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Are guns a problem in the US?

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This graph shows exactly where the problem lies


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How can we be conned that guns are now problem when they are obviously not? Is everybody a slave to what gun control claims?
 
Guns aren't a problem.

People who misuse guns are a big problem.
 
Guns aren't a problem.

People who misuse guns are a big problem.

Which is why we should let them roam freely among us and then try to prevent (only?) them from becoming armed. ;)
 
Which is why we should let them roam freely among us and then try to prevent (only?) them from becoming armed. ;)

We don't know how to do that any better than we could stop people drinking alcohol.
 
Guns aren't a problem.

People who misuse guns are a big problem.

true, but almost all the "solutions" proposed by the Democrat party and its allies target people who DO NOT MISUSE guns
 
We know that guns don't cause crime yet we are always arguing about how to stop people getting guns? What's wrong with this picture?
 
"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another:
reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you
have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force
me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human
interaction falls into one of those two categories, without
exception.

Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively
interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid
method of social interaction and the only thing that re-
moves force from the menu is the personal firearm, as
paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You
have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a
way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound
woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year
old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and
a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys
with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or
numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of
bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd
be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a
firearm makes it easier for an armed mugger to do his job. That,
of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly
disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity
when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule
by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact
opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can
only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted
him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal
that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious
in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute
lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and
come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes
lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not
the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an
octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply
wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal
and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a
fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my
side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I
don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me
to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would
interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who
would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and
that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By
Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally
armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.
 
"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another:
reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you
have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force
me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human
interaction falls into one of those two categories, without
exception.

Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively
interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid
method of social interaction and the only thing that re-
moves force from the menu is the personal firearm, as
paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You
have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a
way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound
woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year
old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and
a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys
with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or
numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of
bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd
be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a
firearm makes it easier for an armed mugger to do his job. That,
of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly
disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity
when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule
by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact
opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can
only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted
him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal
that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious
in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute
lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and
come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes
lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not
the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an
octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply
wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal
and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a
fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my
side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I
don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me
to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would
interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who
would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and
that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By
Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally
armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

Excellent post but I must correct the attribute. This was written by Marko Kloos.

March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos
why the gun is civilization.

https://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/
 
No guns are not the problem. Gangs which use guns to kill each other is the main issue with gun violence in America. I used to think that we should have stricter gun laws. Then, I woke up and really looked at the numbers. The likelihood that I or anyone else that I know will end up the victim of gun violence is so low simply because we don't associate with inner city gang members, and are not involved with drug trafficking. I urge anyone that is terrified of the idea of people owning guns, to take a look at the actual statistics about where almost all of the gun violence happens in America. The War on Drugs has caused massive problems with gun violence in America. Simply put, no one cares about the main victims and perpetrators of gun violence. The young African American male.
 
No guns are not the problem. Gangs which use guns to kill each other is the main issue with gun violence in America. I used to think that we should have stricter gun laws. Then, I woke up and really looked at the numbers. The likelihood that I or anyone else that I know will end up the victim of gun violence is so low simply because we don't associate with inner city gang members, and are not involved with drug trafficking. I urge anyone that is terrified of the idea of people owning guns, to take a look at the actual statistics about where almost all of the gun violence happens in America. The War on Drugs has caused massive problems with gun violence in America. Simply put, no one cares about the main victims and perpetrators of gun violence. The young African American male.

That is one excellent view the other is it is completely silly to ignore the fact guns simply do not cause crime. Therefore no benefit can possibly be obtained by restriction or removing guns. To many that is a quantum leap of logic they simply cannot make because fear gets in the way. It is really a sad day for humanity went people refuse to think.
 
Guns aren't a problem.

People who misuse guns are a big problem.

Which is why we punish bad behaviour as it punishes the perpetrator. However when we seek to remove things from all and sundry the only word that describes it is oppression.
 
This graph shows exactly where the problem lies


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How can we be conned that guns are now problem when they are obviously not? Is everybody a slave to what gun control claims?

Criminals are a problem and the problem is getting worse. Americans need their right to keep and bear arms more than ever.
 
Criminals are a problem and the problem is getting worse. Americans need their right to keep and bear arms more than ever.

I think even gun control advocates would agree on that. What is clear is that at no time in history has gun control reduced crime. That is beautifully illustrated by the graph. I think the discussion should move towards making sure governments effort is directed to crime fighting and not gun control as a false proxy. It stands to reason that the billions spent on gun control so far cannot be recovered but do we need to compound the error by continuing?

Rights are the most important thing we have and we must never lose sight that it is our rights that keep us safe
 
I think even gun control advocates would agree on that. What is clear is that at no time in history has gun control reduced crime. That is beautifully illustrated by the graph. I think the discussion should move towards making sure governments effort is directed to crime fighting and not gun control as a false proxy. It stands to reason that the billions spent on gun control so far cannot be recovered but do we need to compound the error by continuing?

Rights are the most important thing we have and we must never lose sight that it is our rights that keep us safe

I don't know if they. Just last week the government stopped using the word, "convict".
 
I don't know if they. Just last week the government stopped using the word, "convict".

One has to be politically correct or suffer the consequence's of the protectors screeching in the media drumming up support and loss of government votes.

Now if firearm organisations understood that we would have as many rights as criminals do.:lol:
 
One has to be politically correct or suffer the consequence's of the protectors screeching in the media drumming up support and loss of government votes.

Now if firearm organisations understood that we would have as many rights as criminals do.:lol:

We should start referring to guns as, "pressurized impact devices".
 
We should start referring to guns as, "pressurized impact devices".

How about "laxatives for left-wingers" given the effect guns often have on lefties?
 
I prefer "speed for right-wingers" since so many people on the right waste so much time on guns.

how is keeping America free wasting time? the real waste of time (and money) is by Democrats who pretend gun control laws are actually going to restrict criminals.
 
I prefer "speed for right-wingers" since so many people on the right waste so much time on guns.

I suppose claiming it is guns rather than rights allows you to ignore it?
 
how is keeping America free wastingg that time?
the real waste of time (and money) is by Democrats who pretend gun control laws are actually going to restrict criminals.



The real waste of time in the USA is all of the GOPers dreaming that they'll ever control what Democrats do.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time, GOP.
 
We should start referring to guns as, "pressurized impact devices".

:lol:

A better plan would be to raise our voices in objection to gun controls lies and deliberate demonisation of firearm owners. A better plan would be to realise this is a fight over public safety and reassure citizens guns (not gun owners) represent no danger to them. That criminals the government has not arrested and charged do.
 
The real waste of time in the USA is all of the GOPers dreaming that they'll ever control what Democrats do.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time, GOP.

Or vise versa. Liberals want to change the right by rewriting Websters Dictionary, and have been doing it for a very long time/
 
Or vise versa. Liberals want to change the right by rewriting Websters Dictionary, and have been doing it for a very long time/



Wrong. We're going to put the GOP out of business.

Get back with us in about 40 years and we'll talk about it.
 
Wrong. We're going to put the GOP out of business.

Get back with us in about 40 years and we'll talk about it.

You mean after the great war?
 
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