so you want them to have free money?
It takes some real guts to finally admit this.
I don't know man. Sometimes I think you guys are right. Maybe human greed makes it such that humans can't handle capitalism. People with money will just use that power to misuse the lower classes.
What a shame.
Humans can handle capitalism. But because men aren't angels, it must have restrictions and regulation, otherwise it naturally becomes predatory. And it's the restriction and regulation that the pro corporate GOP opposes.
I absolutely agree, Im all for democratic socialism, although if the current system must stand, it needs what you've said.
As the saying goes, democratic socialism is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.
What? You want to burden student loan consumers, but you don't want the wealthy to be encumbered? What kind of **** is that? Sounds like just what I said, Republicans are against the middle class and for the wealthy.
What in the hell do you mean paid for with what? Paid for with the same damn money that has been spent towards the Republican rat hole that is Iraq.
Study after study my ass.
The only thing that you have done is posted a bunch of stupid nonsense that demonstrates a profound inability to see what is actually happening. Republicans are screwing the middle class and are merely using them to create more wealth for the rich. If you can't see that you are blind.
Yes it would be nice if they did come up with some plans of their own. Why can't they? Because they have a hostility towards the middle class and want to use them to create more wealth for the wealthy. There isn't a damn thing bad about letting student loan customers refinance their loans. It's bad if you are a Republican that hates the middle class.
As the saying goes, democratic socialism is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.
No, and here's why
1. Republicans are on record for opposing letting student loan consumers refinance their debt
2. Republicans are against Obama's free community college proposal
3. Republicans were against extending unemployment benefits to workers struggling from the effects of the recession
Here, Republicans have said no, no, no to things that would help the middle class.
Now one might wonder with all that negativity what are for. Well here is what they are for
1. Republicans championed letting creditors and big banks garnish wages.
So they have been against things to help the middle class, and all they can be for is garnishing wages by big banks. It is quite a pattern. And it is a pattern that strongly suggests that Republicans are hostile to middle class interests.
That's actually the description of unregulated capitalism.
While I agree that elected, appointed, and hired members of both parties are far more interested in their own prestige, power, influence, and personal wealth than they care about any of us, and pretty much everything they do is in their own self interests, I disagree that the Republicans are hostile to middle class interests. At least they represent the middle class and do try to throw it a bone now and then while the Democrats depend on special interests--minorities, the 'poor', the unions, the protected groups, the activist groups etc.--to keep them in power. And everything the Democrats do, and some of what the Republicans do, to benefit their constituency is another blow to the gut for those in the middle class.
The national debt clock passed 18 trillion in December and continues to grow by hundreds of millions every single day. THAT is the most damning thing happening to the middle class. And the party pushing for more and more spending is not the Republicans.
You're saying unregulated capitalism results in a majority of the population being part of the powerful elite?
When did he state that? Unregulated capitalism results in a tiny group holding almost all of the wealth while the others struggle.
The national debt has been exponentially increasing for decades... :roll: Also, what "bones" are they throwing, and democrats are helping more, whether you want to deny it or not. What do you think republicans want to cut? You think they want to Lower taxes on the middle and lower classes? Help disabled workers?
Wolves represent the powerful, don't they? And in the allegorical scenario (originally constructed as a poke at unlimited democracy) there are more of the powerful wolves than the weak sheep.
I suppose if you wanted to craft an anti-capitalistic metaphor, it would have to involve two wolves voting on how to divide up the millions upon millions of sheep between themselves. You know, if you wanted to take the straw man approach to capitalism, that is.
When did he state that? Unregulated capitalism results in a tiny group holding almost all of the wealth while the others struggle.
I think if the middle class had enough votes to make a difference, we would have a balanced budget, we would be paying down the debt instead of increasing it by hundreds of millions every single day, there wouldn't be 17+ million able bodied Americans out of the labor force, there would be far fewer part time jobs and more good jobs for those who want there, and Americans would be in charge of their own lives again instead of being micromanaged by a huge, bloated, government that doesn't manage things very well while it continues to absorb more and more of the nation's resources.
And again it is the Republicans who mostly represent that middle class. There just aren't enough of the middle class left to overcome the demand for more and more and more from those the Democrats represent.
Capitalism as it stands right now follows what I just stated, and continues to go that way, regulation helps to stem that. I fundamentally disagree with capitalism, but it is not realistic to implement an alternative as of now, so I support regulation.
What would give you that impression?
Voter turnout is poor, if they want to make a difference, they all need to vote, I certainly do. Yes, good luck balancing the budget by gutting almost every social program, we have a debt based country now, it's not going away realistically, and saying middle class voters would someone change all of this is hilarious. 17+ million able bodied Americans out of the work force, where did you get this from? Does it include disability? Teenagers? Ah, private businesses control if jobs are part time or not, not the government, more good jobs? Jobs are there, they just don't pay a livable wage, if you want to get more americans working and stop the minority on social programs from "leeching" maybe paying them a livable wage is a start like it used to be. Republicans don't represent the middle class on what they're doing, maybe voters think they do, but that's their problem.
I follow a Hayek-Mises-Friedman inspired libertarian bent toward economics, but I still believe in regulation.
The type and amount of regulation, however, is what I sometimes have a problem with. The purpose of any proposed regulation should be scrutinized under a microscope, and any sense of "moral purpose" should be kept out that does not directly deal with safety and overall system stability.
Come on, any capitalist society has the small percent with the most wealth gain more and more while those below don't benefit without some sort of regulation.
The 17 million is the actual unemployment rate--able bodied people who would be in the workforce if they could find jobs. The number is out there and it doesn't take a lot of research skills to find a lot of confirmation of that number and a lot of discussions about it.
And if the Republicans don't represent the middle class then nobody does because the Democrats have been doing their damndest to destroy it and make everybody dependent on government for a very long time now.
What in the world does that have to do with unregulated capitalism?
It shows what happens when capitalism has no regulation to little regulation, there is literally no denying this.
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