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are any of these true?

Watergate comes to mind.
 
I happen to think there is credibility in the Downing Street Minutes conspiracy.
 
americanwoman said:
Was there ever a conspiracy theory that turned out to be true?
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Well, there is always that old one about God conspiring with Adam and that snake to frame Eve.
 
americanwoman said:
Was there ever a conspiracy theory that turned out to be true?
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MKULTRA,COINTELPRO, Operation North Woods, USS Maine, Leon Trotsky Assassination, Lincoln Assassination, Tobacco Industry, Iran-Contra, Dreyfus Affair to name a few.
 
Iriemon said:
Watergate comes to mind.
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Conspiracies are real, conspiracy theories are another matter. The term ‘conspiracy theory’ has a certain meaning, it is not just any old theory about a conspiracy.

Conspiracy theories have certain attributes: much evidence is hidden, any evidence the debunks the theory is said to be set up by the conspirators, many organizations have to be 'in' on the conspiracy, etc. Evidence to support the can theory can never be found, because it is alway completely covered up.

So, with the moon lands conspiracy, all the astronauts, many employees of NASA, US govt and other organizations are part of the conspiracy; all the evidence for the landings is said to be set up, the debunking is never fully answered,

9/11 is much the same.

Watergate was not a conspiracy theory. There was plenty of evidence to support the investigators: they look for, and found, evidence. If it was a REAL conspiracy theory, there would have been a cover up so big that it could not be found.

If investigators wanted to find evidence for a conspiracy theory, they could: surely at least one employee of NASA or the government could be persuaded?

Here's a conspiracy theory: Tony Blair has resigned so that he and Bush can set up a world government when Bush leaves office. Blair is leaving now to persuade the EU to join in. The conspiracy is so good, that all evidence is hidden. You can't find any evidence to debunk this because it is all hidden.
Thus a conspiracy is born and because no one can debunk it, it must be true.
 
From the 1950s to the 1970s, the CIA and the U.S. Army operated a
research program into mind control, code-named MKULTRA. In this
program, CIA agents gave LSD and other drugs to unwitting and
unconsenting victims, in an effort to devise a working "truth serum"
and/or mind-control drug. MKULTRA was uncovered by Presidential and
Congressional research committees in 1975, and discontinued at that
time.
 
Conspiracies are real, conspiracy theories are another matter.
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Many prominent political scandals in the US began as "conspiracy theories"; once incontrovertibly proven true, however, it is no longer a "theory"; it is a fact, and we assimilate it, and it becomes part of our history.
The Tuskegee Experiments, for instance.
Who would have thought such a thing could be true?
I would've been the first to call you insane if you'd tried to tell me about it in 1970, when it was still in progress.
Now, it's just like... oh yeah. Well. Tuskegee. Yeah, we did that.
But it was like 35 years ago, and we only did it to poor blacks, so who cares, right?
:roll:
The US government also involuntarily sterilized about 100,000 poor people involuntarily, mainly minorities, during this century. This continued all the way up until the 1970s, and only came to light in the mid-90s.
 
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1069 said:
The Tuskegee Experiments, for instance.
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I never heard of that before. Geez! Was there successful treatments at the time for advanced stage syphillis? Nevermind I know how to google and it's about time I quit being a lazy biatch. If there were known successful treatments and they just let these guys rot away that's horrifying!
 
talloulou said:
I never heard of that before. Geez! Was there successful treatments at the time for advanced stage syphillis? Nevermind I know how to google and it's about time I quit being a lazy biatch. If there were known successful treatments and they just let these guys rot away that's horrifying!
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Well, yeah. Of course by 1970, there were.
There were successful treatments for syph as soon as penicillin and other antibiotics were discovered and became widely available (WWII era).
Before that, it was treated with sulpha, with varying degrees of success.
 
I've seen a couple here on DP turn out to be true...;)
 
Iran contra affair..

Monica L. And Bill C.... Conspiracy to use the oval office as thier pleasure dome.

CIA Hanson for decades....
 
There is also the conspiracy of FDA and the drug makers. Ever wonder whatever happened to the whistle blower, he seemingly dissapeared from the public eye. Still today we see drugs being pulled from the market because of many deffects.
 
A switch in time to save nine.
 
There was apparently a conspiracy by American automobile manufacturers- in conjunction with the US government- to squash the development and distribution of a solar-powered car that somebody invented awhile back.
Apparently they killed the inventor/s.
Don't ask me the details; I have no idea.
It's one of those boring things my husband is always rambling on about.

Then there was the conspiracy theory about the tobacco industry and the government conspiring to conceal the health risks of smoking from the American public.
That one turned out to be true, of course.

There's the town of Libby, Montana, where the main industry was a factory that produced asbestos; all of the residents are now either dead of or dying of lung cancer, even children.
There was a cover-up, since exposed.
There's a good documentary about it: Libby, Montana.
More info: link
 
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Libby, Montana - Visitor Information & Guide


I wonder if these people know about it?
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Yes, they do "know".
Their houses and yards are infested with asbestos-infested vermiculite from the mine. The track at the high school is made not of crushed gravel but of asbestos-laden vermiculite.
The CDC and other government entities, wearing futuristic-looking spacesuits and respirators, have been in town for three or four years now, attempting to clean up and make things livable again.
The residents who remain in Libby are too poor to move, or remain for personal reasons (like New Orleans during Katrina).
They are all suffering, to one degree or another, from mesothelioma, a virulent form of lung cancer.
Instead of evacuating the town until clean-up is completed, the government has advised the remaining citizens of Libby to try their best not to "disturb" the vermiculite which festoons their homes, schools, and businesses, and with which their streets and driveways are paved.
Regardless of this effort, every home in Libby has tested positive for carcinogenic asbestos particles; it's in the carpets, the curtains, their clothes, their hair.
In ten years, they'll all be dead.
 
1069 said:
Yes, they do "know".
Their houses and yards are infested with asbestos-infested vermiculite from the mine. The track at the high school is made not of crushed gravel but of asbestos-laden vermiculite.
The CDC and other government entities, wearing futuristic-looking spacesuits and respirators, have been in town for three or four years now, attempting to clean up and make things livable again.
The residents who remain in Libby are too poor to move, or remain for personal reasons (like New Orleans during Katrina).
They are all suffering, to one degree or another, from mesothelioma, a virulent form of lung cancer.
Instead of evacuating the town until clean-up is completed, the government has advised the remaining citizens of Libby to try their best not to "disturb" the vermiculite which festoons their homes, schools, and businesses, and with which their streets and driveways are paved.
Regardless of this effort, every home in Libby has tested positive for carcinogenic asbestos particles; it's in the carpets, the curtains, their clothes, their hair.
In ten years, they'll all be dead.
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You make it sound like its a virus when its really just a mineral that’s been mined and used since the time of the Romans. Can I have a link for your source? I would like to know the fiber count for the area.

Oh those “futuristic-looking spacesuits” are just paper jump suits. How do I know this? The first job I had after the Marines was doing asbestos abatement.

Imagine the average fiber count for roadways because for year and years car brakes used asbestos?
 
1069 said:
There's the town of Libby, Montana, where the main industry was a factory that produced asbestos; all of the residents are now either dead of or dying of lung cancer, even children.
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Link to this claim? Sounds ludicrously false to me.

1069 said:
The residents who remain in Libby are too poor to move, or remain for personal reasons (like New Orleans during Katrina).
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O RLY?

Libby, MT Demographics:

About 10.0% of families and 16.3% of the population were below the poverty line, including 22.9% of those under age 18 and 12.5% of those age 65 or over.
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Doesn't sound like a hotbed of poverty to me.

They are all suffering, to one degree or another, from mesothelioma, a virulent form of lung cancer.
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Again, link to source?

In ten years, they'll all be dead.
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See above.
 
1069 said:
Don't bother.
He doesn't want to believe it, so he won't.
Maybe that's the very essence of a "conspiracy theory".
It's a truth that the majority of people don't wish to believe.
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I looked at both the links that were provided, and neither one supported any of your claims, btw.

And you're right, I don't want to believe things that you just made up. If you can provide a source for them, I'll gladly believe. If not, then you shouldn't continue to knowingly repeat falsehoods.
 
I can't believe that Roswell, Kecksburg, and the "lights" over DC ain't been mentioned yet. Those are like the most famousest of all conspiracy theories of ALL TIME!!!! So I guess I'll throw them into this coagulation of conspiracies/theories.

Roswell, NM: I look at the news papers. One day the air force says it's a ufo, then a couple days later they say it's a weather balloon. So were the air force administrators admitting that they're too stupid to know the difference between a ufo and one of their own weather balloons? [I hope y'all know the rest of it by now, but I can ellaborate if asked].

Kecksburg, PA: Ok, this one isn't as well known, but I saw Sci-fi Channel and History Channel docs about it.
Here's the story about it, if you're not familiar with it: Kecksburg UFO incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Washington, DC: Lights were spotted over Washington DC, were just dismissed as being glares on clouds from the cars below. :roll:
UFOs Over Washington - The Washington DC Lights
[I don't know how credible this site is, but it looks accurate, based on what I already know. But it's just to give you the idea].

I actually believe that this stuff happend. Whether or not it was aliens or gov't secret projects, I don't have a definite answer. We probably won't know until the gov't either fesses up or if Spock gets his pointy-earred self down here and shakes hands with GWB (or who ever the next prez is). :mrgreen:
 
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