Are liberals the only ones who care about this country anymore? (1 Viewer)

[disneydude]

Are Liberals the only ones who care about this country anymore?

If you look at what is going on in the US these days it would seem so.
This is the way I see it. You have:

1. The radical right-wing fringe - the only thing they care about is their right-wing so called "Christian" agenda. They really only care about 2 things, abortion and homosexuality. As long as the administration promotes their agenda on these issues they will overlook and apologize for anything else Bush does.

2. Moderate Republicans - This group has pretty much become disillusioned. They sat back and were caught off guard as their party was hijacked by the radical right. I don't see them doing much at this point in part because I think they are trying to figure out how to get their party back. It will be interesting to see if they can regain control in 2008. Their best hope: Guliani/McCain.

3. Moderate Democrats - Wimps. They are so afraid to do anything that they have squandered every good opportunity to capitalize on the right-wing hypocrasy. They spend too much time trying to figure out public opinion that they end up being completely ineffective.

4. Liberals - The only group that is standing up and saying to America :"You had better wake up and get off you butts and act unless you want to end up like the Moderate Republicans who were blindsided and the entire country will be hijacked by these radical right-wing wackos.
We are the only ones who see that the radical right will try to continue to push their agenda until the entire country is forced to live under their principles.

Are Liberals the only group who love America enough to do something to speak out against this happening?
Its time for us to come together and pick a President: I'm even willing to go so far as say Moderate Republican or Moderate Democrat, but someone who will stand up for the rights that so many have fought and died for against the erosion of the religious nuts.

 

[justone]

Are Liberals the only group who love America enough to do something to speak out against this happening?

Of course. Who can have any doubts?

Its time for us to come together and pick a President: someone who will stand up for the rights that so many have fought and died for against the erosion of the religious nuts.

Those religious nuts really hate America. They made people die fighting for the people's rights and against them, didn't they. I guess, this is their religion - to hate America. I hope we are ready do die fighting for our rights against them again.

 

[alphamale]

Leftwing wackos have had this country in their evil grip for just about 30 years, dating from the jimmy carter administration. With the reformation of the USSC from a liberal oligarchy back to a judicial body, the transformation is under way. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Don't like it? Emmigrate to Canada, or better yet France - and take a few thousand illegals with you.

 

[jfuh]

Absolutely. The entire ideology of liberalism is what progresses society. Conservatism, though neccesary is backward looking toward the good old days. Conservatism should not be viewed upon as an ideology that helps in the progression of a nation, no, it's more of the brakes on liberalism when things are going way too fast. History has clearly showed that any nation that utilized the backward looking mentalities and ideologies of conservatism was either bound for invasion (16~19th century China) Or total destruction and self implosion (Holy roman Empire). While those of a progressive liberal society would always flourish. Liberalist ideology is what gave us Galileo, the renassonse, the industrial revolution, age of reason, Einstien, Edison, Madam Currey, magna carta, emancipation act, civil rights, women's rights, the declaration of Independence, so on and so forth.
In present day US however, through the disgraceful and dispicable use of faith power brokers and large coorperations have contributed to a government that is not based on liberlism nor conservative ideology but coorperate interests alone. Keep in mind conservatives, it is conservative ideology that maintains the protection of our wilderness and environment, feel free to look it up.
Yet because it so happens that the majority of those whom gained office as "conservative" candidates many of our conservative brotheren feel it's finally thier day to shine. Sadly you are only blindly following a misguided concept that you're "conservative" public servants are conservative. Same goes for "liberal" democrats.
The politicians of today are completely spineless. The true reason for such is because there's no more great threatening enemy that unites us. The Soviet Union ironically made American truly a wonderful country. Today, the neo-con dominated republican party must artificially create an enemy that never bleeds nor disipates and the democrats are merely a bunch of pathetic loosers that will do the opposite of republicans just because it's the opposite and not because it's bad or anything.
A Chinese scholar during the later days of the song Dynasty said "a country that has no great foreign enemy, nor any honest and great leaders will cease to exist".
This nation used to have a visible grave threat on the horizon, not socialism, but dictorial power mongering USSR. Today there is no longer that threat. And don't say China poses a threat or is an enemy of this country, hardly, not even on par, and soon there will be significant social change in China, just a matter of time.
Now all that is left is whether or not we have great honest leaders. Well honesty has gone straight out the window since Bush Sr starting with the disgraceful event of taking out the women's league in election debates. No leader since 1984 has been honest with the american people.
Now the Us has become what Eisenhower warned before leaving office, and that being an Industrial military complex.
The #1 export of the US is weaponry, the US economy is heavily dependent on weaponry sales and so on. The US simply can not exist in it's current state without conflict happening some where in the world.
Well I've gone on enough about this, time for a breather.
I do not believe that liberals are the only ones that care about this country, afterall we would not be on this site arguing if we did not care. It's because we care so as to why we argue.

 

[KCConservative]

Absolutely. The entire ideology of liberalism is what progresses society. Conservatism, though neccesary is backward looking toward the good old days. Conservatism should not be viewed upon as an ideology blah blah blah blah blah....

While those of a progressive liberal society would always flourish. Liberalist ideology is what gave us....blah blah blah

In present day US however, through the disgraceful and dispicable use of faith power brokers and large coorperations have contributed to a government that is ..... blah blah blah blah....

The politicians of today are blah blah blah......

A Chinese scholar blah blah blah blah.....

Well I've gone on enough about this, time for a breather....blah blah

I do not believe that liberals are the only ones that care about this country, afterall we would not be on this site arguing if we did not care. It's because we care so as to why we argue.

Interesting and yet contradictory.

 

[justone]

Absolutely. Liberalist ideology is what gave us Galileo, Einstien, Edison, Madam Currey, so on and so forth.

Good.
E=MC^2 is a product of liberalist idelogy. Math and physics are products of liberal ideology, too.

The politicians of today are completely spineless. The true reason for such is because there's no more great threatening enemy that unites us.

Even better.
Terrorism is not a threat – it is all made up by …whom?

And don't say China poses a threat or is an enemy of this country, hardly, not even on par, and soon there will be significant social change in China, just a matter of time.

jfuh is looking into his crystal ball. Don’t say anything. This is magic. Or maybe jfuh has his own intelligence agency reporting to him?

Now all that is left is whether or not we have great honest leaders. No leader since 1984 has been honest with the american people.

What did happen in 1984? Some kind of virus? Radiation? Evil Christians made a revolution, penetrated everything like werevolves? What kind of silver bullets would work on them?

the US economy is heavily dependent on weaponry sales..

Yeah, this is what we all see around us, - weaponry, weaponry, we all do weaponry at work.

Well I've gone on enough about this, time for a breather.

Sunday, the seventh day.

 

[Sir_Alec]

Good.
E=MC^2 is a product of liberalist idelogy. Math and physics are products of liberal ideology, too.


Even better.
Terrorism is not a threat – it is all made up by …whom?


jfuh is looking into his crystal ball. Don’t say anything. This is magic. Or maybe jfuh has his own intelligence agency reporting to him?

What did happen in 1984? Some kind of virus? Radiation? Evil Christians made a revolution, penetrated everything like werevolves? What kind of silver bullets would work on them?

Yeah, this is what we all see around us, - weaponry, weaponry, we all do weaponry at work.

Sunday, the seventh day.

Ok! First of all, what he means is that all of those important people had liberal ideologies which may or may not have affected their accomplishments, but it most likely did. Back then some conservatives did not want the idea of Earth being the center of the universe taken away. This is much like how some present day conservatives would like to stop evolution in schools even when science proves them wrong. Most conservatives would like to keep America's values and knowledge the same, while others want to expand our knowlegde and educate.

Ok! Last of all, I don't think he was saying that all our work is being put into making weapons. He meant that we put a majority of our money and effort into making weapons. We spend so much on weapons that if we drained 15% away from military spending we could eliminate poverty and starvation in America and all over the world. BUT NO WE HAVE TO HAVE MISSILES AND BOMBS!!! There are people starving all over the planet and our first priority as a nation is having the biggest muscles to flex and not the biggest heart to show. This is why other countries hate us.

 

[128shot]

Speaking of liberalism.



http://www.mises.org/story/2101


Anyhow.


I think we lost our roots as a liberal society when we turned our backs on everything we stood for. I believe this started with Lincoln. however some would say it dates back even farther.


Not to mention the word "Liberal" was hijacked by socialists, which is a bunch of crap. This country was founded on the natural rights of man, in conjunction, we work in a market liberalist society.


Its too bad today that isn't true.

 

[mpg]

It's divisive and counter productive to say that any major group of people doesn't care about this country.

 

[Davo]

I think democrats and republican politicians dont give a damn about what most people want today. Most of them dont litsen to the newer generations this in term creates a huge conflict between the old generation( the one 99% of our elected officials belong to) and the new one ( 30 years old and less). I think people should elect new generation politicians due to the fact that they have a more modern look at society - one that wasnt damaged by the ideology that most old americans have that "We're always right and we'll burn in hell if we admit we're not".

 

[jfuh]

Interesting and yet contradictory.

Grow up KC. This is the kind of example that you set for your kids? For shame.

 

[jfuh]

Good.
E=MC^2 is a product of liberalist idelogy. Math and physics are products of liberal ideology, too.

Glad you recognize this.

Even better.
Terrorism is not a threat – it is all made up by …whom?

Did I say that? You're so desperate to discredit me that you're putting words into my mouth. For shame

jfuh is looking into his crystal ball. Don’t say anything. This is magic. Or maybe jfuh has his own intelligence agency reporting to him?

My analysis stems from my understanding of the social and economical progress that is happening there. If you wish to argue about it, perhaps you could provide some actual evidence or observations to back up your claims, that is in contrast to your lame and demeaning statment that only belittles yourself.

What did happen in 1984? Some kind of virus? Radiation? Evil Christians made a revolution, penetrated everything like werevolves? What kind of silver bullets would work on them?

Yeah, this is what we all see around us, - weaponry, weaponry, we all do weaponry at work.

Sunday, the seventh day.

Just lame.
Face it you're only making these obsurd statements because you have nothing but hate against liberalist ideals and will say anything including the belittleing of yourself just to attempt at discrediting.

 

[MSgt]

In my experience all over the world with many different societies and civilizations.......

Extreme "liberalsim" is the path to anarchy amd extreme "conservatism" is the path to stagnation. There is a middle ground and it is within this middle ground where the functioning American government swims (despite each ignorant side whining and complaining about how bad they got it). Each side, whether extreme or not, serves to keep the other side honest.

I have also found that the "liberal" side of America are made up of the most morally decrepit individuals in the nation. They care about freedom, equality, and fairness, yet when the topic of Iraqis, the Sudanese, and pretty much everyone else where brown or black people are victims to tyranny and religious oppression, they are silent. What many of them mean to say, is that they are for freedom and equality for "Americans."

If one was to celebrate the moral "high ground" of the intolerant "conservatist," who chooses what is right and wrong in our society, one should take the time to recognize what a stagnated civilization becomes by ruling through a single dogmatic religious aspect or through passed down traditions that do not serve positive progression. The Middle East and their many "Apocalyptic" terrorists are a symptom of such a society.

The wisest individual is that individual who stands and decides from both sides of the argument to choose the better path.

 

[justone]

Glad you recognize this.

I may; but I am afraid Edison, math and physics would not.

Did I say that? You're so desperate to discredit me that you're putting words into my mouth. For shame

Yes, you said –
Originally Posted by jfuh
The politicians of today are completely spineless. The true reason for such is because there's no more great threatening enemy that unites us.

And I will always chase you with your statement that there is no great threatening enemy for us as of 4/8/06. that only can mean that terrorism is not a great threatening enemy in your eyes. I will always send you to your post #4

My analysis stems from my understanding of the social and economical progress that is happening there. If you wish to argue about it, perhaps you could provide some actual evidence or observations to back up your claims, that is in contrast to your lame and demeaning statment that only belittles yourself.

As usual you provided no analysis, not a single word to back up your statement. As always there is nothing to argue. You say whatever comes on you mind, all kinds of lame and demeaning statements, – and then you want me to provide a disproval of your statements? Never.

Just lame.
You can say it is lame, you can say it is discrediting me, you can say it is stupid.
But you would not say a word to back up your statements. And at any time you want to say it again, my answer is: You can say it is lame, you can say it is discrediting me, you can say it is stupid. But you would not say a word to back up your statements.

Face it you're only making these obsurd statements because you have nothing but hate against liberalist ideals and will say anything including the belittleing of yourself just to attempt at discrediting.

No, I do not hate any idea. I just comment on the ideas you and disneydude are expressing. You can call your ideas liberal or scientific or progressive, or whatever. I call them your ideas. And your ideas do not withstand any wind.

 

[justone]

Ok! First of all, what he means is that all of those people had liberal ideologies which may or may not have affected their accomplishments, but it most likely did.

First of all it turns that he meant what he said. I said: if ideology affect science I do not care what kind of ideology it is. Science is a thing which is very separate from ideology. Science driven or influenced by an ideology is a fake science, the one jfuh tries to impose on us.

Back then some conservatives did not want the idea of Earth being the center of the universe taken away.

If ideology affect science I do not care what kind of ideology it is, conservative, or liberal.

This is much like how some present day conservatives would like to stop evolution in schools even when science proves them wrong.

I don’t see conservatives doing it, when science proves them wrong. I don’t see them on this forum.

Most conservatives would like to keep America's values and knowledge the same, while others want to expand our knowlegde and educate.

I don’t see conservatives who do not want expand our knowledge and educate. I don’t see them on this forum.

Ok! Last of all, I don't think he was saying that all our work is being put into making weapons. He meant that we put a majority of our money and effort into making weapons. We spend so much on weapons that if we drained 15% away from military spending we could eliminate poverty and starvation in America and all over the world. BUT NO WE HAVE TO HAVE MISSILES AND BOMBS!!! There are people starving all over the planet and our first priority as a nation is having the biggest muscles to flex and not the biggest heart to show. This is why other countries hate us.

Everyone has the same ideas once in a while. I was not different when I was a teenager.
And I still wish you or jfuh would show me a way to change things. But all you do you make fun of this wish. You just whip me out of my natural liberalism. I have no choice but to go to conservatives.

 

[justone]

I have also found that the "liberal" side of America are made up of the most morally decrepit individuals in the nation. They care about freedom, equality, and fairness, yet when the topic of Iraqis, the Sudanese, and pretty much everyone else where brown or black people are victims to tyranny and religious oppression, they are silent. What many of them mean to say, is that they are for freedom and equality for "Americans."

I don’t think it is true. Many of them look at victims of tyranny and oppression and cry no less than they cry about Americans living in poverty and starvation. Many of them have good heart. Look at Billo.

If one was to celebrate the moral "high ground" of the intolerant "conservatist," who chooses what is right and wrong in our society, one should take the time to recognize what a stagnated civilization becomes by ruling through a single dogmatic religious aspect or through passed down traditions that do not serve positive progression.

I don’t see that intolerance and high grounds are signs of conservatists. These are mostly signs of “ nuts” who call them whatever they want.

The wisest individual is that individual who stands and decides from both sides of the argument to choose the better path.

No, the wisest one is the one who does not have a problem to change his view on a subject if he is proven he is wrong. The one who looks for a real solution for a real problem.

 

[jfuh]

Yes, you said –
Originally Posted by jfuh
The politicians of today are completely spineless. The true reason for such is because there's no more great threatening enemy that unites us.

And I will always chase you with your statement that there is no great threatening enemy for us as of 4/8/06. that only can mean that terrorism is not a great threatening enemy in your eyes. I will always send you to your post #4

I see, so what you've said is that you can not answer without dishonestly :spin: my statment.

As usual you provided no analysis, not a single word to back up your statement. As always there is nothing to argue. You say whatever comes on you mind, all kinds of lame and demeaning statements, – and then you want me to provide a disproval of your statements? Never.

Wow, big surprise, you can't disprove my statments. Because you can't answer without more :spin:

No, I do not hate any idea. I just comment on the ideas you and disneydude are expressing. You can call your ideas liberal or scientific or progressive, or whatever. I call them your ideas. And your ideas do not withstand any wind.

Again just more senseless :spin: as opposed to dealing with the issues. You've only got hatred and arrogance.

 

[jfuh]

First of all it turns that he meant what he said. I said: if ideology affect science I do not care what kind of ideology it is. Science is a thing which is very separate from ideology. Science driven or influenced by an ideology is a fake science, the one jfuh tries to impose on us.

Can't deal with reality can you? Tough luck.

 

[KCConservative]

Grow up KC. This is the kind of example that you set for your kids? For shame.

I found your post to be interesting and contradictory. Why post in this thread if you don't want comments in return?

 

[jfuh]

I found your post to be interesting and contradictory. Why start a thread if you don't want comments?

I started this thread? Hmmm, fingers starting to get a mind of thier own these days.

 

[KCConservative]

I started this thread? Hmmm, fingers starting to get a mind of thier own these days.

I realized my error on this and edited it while you took the opportunity of a cheap shot. It is corrected. But the question is still valid. Why are you so offended by a disagreeing opinion? And furthermore, why attack with all of these insults? Aren't you the one who always complains about flaming?

 

[jfuh]

I realized my error on this and edited it while you took the opportunity of a cheap shot. It is corrected. But the question is still valid. Why are you so offended by a disagreeing opinion? And furthermore, why attack with all of these insults? Aren't you the one who always complains about flaming?

Lol, if I got a penny for every time you said the word flame. Wow, you just don't get it do you. You're quite amuzing. The forum would not be the same without ppl like you. For one, I would loose my daily laughter.

 

[KCConservative]

Lol, if I got a penny for every time you said the word flame. Wow, you just don't get it do you. You're quite amuzing. The forum would not be the same without ppl like you. For one, I would loose my daily laughter.

I guess this means you're not going to answer the question, huh? Just in case you have a change of heart, I asked : Why are you so quick to insult those who disagree with your viewpoint?

By the way, you taught me the word "flame". Remember?

 

[jfuh]

I guess this means you're not going to answer the question, huh? By the way, you taught me the word "flame". Remember?

Wow, you're learning from me? Cool.

 

[KCConservative]

Wow, you're learning from me? Cool.

So back on topic. Post 5 shows how your post contradicts itself. Can you better explain this?