Are Liberals really as ignorant as they seem?

[Integrityrespec]

Liberals want to defund the police? Do liberal not know why we have police and other law enforcement officers? Take a look at history and you see there have always been bad people who have no respect for other people or their possessions and believe its ok to take what you want even if it belongs to someone else. That seems to be ok with the left wing. No police equals chaos and crime. The left have no idea of what they are endorsing.

 

[Redress]

Liberals want to defund the police? Do liberal not know why we have police and other law enforcement officers? Take a look at history and you see there have always been bad people who have no respect for other people or their possessions and believe its ok to take what you want even if it belongs to someone else. That seems to be ok with the left wing. No police equals chaos and crime. The left have no idea of what they are endorsing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/22/abolish-police-gallup-poll/

Apparently it is not liberals who are ignorant...

 

[trouble13]

Liberals want to defund the police? Do liberal not know why we have police and other law enforcement officers? Take a look at history and you see there have always been bad people who have no respect for other people or their possessions and believe its ok to take what you want even if it belongs to someone else. That seems to be ok with the left wing. No police equals chaos and crime. The left have no idea of what they are endorsing.

I say give them what they are demanding.

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[Jason Warfield]

Liberals want to defund the police? Do liberal not know why we have police and other law enforcement officers? Take a look at history and you see there have always been bad people who have no respect for other people or their possessions and believe its ok to take what you want even if it belongs to someone else. That seems to be ok with the left wing. No police equals chaos and crime. The left have no idea of what they are endorsing.

Well...not as ignorant as you appear to be because the talking point you are parroting from whatever conservative pundit you heard it from is incorrect...that is not what defunding the police means.

And if you were honest, you wouldn't have made the post because the definition of defunding the police has been explained over and over and over and over again. The point of defunding the police is to take away the duties of social workers and other departments from the police to allow the police to do their actual jobs. The best way to do that is to go to the police budget and cut those line items that are not related to police matters like being social workers and such...that's where the defunding comes in...and make sure that the police budget pays for proper things like new and up to date equipment, better hiring practices, better training and salaries.

The way the police are being used by local governments makes it almost impossible for the police...to be police. By taking away the funds to train the police to not be police, you get to have the police be officers of the peace. No one is taking away money for the police to be police, money that pays for duties that prevent the police from being proper officers is what is being removed

And I think you know that, but that you are trying to score political points. And if you claim that isn't true, then you are admitting to be either stupid or just a puppet for whatever the pundits tell you to think. Or a combination thereof.

 

[Casper]

I say give them what they are demanding.

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Yet you don't actually know what that is...……..

 

[trouble13]

Yet you don't actually know what that is...……..

I don't care either as long as you keep it where you live. I'm more than fine with you conducting your social experiments. If you dont tell me how to live, I wont tell you how to live either.

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[cherubim]

Given that there is an real-to-life division in the country, it stands to reason that those on both sides of the divide would question the 'intellect' of those on the other side. However, if we can accept the premise that everyone, regardless of side, is not ignorant, then it should be possible to have a conversation that considers the arguments of both sides, and judge each on their merits, rather than by one's 'feelings.' Assuming this would not resolve the divisions because there is no 'lock on the truth' by either side of the divide, then it should be a simple matter to chalk up disagreements to honest differences of opinion. World views, environment, culture, economic status, and other factors all shape the camp to which we align. The camp that prevails is the one that can overcome all others by strength of arms or ideas or both. To the extent ignorance is at play, it is in the failure of one side to understand or identify with the argument(s) of the other.

 

[HacTao]

I say give them what they are demanding.

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Thanks! We can restore traditional policing, education, social work, housing and development projects for the people. I'd like that. Wouldn't you prefer to live in a country that cares for its citizens, and nurtures community bonds, instead of foisting austerity onto the public for the whims of fascists in the suburbs?

 

[j brown's body]

Liberals want to defund the police? Do liberal not know why we have police and other law enforcement officers? Take a look at history and you see there have always been bad people who have no respect for other people or their possessions and believe its ok to take what you want even if it belongs to someone else. That seems to be ok with the left wing. No police equals chaos and crime. The left have no idea of what they are endorsing.

Defunding and abolition probably mean something different from what you are thinking. For most proponents, “defunding the police” does not mean zeroing out budgets for public safety, and police abolition does not mean that police will disappear overnight — or perhaps ever. Defunding the police means shrinking the scope of police responsibilities and shifting most of what government does to keep us safe to entities that are better equipped to meet that need. It means investing more in mental-health care and housing, and expanding the use of community mediation and violence interruption programs.

Police abolition means reducing, with the vision of eventually eliminating, our reliance on policing to secure our public safety. It means recognizing that criminalizing addiction and poverty, making 10 million arrests per year and mass incarceration have not provided the public safety we want and never will. The “abolition” language is important because it reminds us that policing has been the primary vehicle for using violence to perpetuate the unjustified white control over the bodies and lives of black people that has been with us since slavery. That aspect of policing must be literally abolished.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/07/defund-police-heres-what-that-really-means/

I would like to see the police relieved of traffic stops, where police use them to search for bigger crimes, often leading to further problems for the citizen. Have a department that writes tickets and moves on.

I would also like to see a funding check on the military and Homeland Security as well. Both are loaded with outrageous boondoggles and tend to be used for purposes not really relevant to their missions.

 

[trouble13]

Thanks! We can restore traditional policing, education, social work, housing and development projects for the people. I'd like that. Wouldn't you prefer to live in a country that cares for its citizens, and nurtures community bonds, instead of foisting austerity onto the public for the whims of fascists in the suburbs?

I would pefer to live in a country where like minded people can form in groups and vote on what kind of government they wish to have rather than the entire nation living under one centralized gov where the decisions are made by people that the ramifications dont reach. I dont have to agree with you to tolerate you having a community to live by the rules you want as long as I am given space to live equally free from your beliefs.

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[tylerTeach]

Do liberal not know why we have police and other law enforcement officers? Take a look at history and you see there have always been bad people who have no respect for other people or their possessions and believe its ok to take what you want even if it belongs to someone else. That seems to be ok with the left wing. No police equals chaos and crime. The left have no idea of what they are endorsing.

If you take a look at the history of policing in the United States, you'll notice that police departments formed in response to "labor unrest" which took different forms in different areas. In the South, this meant that modern policing evolved out of Slave Patrols and in the Northeast, much of early policing involved taking action against union strikes. I'm pulling those ideas from this source The History Of Police In Creating Social Order In The U.S. : NPR
Now, we come to a point on which we can agree: There have always been people who have no respect for others and who think it's okay to "take what they want even if it belongs to someone else". The disagreement, I would imagine is whether we consider those people to be the slaves and wage laborers fighting for their humanity or the slave-owners and capitalists who profit off the labor of others.

 

[kidkaos2]

And I think you know that, but that you are trying to score political points. And if you claim that isn't true, then you are admitting to be either stupid or just a puppet for whatever the pundits tell you to think. Or a combination thereof.

Given the lack of consistency in defining what precisely defunding the police means, I think it's unfair to assume people are being disingenuous or ignorant when they take the statement at face value. The Democrat platform's “reimagine policing for the benefit and safety of the American people” is pretty vague.

 

[TheParser]

No, those liberals who turn a blind eye to violence are NOT "ignorant."

They are just naive, foolish bleeding hearts.

They are to be pitied.

Some of them (or their loved ones) may eventually have personal experiences that make them rue the day that they supported BLM and ANTIFA and the Democrats.

The monstrous violence currently occurring in Wisconsin is just a terrifying harbinger of the future.

And yet some people insist that this country has a bright future.

Amazing!