I don't get why they teach higher math. Or liturature.
Even the movie was a root canal. I couldn't imagine having to read the book.@CLAX1911
I think you made a good observation about arbitrarily being confined to "classic" literature rather than allowing children/young adults the freedom to branch out more. However, I do understand why those subjects are "taught" (although based on the nature of good literature, Public Schools will never be equipped to give a solid analysis since it fundamentally challenges aspects of the society for which the upcoming generations are brought up in and told they must acclimate into--take "Gulliver's Travels" by Jonathon Swift for example).
Basic mathematics I agree. But algebra trigonometry and calculus is only useful in a very narrow range of careers but mostly important because you have to have it to graduate for some reason.As for Math, it is amongst the most efficient ways of training an individuals abstract reasoning ability, which makes up a substantial bulk of intelligence. Also, our society is based on harnessing Science & Maths in useful ways, so it is sensible that the general population has a level of understanding concerning how this works (in order to be informed enough to make informed decisions).
I think it's because we are hyper focused on teaching people pointless math they would never use and appreciation of dull nonsense.Still, your main observation remains significant in that one needs practical life skills & knowledge before branching out into areas such as literature, for example (although this is not at all how our current model is set up).
Even the movie was a root canal. I couldn't imagine having to read the book.
I loved to read technical stuff non fiction and various manuals. I read them in school. Those have been much more useful than the great Gatsby. All i learned firm that is that people will believe trash is great because people they think are smarter than them told them it was.
Basic mathematics I agree. But algebra trigonometry and calculus is only useful in a very narrow range of careers but mostly important because you have to have it to graduate for some reason.
It is utterly worthless outside of a vary narrow job field.
Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?
no
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I would be interested to hear your side if you would like to elaborate
which part of my answer confuses you?
It is not that I am confused about your position--you do not think that Public Schools are designed to indoctrinate the young.
Rather, the reasoning behind your position is still in the dark, and if you care to, I would like to see a light put to it (so that I and others can exam it)
my parents both dedicated their careers to educating kids in the public school system, and i received my primary and secondary education in public schools. it was a good education, and i consider the "indoctrination" nonsense to be horse****.
"exam" that.
Are teaching, science, grammar and critical thinking, anti-conservative? Because if they are, small wonder we have troubles.
Part I:
Sure. First, note, my Mother is a Public School teacher and Public School teachers from (I believe) this forum and others have weighed in on this topic on the opposing side of you from various countries (i.e. they aruged that there were notable levels of indoctrination occurring in Public (as well as Private) school systems and they viewed this as highly problematic--also, they were eager to talk about these issues as it is a source of great distress for them).
This is a refined version of a previous post I made on this topic that lays out much of the groundwork of my position that I would like you to pick a bone with if you still have one (which seems highly likely):
The largest issue (as I see it) is that people who respect intellectualism/independent creativity are in the extreme minority (I'm speaking strictly of adults now--those old enough to have been fully physically matured and have "life experience". One would expect them to have some wisdom to impart once they have been in the world for 3+ decades, although this is often not necessarily the case). Therefore, most people inevitably are not going to be fostered in such a way as to bring about the best in their intellectual/creative capacities while in the bulk of their most formative years (growing up), will lack exposure to areas outside of immediate contact (e.g. how is one going to "realize" they have a passion for and want to pursue Paleontology when all they have ever seen is their father/men watching Football and their mother/women at at minimum being very sympathetic to the father's/men's behavior/worldview?--I know that I am speaking rather generally here, but I think you understand my point). The scenario I described above, concerning the father, is firmly inside of what I often refer to as the Mammal Snow Globe World that most adults inhabit (and have tacitly agreed with each other not to "shake up"). In order to not shake up the Snow Globe, the adults are forced to subject their children to a Perpetual Firehose of Bullsh't or else (if the children found out any deep truths about ourselves and/or the Universe which have been discovered thus far) they would be bound to break free of the confinement.
As of right now, the education system is so bad and the adults are so oblivious/stupid/ignorant/arrogant that they can't even let the kids come in to school and watch credible lectures, documentaries, OpenCourseware or point them in the right direction with people to look up, book recommendations, the fundamental questions that any given topic is exploring , ect. The kids would be naturally drawn to this information if they were exposed to it, they simply are not exposed to it because there is an obscurantism at work that is pervasive in our society (and world wide). Instead, in the current system, children growing up through their teenage years into young adulthood are subjected to a Perpetual Firehose of Bullsh't through the "education" system and the "mature" adults in our societies.
People have been strongly primed to believe that magical type thinking is "wonderful", "beautiful", "interesting", "hopeful", "fun" ect. due to things like Sana Claus, Easter Bunny, Superhero tv/comics, Harry Potter type Sci-Fi, ect. ect. Although these things in-and-of-themselves are not harmful (and can be enriching in many ways), when combined with not being exposed to the real world, how it actually is and the methods by which we have determined our limited range of knowledge thus far, then the magic show becomes extremely pernicious. Also, the majority of adults are so attached to their infantile superstitious beliefs that they think learning science is "dry", "scary", "cold", "devoid of any deep meaning/feeling" and don't want their kids to learn it either for these reasons. This combination confines children to the mind-space of the Mammal Snow Globe rather than what me know of the Real World thus far.
Furthermore, the leaders of the business world and governments (the powerful classes) have a vested interested in keeping the populace misinformed, uneducated, unintelligent, conditioned toward obedience, ect.
it would appear, from the shown portion of your post, that you do want an indoctrination system used on studentsPart I:Sure. ...they can't even let the kids come in to school and watch credible lectures, documentaries, OpenCourseware or point them in the right direction with people to look up, book recommendations, the fundamental questions that any given topic is exploring , ect. The kids would be naturally drawn to this information if they were exposed to it, they simply are not exposed to it because there is an obscurantism at work that is pervasive in our society (and world wide). ... Furthermore, the leaders of the business world and governments (the powerful classes) have a vested interested in keeping the populace misinformed, uneducated, unintelligent, conditioned toward obedience, ect.
the public education system could certainly be improved. using a private voucher system to divert funds and encourage it to fail faster is not improving the public system, and that's the main strategy being employed. either way, my point stands. my parents taught kids English and math and did whatever they could to make sure that those kids had the best opportunity to go to college or to enter vocational careers. that's not "indoctrination," and whenever i see someone spouting that nonsense, it pisses me off.
No, the public school systems aren't designed to be indoctrination centers, but that's what the liberal / progressive / leftists / SJWs have slowly but surely turn them into.
You have to keep asking yourself, 'what part of education is political?' (other than studies of political science).
what part of education is political?
then answer your own question:
and beyond political science studies what is being taught which is found politically indoctrinating?From my view the only part of education that has a need to be political is studies in political science. The rest should be apolitical, purposefully even handed.
I was commenting on the thread in general. I am with Helix. I'm pro public schools and not a fan of the voucher system. My sister is a well loved high school English teacher.
From my view the only part of education that has a need to be political is studies in political science. The rest should be apolitical, purposefully even handed.
How would your version of "even-handed" differ from the present system?
No, the public school systems aren't designed to be indoctrination centers, but that's what the liberal / progressive / leftists / SJWs have slowly but surely turn them into.
You have to keep asking yourself, 'what part of education is political?' (other than studies of political science).
Additionally, the people that this education system produces are the same ones who need safe spaces when any of their beliefs are challenged; are triggered when a pro-Trump message is chalked on a sidewalk, and need therapy.
These are the people we are expecting to be able, to be capable, to lead the nation as the next generation? :lamo
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