values for right and wrong, I would tend to only agree with them on complex issues by coincidence.
 

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Yeah, it is much easier to be a binary partisan than it is to ferret through the news and reported facts and figure **** out for yourself.

"You don't love Trump? That makes you a communist, Marxists/socialist/atheist/terrorist who supports: abortion, disco music, Muslims, weed smoking, climate change, vegetarianism, Sesame Street, welfare (as opposed to corporate welfare), political correctness, peace, reading books, gays and thespians, downtown horses without diapers, learning foreign languages, education, sex for fun, t-shirts with swearwords on them, everything made in China."

Gays and thespians, ain't them thar thespians gay too? I alluz thought it wuz homos and thespians, them girlz whut likes others girls, right? Felix Laughing.gif
 

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Yeah, it is much easier to be a binary partisan than it is to ferret through the news and reported facts and figure **** out for yourself.

"You don't love Trump? That makes you a communist, Marxists/socialist/atheist/terrorist who supports: abortion, disco music, Muslims, weed smoking, climate change, vegetarianism, Sesame Street, welfare (as opposed to corporate welfare), political correctness, peace, reading books, gays and thespians, downtown horses without diapers, learning foreign languages, education, sex for fun, t-shirts with swearwords on them, everything made in China."


Indeed.

It is preternaturally and immediately necessary that the police of this nation now begin to interact on this new threat facing the country:

Actors!

Get 'em and cut their hair....they're libruls
 

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I listed several things. And, yes, people do vote because the Republican party believes in God more than the Democratic party does, like it or not. There is a fairly good size section which does not like gay marriage and is against the murder of life. Disagree with it all you want but many people do vote because of religion and God. Have you never even heard of the Evangelical vote? To the best of my knowledge, Evangelicals believe in God and are against gay marriage and abortion and won't vote Democratic because of these.

The Evil-gelicals have destroyed EVERYTHING that was EVER EVER good about Christianity.
I specifically give a PASS to the evangelicals on the Left (like Jimmy Carter, for instance) but Left Evangelicals number fewer than hen's teeth, and therefore hardly even move the needle, but let it be said that when I refer to Evil-gelicals, I am specifically referring to the Christian Right, particularly the Christian Reconstructionists (aka Dominionists) who form what some refer to as the "Christian Taliban".

Lord Jesus, please protect me from your followers!
 

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Agree....liberals/progressives who go to college to learn Nigerian basket weaving hardly takes a lot of talent or intellect. Not even sure if the education at a liberal college would even qualify a person for a position at McDonalds.



I hear this argument used a lot, used it myself at one point, but where are the stats? Where are the numbers that show large numbers of college graduates emerge from college with nothing marketable.

I have done some study here and there are three areas of concern: Women do not like and are not easily accepted in technical arenas, which reduces the candidate pool by half. North American colleges sometimes have to recruit post grads to remain relevant.

The US has not put a focus on high tech or high medicine offering $$$ in the form of grants and loans in high demand areas, especially in health care. Other nations have and are becoming very generous by necessity. Both Canada and the US have sufficient candidacy but too many are too poor.

The third is that two thirds of non science college graduates do not have jobs in their training arena if they completed it at all. It is not clear why as, for example, my neighbor has a high demand degree in child care which is dying for trained help and pays well. She can have less stress and more money as sales assistant for a software company. No one is sure why this is happening.

But the old stereotype general BA driving a cab may be real, but is far from a widespread malady.

In closing, the US is now really cutting off its own feet with high tech post grads because of immigration issues. No one trusts that what is the law today will be the law tomorrow and those with mobility, high paid high tech are exactly that, mobile.

Meanwhile your colleges are training China's future generation of techs
 
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I think there are more liberals who don't have a high school diploma. There are also more liberals who have a doctorate. I suspect the voting block that Republicans have the greatest hold on are people with a high school diploma but no college degree.
 

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I think there are more liberals who don't have a high school diploma. There are also more liberals who have a doctorate. I suspect the voting block that Republicans have the greatest hold on are people with a high school diploma but no college degree.

Interesting thoughts.
 

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Just curious. The left claim that the uneducated people voted Trump into office. I say there are more uneducated on the left than there are on the right.

Definitely the right. How else do you explain Trump getting elected? GWB for that matter.
 
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