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Are blue states increasingly becoming sanctuary states as G.OP. & SCOTUS "talibanizes"?

Is outflow of red state residents inevitable reaction to, consequence of what is described in OP?

  • There is no telling whether outflow will occur because of intense indoctrination on poorly educated

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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12 states continue refusal to expand medicaid, intentionally separating millions of their poorest residents from access to any medical care other
than emergency care mandated by law only to stabilize and discharge from care.

Increasingly, the SCOTUS majority and G.O.P. controlled state governments, putting it politely, exhibit a strong bias towards defending the "rights" of white christian males and of compliant corporations versus the rights of all others.

The legislators in red states increasingly weaponize legislation with support of governors, based on lies and other perceived grievances against
women minorities, public school administrators and staff and even against corporate leaders they disagree with.

13 of 15 states with lowest adult education levels have G.O.P. controlled state legislatures.

The affect of this recent SCOTUS encouraged madness is to reduce the access of all women to womens health services,

The strategy is to make access to safe, legal abortion unavailable if you cannot afford airplane travel to some distant
jurisdiction with abortion services not overwhelmed by adjacent red state legislative or SCOTUS prohibition.:

Craziness :
NY Post :
Pregnancy from rape an 'opportunity,' Ohio Rep. Jean Schmidt says
4 hours ago

The emphasis in 2022 is on forcing victims of rape or incest to carry and give birth to their abusers' babies,

Apparently We Don't Need Abortion Because of Adoption ...​

https://msmagazine.com › 2021/12/14 › abortion-adopt...

Dec 14, 2021 — In Dobbs v. Jackson, Amy Coney Barrett said the right to an abortion is unnecessary because of adoption, foster care and safe haven laws.

G.O.P. sanctioned, excessive police violence and police "revenue extraction" will become more acute in red states and
who is disproportionally targeted by police for such attention?

The Demand for Money Behind Many Police Traffic Stops

https://www.nytimes.com ›
Nov 2, 2021 — Over 730 municipalities rely on fines and fees for at least 10 percent ... states — Ohio, Oklahoma and Virginia — where police traffic stops ...

Nearly 600 Towns Get 10% Of Their Budgets (Or More) From Court Fines ..hundreds of America’s worst speed traps. Most are in just four states: Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma.​

www.forbes.com

Nick Sibilla
Aug 29, 2019,

"....80 relied on fines to generate over half of their budget revenue. .."
 
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It's cute that you think people are fleeing red states. The truth is people are fleeing blue states and their destinations are red states.

FAIL.

There are some red states with lots of outbound moves in that list as well. From the looks of it, people are largely moving out of colder states and into warmer states with the exception of some Western states where people are moving there for outdoor opportunities.
 

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It's cute that you think people are fleeing red states. The truth is people are fleeing blue states and their destinations are red states.

FAIL.

The pain is coming.... the effects have not caught up with the vandalism white christian males have been hyper-driving.

People prefer to be able to vote uneventfully, for example, without off-duty cops and special forces "volunteer" poll watchers
"greeting" them at their polling places on election day.

I don't know a mother of rapist's or of a male family member's baby, do you?

Women still expect to be able to make an appointment with a gynecologist and obtain a prescription for birth control...
In 2019, the University of Georgia said it would end the medical school's obstetrics program if the strict abortion law
since stayed by court order was implemented.

Doctors may not get abortion training if Supreme Court ...

https://thehill.com › enrichment › education › 3471732...
5 hours ago — "A new study analyzed how abortion training would be impacted if the Supreme Court rules to overturn Roe v. Wade. Researchers found that 44 ..."

Successful, better educated adults are not going to continue to reside in shithole states...

Leaving home: West Virginia population drop is largest in US

https://apnews.com › article › al-state-wire-west-virginia...
May 22, 2021 — From 2010 to 2020, the population dropped 3.2%, or about 59,000 people. Because of that, West Virginia was one of only seven states to lose ...

West Virginia's Population Decline Hits Cities Hard - WV ...

https://wvmetronews.com › 2021/08/27 › west-virginias...
Aug 27, 2021 — The 2020 U.S. Census data released earlier this month showed that West Virginia's population declined by 3.3 percent in the last decade, ...

The pandemic effect is confusing prior trends and the hyper radicalization of Trump's G.O.P. confuses trends even more.
I'm confident the majority yearns to move forward, not to CPAC's Hungarian "model".

The most populous Trump 2020 "victory city" was the 25th most populous, Oklahoma City.

April 20, 2022
"..
Editor's note: This story has been updated to correct the number of people who moved out of Manhattan during the first year of the pandemic.

Bend, Oregon, is in the middle of nowhere—two and a half hours from Eugene over a mountain pass that can be treacherous even in springtime. And that’s what people like about it.

“People were already coming here in hordes, and then it just exploded in the pandemic,” said Lynne McConnell, the city’s housing director. “More would be coming if we had housing to accommodate them.”

In states around the country, people who moved early in the pandemic were attracted to wide-open spaces in relatively obscure towns rather than the big cities that had attracted millennials in the previous decade, according to U.S. Census Bureau statistics and Stateline analysis of postal change-of-address data..."
 
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There are quite a few red states on the outbound side your list. That link doesn't show what you think it does.
We are still experiencing a baby boomer retirement wave, the youngest, born in 1964, are only turning 58 this year.
They tend to be whiter, more christian, more Trump-G.O.P. supporting than younger residents and they are more amenable to
moving to warmer climate, lower cost of living states with G.O.P. controlled state governments.

They are not of reproductive age and do not have to take the longer view of younger residents who have to decide where to
raise and school their children and how important science and facts based government policy and legislative impetus is in
their everyday lives.

Younger residents in the 12 states refusing to expand medicaid who have chronic illnesses that affect their ability to earn a reliable,
consistent income are ideal candidates for residence in the other 39 states and DC.

The craziness and dishonesty reported today of Hannity, Meadows, MJT, and Musk do not distract from the premise of this poll.





 
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12 states continue refusal to expand medicaid, intentionally separating millions of their poorest residents from access to any medical care other
than emergency care mandated by law only to stabilize and discharge from care.

Increasingly, the SCOTUS majority and G.O.P. controlled state governments, putting it politely, exhibit a strong bias towards defending the "rights" of white christian males and of compliant corporations versus the rights of all others.

The legislators in red states increasingly weaponize legislation with support of governors, based on lies and other perceived grievances against
women minorities, public school administrators and staff and even against corporate leaders they disagree with.

13 of 15 states with lowest adult education levels have G.O.P. controlled state legislatures.

The affect of this recent SCOTUS encouraged madness is to reduce the access of all women to womens health services,

The strategy is to make access to safe, legal abortion unavailable if you cannot afford airplane travel to some distant
jurisdiction with abortion services not overwhelmed by adjacent red state legislative or SCOTUS prohibition.:

Craziness :
NY Post :
Pregnancy from rape an 'opportunity,' Ohio Rep. Jean Schmidt says
4 hours ago

The emphasis in 2022 is on forcing victims of rape or incest to carry and give birth to their abusers' babies,

Apparently We Don't Need Abortion Because of Adoption ...

https://msmagazine.com › 2021/12/14 › abortion-adopt...
Dec 14, 2021 — In Dobbs v. Jackson, Amy Coney Barrett said the right to an abortion is unnecessary because of adoption, foster care and safe haven laws.

G.O.P. sanctioned, excessive police violence and police "revenue extraction" will become more acute in red states and
who is disproportionally targeted by police for such attention?

The Demand for Money Behind Many Police Traffic Stops

https://www.nytimes.com ›
Nov 2, 2021 — Over 730 municipalities rely on fines and fees for at least 10 percent ... states — Ohio, Oklahoma and Virginia — where police traffic stops ...

Nearly 600 Towns Get 10% Of Their Budgets (Or More) From Court Fines ..hundreds of America’s worst speed traps. Most are in just four states: Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma.​

www.forbes.com

Nick Sibilla
Aug 29, 2019,

"....80 relied on fines to generate over half of their budget revenue. .."

I can tell you why Texas did not opt for expanded Medicaid. While it sounds like a great deal to get $9 in “free” federal aid for spending $1 in additional state aid, that $1 in additional state aid must be paid for.

Since Texas lacks a state income tax, it must raise sales and/or property taxes in order to get that additional revenue. Sales and/or property tax increases would penalize (place additional tax burdens on) the most poor in order to give that additional aid to the less poor.
 

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I can tell you why Texas did not opt for expanded Medicaid. While it sounds like a great deal to get $9 in “free” federal aid for spending $1 in additional state aid, that $1 in additional state aid must be paid for.

Since Texas lacks a state income tax, it must raise sales and/or property taxes in order to get that additional revenue. Sales and/or property tax increases would penalize (place additional tax burdens on) the most poor in order to give that additional aid to the less poor.
So, the folks who cannot afford to see a doctor and then pay for a prescription who go untreated and end up in a hospital E.R.
do not incur an expense they cannot pay the cost of? Biden offered Texas and the other 11, two years of 100 percent reimbursement and
they still refused.

There is no facts supported argument that it is cheaper, overall, for any state to refuse to expand medicaid and the funds accompanying expansion.

One percent incarceration rates are a feature of most of the 12 states. What is the cost of that, compared to policies in more
civilized states?
 

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12 states continue refusal to expand medicaid, intentionally separating millions of their poorest residents from access to any medical care other
than emergency care mandated by law only to stabilize and discharge from care.
Which 12 states?
 

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People are fleeing California and New York.
They are going to Texas and Florida. :)
o_O

Then why does California's population continue to rise?
 

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What a myopic poll !
  • Yes, conditions in red states can only degrade further
    My state is migrating from Red to Purple. It does not follow that all Red states are doomed to go over the cliff

  • "Crash Programs" expanding construction of living units in blue states is in order, now!
    Silly, just silly.

  • There is no telling whether outflow will occur because of intense indoctrination on poorly educated
    "No telling" is reasonable, "indoctrination" and "poorly educated" is hysterical.

  • I disagree because the cost of living is so much more attractive in red states than blue
    Cost of living depends primarily on how hot the state's economy is. Which does not depend on whether the state is Red or Blue.
Oh well
 

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Which 12 states?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/1...why-thats-a-problem-for-all-of-us-11631225743

12 states still refuse to expand Medicaid. Why that's a problem for all of us​

im-398467


The 2015 map below influenced me to view the G.O.P. controlled states as structured for avoidable misery and failure.
Their understaffed, overcrowded prisons encourage corrupt administration by underpaying the staff. So many more working
age males are jailed and upon release have difficulty finding anyone to hire them. They are prohibited from receiving medical
care they cannot pay for except in emergency rooms...

11 of 13 highest per capita incarceration states are among the current 12 states refusing medicaid expansion.

States of Incarceration: The Global Context 2021


Criminal justice policy in every region of the United States is out of step with the rest of the world.

www.prisonpolicy.org

..the highest per capita incarceration rates in the world,

In Massachusetts, 275 per 100,000, in New Jersey, 341, in New York, 376, in Connecticut, 394.

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I didn't vote, I would have chosen yes, until the demographics of red states reach a tipping point.
 

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So, the folks who cannot afford to see a doctor and then pay for a prescription who go untreated and end up in a hospital E.R.
do not incur an expense they cannot pay the cost of? Biden offered Texas and the other 11, two years of 100 percent reimbursement and
they still refused.

There is no facts supported argument that it is cheaper, overall, for any state to refuse to expand medicaid and the funds accompanying expansion.

One percent incarceration rates are a feature of most of the 12 states. What is the cost of that, compared to policies in more
civilized states?

When you quote my post, the least you could to is to address its content. Instead you invent a straw man (bolded above).

Your last statement is 100% unrealted to anything in my post as well.

HAND
 

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When you quote my post, the least you could to is to address its content. Instead you invent a straw man (bolded above).

Your last statement is 100% unrealted to anything in my post as well.

HAND
They resist the referendum result for two years despite court orders, after forcing voters to resort to a constitutional referendum
vote in the first place and have no actual evidence medicaid expansion would cost Missouri more, overall, than not expanding...

The original objection invented by G.O.P. was that the 90 percent federal reimbursement could not be depended on in the future.
They did not disclose that the reason was they expected to repeal the ACA or persuade the SCOTUS to rule it unconstitutional.

Missouri Supreme Court backs Medicaid expansion in ...

https://www.healthcaredive.com › news › missouri-supr...
Jul 23, 2021 — "Missouri's highest court ruled Thursday that the state must expand Medicaid coverage to about 275,000 people, overturning a lower court ruling ..."

Then, even after all of the above, the state claimed it had not readied computer systems to register newly eligible residents...

State asks judge to delay Missouri Medicaid expansion for two ...​

https://www.joplinglobe.com › news › local_news › state-...

Aug 6, 2021 — JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — The Missouri Supreme Court ruled last month that the state must expand Medicaid as voters approved in 2020.

April 13, 2022

A constitutional amendment asking Missourians to let lawmakers decide year-to-year whether the state will offer Medicaid to working-age adults moved closer to passage on Wednesday.

By an 8-5 vote, the Senate Appropriations Committee sent the House-passed proposal to the full Senate for debate. Only Sen. Lincoln Hough, R-Springfield, voted with Democrats to oppose the measure, which is seen by critics as an effort to roll back voter-approved Medicaid expansion.

If approved in the Senate, the measure would appear on the August or November election ballot.

Since Oct. 1, just over 100,000 people have enrolled in the program that provides medical coverage for people with incomes less than 138% of the federal poverty limit. In the budget for the fiscal year that begins July 1, the cost of expansion is pegged at $2.5 billion.

The House-passed budget plan does not use any general revenue to pay the cost. Instead, it taps extra federal funds being sent to Missouri because it expanded eligibility to pay a part of the state’s 10% match.

The amendment debated Wednesday is intended to give future lawmakers options when the state hits tough economic times, committee Chairman Dan Hegeman, R-Cosby, said after the vote. “I have always had the concern that at some point in time, in the future, we will be pitting other general revenue-source expenditures against the expanded medicaid because there was no other funding mechanism included,” he said. In August 2020, Missouri voters approved a constitutional amendment requiring the state to offer Medicaid coverage to adults between the ages of 19 to 64. Prior to passage, only very low income adults with children were eligible for coverage and no working-age adults without children could enroll.."
 

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They resist the referendum result for two years despite court orders, after forcing voters to resort to a constitutional referendum
vote in the first place and have no actual evidence medicaid expansion would cost Missouri more, overall, than not expanding...

The original objection invented by G.O.P. was that the 90 percent federal reimbursement could not be depended on in the future.
They did not disclose that the reason was they expected to repeal the ACA or persuade the SCOTUS to rule it unconstitutional.

Missouri Supreme Court backs Medicaid expansion in ...

https://www.healthcaredive.com › news › missouri-supr...
Jul 23, 2021 — "Missouri's highest court ruled Thursday that the state must expand Medicaid coverage to about 275,000 people, overturning a lower court ruling ..."

April 13, 2022

A constitutional amendment asking Missourians to let lawmakers decide year-to-year whether the state will offer Medicaid to working-age adults moved closer to passage on Wednesday.

By an 8-5 vote, the Senate Appropriations Committee sent the House-passed proposal to the full Senate for debate. Only Sen. Lincoln Hough, R-Springfield, voted with Democrats to oppose the measure, which is seen by critics as an effort to roll back voter-approved Medicaid expansion.

If approved in the Senate, the measure would appear on the August or November election ballot.

Since Oct. 1, just over 100,000 people have enrolled in the program that provides medical coverage for people with incomes less than 138% of the federal poverty limit. In the budget for the fiscal year that begins July 1, the cost of expansion is pegged at $2.5 billion.

The House-passed budget plan does not use any general revenue to pay the cost. Instead, it taps extra federal funds being sent to Missouri because it expanded eligibility to pay a part of the state’s 10% match.

The amendment debated Wednesday is intended to give future lawmakers options when the state hits tough economic times, committee Chairman Dan Hegeman, R-Cosby, said after the vote. “I have always had the concern that at some point in time, in the future, we will be pitting other general revenue-source expenditures against the expanded medicaid because there was no other funding mechanism included,” he said. In August 2020, Missouri voters approved a constitutional amendment requiring the state to offer Medicaid coverage to adults between the ages of 19 to 64. Prior to passage, only very low income adults with children were eligible for coverage and no working-age adults without children could enroll.."

WTF does Missouri have to do with Texas? Am I to assume that you are simply too poor to pay attention or that you just like posting endless examples of stuff which has nothing to do with my posts?
 

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12 states continue refusal to expand medicaid, intentionally separating millions of their poorest residents from access to any medical care other
than emergency care mandated by law only to stabilize and discharge from care.

Increasingly, the SCOTUS majority and G.O.P. controlled state governments, putting it politely, exhibit a strong bias towards defending the "rights" of white christian males and of compliant corporations versus the rights of all others.

The legislators in red states increasingly weaponize legislation with support of governors, based on lies and other perceived grievances against
women minorities, public school administrators and staff and even against corporate leaders they disagree with.

13 of 15 states with lowest adult education levels have G.O.P. controlled state legislatures.

The affect of this recent SCOTUS encouraged madness is to reduce the access of all women to womens health services,

The strategy is to make access to safe, legal abortion unavailable if you cannot afford airplane travel to some distant
jurisdiction with abortion services not overwhelmed by adjacent red state legislative or SCOTUS prohibition.:

Craziness :
NY Post :
Pregnancy from rape an 'opportunity,' Ohio Rep. Jean Schmidt says
4 hours ago

The emphasis in 2022 is on forcing victims of rape or incest to carry and give birth to their abusers' babies,

Apparently We Don't Need Abortion Because of Adoption ...

https://msmagazine.com › 2021/12/14 › abortion-adopt...
Dec 14, 2021 — In Dobbs v. Jackson, Amy Coney Barrett said the right to an abortion is unnecessary because of adoption, foster care and safe haven laws.

G.O.P. sanctioned, excessive police violence and police "revenue extraction" will become more acute in red states and
who is disproportionally targeted by police for such attention?

The Demand for Money Behind Many Police Traffic Stops

https://www.nytimes.com ›
Nov 2, 2021 — Over 730 municipalities rely on fines and fees for at least 10 percent ... states — Ohio, Oklahoma and Virginia — where police traffic stops ...

Nearly 600 Towns Get 10% Of Their Budgets (Or More) From Court Fines ..hundreds of America’s worst speed traps. Most are in just four states: Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma.​

www.forbes.com

Nick Sibilla
Aug 29, 2019,

"....80 relied on fines to generate over half of their budget revenue. .."
This entire premise is weird as we already know people are fleeing blue states for red states.
 

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This entire premise is weird as we already know people are fleeing blue states for red states.

It’s simply an excuse to go on yet another lengthy bash random red states (for a variety of reasons) rant.
 

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I'm a little surprised about WI.

But really, should I care if these states have a sudden drop in life expectancy? I mean, this is what they voted for.

Nobody actually cares about those states.
 

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I love the theory, absolute bullshit hyper-partisan theory, but theory nonetheless that we have been proceeding along this straight path with few changes or events and all of a sudden conservatism turned towards the Christian Taliban for no reason.

Now, do not pretend for a second that I look at where today's GOP is at as warranted or supported by me.

But I think we should dispense with some silly idea that our duopoly of a political system has not been largely broken and increasingly worthless going back to the days of ole womanizing Bill Clinton as President dealing with ironically womanizing Newt Gingrich as Speaker of the House.

Each iteration of the political pendulum going back and forth between Republicans and Democrats for President and control of Congress has been a continual series of one upping the previous lot in doing things the other vehemently opposes. That 'we are right' and 'you are wrong' with us or against us mentality is mature enough that it is asinine, absolute stupidity in the making, to not see red and blue states become further entrenched in being red or blue with only a handful of exceptions district to district then state to state.

You geniuses think Bush 43 was a really a unifier? Or that Obama was? Or that CheetoVonBannedTweeto was? Each President made it more possible for the next, each control over Congress made is possible for the next flip.

Elections have consequences and by the time 'grab em by the *****' Trump got in office he was able to pull off 3 nominations to seated Supreme Court Justices and now you question how we ended up here?

Could have been a better candidate running against Trump but hell no, Hillary was the alternative with all that baggage and all her fake liberalism.

Our divisions are now so deep and so impossible to mend that we will see at least 18-20 states stay solidly Red for at least the next 2-3 generations with another 16-18 states stay solidly blue for the same timeframe if not longer.

Swing districts to a few swing states have always made the difference except now the 'us vs. them' mentality ironically places the onus on independents and moderates that cannot stand party extremism anymore than party extremism can stand anyone else.

We did this, entirely, because we allowed two front running parties to get so out of control... so 50% + 1... we can see not just state to state divisions but eventually we will see entire economic models established around ideological lines. Oh wait, we are doing that already too.

Wake the **** up people, and quit pretending one party is all noble and the other is the ass crack of politics. Turns out party politics, ideological extremism, made both of these establishments the ass cracks of society.
 
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