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Are Public Schools In The US Biased Against Males?

Is there a bias against boys in the American educational system?


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I like the sound of this system.

As a product of system #1 and #2 (which already exists for special education students, by the way), I'm immensely skeptical and worried about what this could do. These tend to group students rather arbitrarily, far too early, and without much emphasis on testing the waters for greater challenges. Without delving too far into my own research, this has been an issue for many decades, into much of the previous century. It had shifted shape and the way it looks over the decades, but it's still very much a problem.
 
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Hire a teacher for each method.

Since students learn differently, the class sizes would be smaller, thus reducing the burden and increasing the one on one teacher-student time.

So you want more teachers? How many more?
That also means more classrooms right?
Which means a new, bigger school right? Or at least an addition built onto existing school.

Who pays for all that? How much tax hike are people going to be willing to pay?

While we'd all like to say "money shouldn't matter - it's the kids and the outcome of that money that matters" we all know that's not the case.
 

Segregating kids based on an ability can, could, and certainly does lead to bullying doesn't it?
 

Here's a little more information for you. Don't you think if it was just a case "bad parenting" or something, girls would be getting in trouble and having problems just as often?

NEA - Educating Boys for Success

This woman has some wonderful ideas for starters.


Some stats taken from above link:

 

Well, that goes back to my earlier point. Everyone wants a better school system, but nobody wants to pay for it.
 
Segregating kids based on an ability can, could, and certainly does lead to bullying doesn't it?

Bullying or stigma is a part of it, but we should consider the whole picture. It impacts the education one receives (perhaps quality as well), the expectations for that student's life and so forth. It constructively designates who is going to do what in life-at a very young age, and may not allow for much movement through the tiers. You also have to consider whether or not you're getting it right with knowing someone's ability, and there have been many people like me, where they had gotten it wrong multiple times or had limited imagination.
 

The ability to evaluate the information we get is extremely valuable, which is why I am a strong advocate for teaching media literacy and reasoning in schools from the earliest grades through graduation.
 
Well, that goes back to my earlier point. Everyone wants a better school system, but nobody wants to pay for it.

The point that needs to be made over and over again is that a sound investment in education now will reduce future costs for remedial education, social and mental health services, crime, law enforcement, and incarceration.
 

Whew, talk about over complicating an issue. Boys tend not to do the homework as much as girls and that translates into lower grades, plain and simple. You don't do the homework, you don't understand the material as well. Common sense. Its not "cool" for guys to do homework. Its a social stigma that has gone on for decades.
 
..and those scripted programs schools spend tons of money on certainly don't allow for that kind of individualized learning or creativity. A multimillion dollar industry selling teachers how to teach to a script.

Keep in mind the reason that scripted curricula has taken off. It's the same reason which gave birth to NCLB. Educations majors are the bottom of the barrel in terms of intellectual firepower and when teachers DID HAVE THE FREEDOM to individualize instruction, they screwed up the system by falling for fad after fad after fad, learning circles, no red pen marking, self-esteem boosting methods, the list goes on.

You paint a beautiful theory about how wonderful things could be but the history of how such freedom in the classroom was exercised just guts your theory.


An excellent point. Teachers are only part of the problem, and a small part at that. The people who design the methods, policies, and choose content seem to escape the blame and it's the teachers who are required to jump through the various hoops who get the blame for bad outcomes.


I think you understand some of the issues in play but you entirely miss the big picture here, which is, what is the purpose of a public school system. In the Netherlands I'm guessing that the purpose is to take each student which enters the system and help them to achieve to the best of their ability. That's not the case in the US, although it used to be, but now the purpose of our public school system is to close the achievement gap. Schools would be shut down if they actually improved academic performance for most students but in so doing actually increased the black-white achievement gap for these schools would be deemed a failure.

If you understand the purpose of public schooling in the US then many of the policies which look asinine begin to make sense.

1. Practical education. This is largely for children with learning difficulties. That can be because one has low level of IQ (between 60 and no more than 75-80) or youths who are seriously lagging behind in learning.

The mean IQ of African Americans is 85. This means that such classes are going to have massive racial imbalances. This would never fly in the US.


Yeah, I'm guessing that you missed the part about boys doing less homework, earning lower grades but scoring higher on objective tests of content mastery, thus directly invalidating your claim that they don't understand the material.
 

Curricula and methods are not one and the same:roll:
 
Is there a bias against boys in the American educational system?

The issue seems to be more complicated than that. The problem is that teachers are basing grades on subjective judgments (i.e. behavior) as well as objective ones (i.e. scores on tests/homework/etc). Stop that and you solve the problem.
 
The issue seems to be more complicated than that. The problem is that teachers are basing grades on subjective judgments (i.e. behavior) as well as objective ones (i.e. scores on tests/homework/etc). Stop that and you solve the problem.

Isn't learning how to behave, be respectful, and communicate all part of a good education?

What happens at work if you "incorrectly" communicate with your bosses and/or co-workers?

Suppose your "behavior" in a job interview is questionably erratic and/or "not normal"? Do you get offered the job?

Classroom behavior is of some relative importance. How to "grade" that can surely be questioned though.
 

I'm okay if classroom behavior is used as a small part of the child's overall grade, but it should be disclosed up front. They shouldn't simply be given worse grades even though they are turning in the same or better quality work.
 
Well, that goes back to my earlier point. Everyone wants a better school system, but nobody wants to pay for it.

It's not about the money. Something's rotten in our educational system--we have become underperformers internationally--and what to do seems to have most of us confused and uncertain. (More measurement! More assessment! Students won't be learning more, but we'll be proving that they are "successful"! Yay!)
 
Is there a bias against boys in the American educational system?

I think that there are subtle, and often entirely unintentional, biases both for and against boys and girls. Same-sex education in middle and high school does seem to be an academic benefit to both genders.
 
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