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are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this?

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just as we finally have proof of election rigging like with the leaks out showing the DNC itself was working to stop a certain candidate we may also see this with Polls also

Look at wisc..... the dems had 1.0 mil voting and the repubs had 1.1 mil... sanders won wisc easily over hillary

and new polls out today is showing sanders voters only going to hillary by 60% over trump.... if so and this would be very hard for dems to win wisc

look at mich....1.2 mil voted as democrats and 1.3 mil as republicans


these more voters voting republican than democrat and sanders voters going only 60% more for hillary would then make hillary losing.... This then shows the polls are WRONG
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

I'm sure you think Romney is president too.
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

No. Next question.
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

No. Next question.

when we find out the whole election is rigged why not also the polling? WHY?
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

when we find out the whole election is rigged why not also the polling? WHY?

I hear the people who plotted 9/11 for Bush are the ones who plotted to mess with the polls and rig the election...
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

just as we finally have proof of election rigging like with the leaks out showing the DNC itself was working to stop a certain candidate we may also see this with Polls also

Look at wisc..... the dems had 1.0 mil voting and the repubs had 1.1 mil... sanders won wisc easily over hillary

and new polls out today is showing sanders voters only going to hillary by 60% over trump.... if so and this would be very hard for dems to win wisc

look at mich....1.2 mil voted as democrats and 1.3 mil as republicans


these more voters voting republican than democrat and sanders voters going only 60% more for hillary would then make hillary losing.... This then shows the polls are WRONG

Things seem hard for you to figure out.

What's got you so confuzzled?
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

Things seem hard for you to figure out.

What's got you so confuzzled?

It has something to do with not being breast fed....
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

just as we finally have proof of election rigging like with the leaks out showing the DNC itself was working to stop a certain candidate we may also see this with Polls also

Look at wisc..... the dems had 1.0 mil voting and the repubs had 1.1 mil... sanders won wisc easily over hillary

and new polls out today is showing sanders voters only going to hillary by 60% over trump.... if so and this would be very hard for dems to win wisc

look at mich....1.2 mil voted as democrats and 1.3 mil as republicans


these more voters voting republican than democrat and sanders voters going only 60% more for hillary would then make hillary losing.... This then shows the polls are WRONG
And the Excuses begin..........
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

And the Excuses begin..........

is it a fact that.....the republicans and the democrats has a RIGGED SYSTEM IN PLACE.. with their rules where if you got money and you don't like how the voters voted then you can buy off the delegates to stop the voters will


now we have that above as a FACT...

and next we see how the dnc itself rigs the election for a certain candidate

that also is a fact.....


also we see that the media gives over 90% donations to liberals proving they are bias and also rigging the election


so when finding out every part of the process has been found out RIGGING the system why not the polling also !!
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

these more voters voting republican than democrat and sanders voters going only 60% more for hillary would then make hillary losing....This then shows the polls are WRONG
That's not how electorates work -- Voters aren't reliable numbers in a table on a spreadsheet, that dutifully follow the ebb and flow of politics. When Bernie lost, it doesn't mean that all of them remained engaged and suddenly flipped to Hillary and Trump in a 60/40 fashion. People engage and disengage with politics and make decisions that on the aggregate don't always make sense.

So, for example, remember Wisconsin is a population of 5 million people. Only 47% of the electorate voted in the 2016 Primary, whereas Wisconsinites routinely vote in the general election at a turnout of 70%.

Which means there's going to be, probably, an additional 1 million people voting in November. An additional 1 million who probably prefer Hillary to Trump.
 

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also the never voted is not polled and all those coming out would be for trump and the more democrats voting in the general still does not make up the difference especially if sanders voters are voting only 65% for hillary and 5% for trump.... showing 40% of sanders voters are NOT voting for clinton....
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

also the never voted is not polled and all those coming out would be for trump and the more democrats voting in the general still does not make up the difference especially if sanders voters are voting only 65% for hillary and 5% for trump.... showing 40% of sanders voters are NOT voting for clinton....

Please stop trying math. You're not very good at it.
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

is it a fact that.....the republicans and the democrats has a RIGGED SYSTEM IN PLACE.. with their rules where if you got money and you don't like how the voters voted then you can buy off the delegates to stop the voters will


now we have that above as a FACT...

and next we see how the dnc itself rigs the election for a certain candidate

that also is a fact.....


also we see that the media gives over 90% donations to liberals proving they are bias and also rigging the election


so when finding out every part of the process has been found out RIGGING the system why not the polling also !!

Pssst, the system has always been rigged, We do not elect the President, now back to the fantasy...............
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

just as we finally have proof of election rigging like with the leaks out showing the DNC itself was working to stop a certain candidate we may also see this with Polls also

Look at wisc..... the dems had 1.0 mil voting and the repubs had 1.1 mil... sanders won wisc easily over hillary

and new polls out today is showing sanders voters only going to hillary by 60% over trump.... if so and this would be very hard for dems to win wisc

look at mich....1.2 mil voted as democrats and 1.3 mil as republicans


these more voters voting republican than democrat and sanders voters going only 60% more for hillary would then make hillary losing.... This then shows the polls are WRONG

Yeah, even FOX NEWS is in on this grand conspiracy theory since they've got Hillary up over Trump by ten points!
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

just as we finally have proof of election rigging like with the leaks out showing the DNC itself was working to stop a certain candidate we may also see this with Polls also

Look at wisc..... the dems had 1.0 mil voting and the repubs had 1.1 mil... sanders won wisc easily over hillary

and new polls out today is showing sanders voters only going to hillary by 60% over trump.... if so and this would be very hard for dems to win wisc

look at mich....1.2 mil voted as democrats and 1.3 mil as republicans


these more voters voting republican than democrat and sanders voters going only 60% more for hillary would then make hillary losing.... This then shows the polls are WRONG
The right leaning media beat this drum into the freaking dirt during the lead-up to the vote in 2012... and wound up looking really stupid for doing so.
 

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Her is why that report is DEAD WRONG.. they say the reason is the republicans are more competitive

sanders and clinton very close and very competitive just as much as the republicans .... having more candidates does not show more competition for the republican votes ....... 2 candidates can be just as competitive.... and the general election PROVES this
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

Her is why that report is DEAD WRONG.. they say the reason is the republicans are more competitive

sanders and clinton very close and very competitive just as much as the republicans .... having more candidates does not show more competition for the republican votes ....... 2 candidates can be just as competitive.... and the general election PROVES this

Mkay.

Did you even read it?
 
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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

Her is why that report is DEAD WRONG.. they say the reason is the republicans are more competitive

sanders and clinton very close and very competitive just as much as the republicans .... having more candidates does not show more competition for the republican votes ....... 2 candidates can be just as competitive.... and the general election PROVES this

So what you're saying is that David Icke and the Lizard People are behind all this.

Got it. Thanks.
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

just as we finally have proof of election rigging like with the leaks out showing the DNC itself was working to stop a certain candidate we may also see this with Polls also

Look at wisc..... the dems had 1.0 mil voting and the repubs had 1.1 mil... sanders won wisc easily over hillary

and new polls out today is showing sanders voters only going to hillary by 60% over trump.... if so and this would be very hard for dems to win wisc

look at mich....1.2 mil voted as democrats and 1.3 mil as republicans


these more voters voting republican than democrat and sanders voters going only 60% more for hillary would then make hillary losing.... This then shows the polls are WRONG

What about those in the middle? You seem to forget that not everyone in the world is a Dem or Republican. Also, look at this copied paragraph.

As Hillary Clinton campaigns Monday morning with Sen. Elizabeth Warren in Cincinnati, the newest NBC/WSJ poll finds that Bernie Sanders supporters are slowly -- but surely -- coming to Clinton's side. In the poll, 45% of Sanders supporters have a positive view of the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, while 33 percent have a negative view of her (+12). That's an improvement from last month, when it was 38 percent positive/41 percent negative among Democratic primary voters backing Sanders (-3), but it's still a far cry from the 60% positive/15% negative score that Clinton supporters have of Sanders (+45) in this new poll. What's more, in the poll's horserace result showing Clinton leading Donald Trump by five points, 78% of Sanders supporters are picking Clinton, while 10% back Trump and the rest are neither/other/unsure. But in a four-way ballot -- where Clinton's lead is reduced to one point -- 63% of Sanders supporters are behind Clinton, 14% pick the Green Party's Jill Stein, 9% back Trump, and 8% are for Libertarian Johnson. Bottom line: Clinton is a stronger position with Sanders supporters than she was a month ago, but she still has a ways to go. And that helps explain Warren's appearance with Clinton as Sanders continues to hold off of an official endorsement.

Yeah, when 10% support Trump, I don't exactly see a Trump landslide win in Wis., or Michigan. Also, remember Cruz won Wis., and there are a whole bunch of Republicans who hate his guts. Trump only won Michigan with 36.5%, with Cruz and Kasich both getting 24%, a very high showing.
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

The right leaning media beat this drum into the freaking dirt during the lead-up to the vote in 2012... and wound up looking really stupid for doing so.

BUT this election has the many sanders voters showing they will sit out that is the big polling data and they are not using that.... if they used that then those polls would show different .. they are trying to have it BOTH WAYS


saying the many sanders voters are not voting for hillary.. if so hillary is NOT in the lead unless the republicans are doing worse than the sanders voters with trump... we will see
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

What about those in the middle? You seem to forget that not everyone in the world is a Dem or Republican. Also, look at this copied paragraph.

As Hillary Clinton campaigns Monday morning with Sen. Elizabeth Warren in Cincinnati, the newest NBC/WSJ poll finds that Bernie Sanders supporters are slowly -- but surely -- coming to Clinton's side. In the poll, 45% of Sanders supporters have a positive view of the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, while 33 percent have a negative view of her (+12). That's an improvement from last month, when it was 38 percent positive/41 percent negative among Democratic primary voters backing Sanders (-3), but it's still a far cry from the 60% positive/15% negative score that Clinton supporters have of Sanders (+45) in this new poll. What's more, in the poll's horserace result showing Clinton leading Donald Trump by five points, 78% of Sanders supporters are picking Clinton, while 10% back Trump and the rest are neither/other/unsure. But in a four-way ballot -- where Clinton's lead is reduced to one point -- 63% of Sanders supporters are behind Clinton, 14% pick the Green Party's Jill Stein, 9% back Trump, and 8% are for Libertarian Johnson. Bottom line: Clinton is a stronger position with Sanders supporters than she was a month ago, but she still has a ways to go. And that helps explain Warren's appearance with Clinton as Sanders continues to hold off of an official endorsement.

Yeah, when 10% support Trump, I don't exactly see a Trump landslide win in Wis., or Michigan. Also, remember Cruz won Wis., and there are a whole bunch of Republicans who hate his guts. Trump only won Michigan with 36.5%, with Cruz and Kasich both getting 24%, a very high showing.

you gov has it with more sanders voters not voting for hillary... but in the one above 78minus 10 shows only 68% of sanders voters going for clinton and that in itself would make these polls WRONG unless the republicans are going against trump more than the sanders voters for hillary
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

just as we finally have proof of election rigging like with the leaks out showing the DNC itself was working to stop a certain candidate we may also see this with Polls also

Look at wisc..... the dems had 1.0 mil voting and the repubs had 1.1 mil... sanders won wisc easily over hillary

and new polls out today is showing sanders voters only going to hillary by 60% over trump.... if so and this would be very hard for dems to win wisc

look at mich....1.2 mil voted as democrats and 1.3 mil as republicans


these more voters voting republican than democrat and sanders voters going only 60% more for hillary would then make hillary losing.... This then shows the polls are WRONG

Primary votes means nothing. People tend to vote more in the party that has the more exciting election and no one can doubt the Republican Party had that. Even with Sanders great showing, everyone with just a tiny bit of political knowledge knew Clinton was their nominee.

Now look at the PVI or partisan voter index for Michigan, D +4 and Wisconsin D+3. That simply means there are more Democrats than Republicans in those states. Michigan has gone to the Democratic presidential candidate in six of the last six elections by an average of 10 points. Wisconsin has gone to the Democratic presidential candidate in seven of the last seven elections. So what makes you think that string will be broken this time around? Total primary votes that mean nothing in the general election?

Right now RCP averages has Clinton ahead by 6 in Michigan and Wisconsin, exactly the same percentage she leads Trump nationally.
 

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BUT this election has the many sanders voters showing they will sit out that is the big polling data and they are not using that.... if they used that then those polls would show different .. they are trying to have it BOTH WAYS


saying the many sanders voters are not voting for hillary.. if so hillary is NOT in the lead unless the republicans are doing worse than the sanders voters with trump... we will see
A big chunk of Sander's base is very similar to a big chunk of Trump's base. They are people who have never voted before. Them sitting out is not nearly as impactful as you suggest.
 

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Re: are polls Lying to help Hillary? LOOK at Wisc and Mich primary voters to see this

just as we finally have proof of election rigging like with the leaks out showing the DNC itself was working to stop a certain candidate we may also see this with Polls also

Look at wisc..... the dems had 1.0 mil voting and the repubs had 1.1 mil... sanders won wisc easily over hillary

and new polls out today is showing sanders voters only going to hillary by 60% over trump.... if so and this would be very hard for dems to win wisc

look at mich....1.2 mil voted as democrats and 1.3 mil as republicans


these more voters voting republican than democrat and sanders voters going only 60% more for hillary would then make hillary losing.... This then shows the polls are WRONG

Firstly, please learn what the "shift" key is for. Secondly, this election is already farcical enough that I don't care. If you're going to bias the process and rig the system against Bernie Sanders, I'm not crying when they do it to Trump. At least Trump is a total raving idiot and a lying scumbag. This guy should not have his hands on the nuclear codes.

That being said, there's no reason at all to believe what you're proposing, and the logic you present has been debunked several times.
 
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