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Apologists: Women Like Wearing the Hijab

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Women protesting against the forced wearing of the hijab in Iran after the Islamic Revolution, 1979. Unfortunately, we all know how that turned out…
 

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Women protest having to cover their nipples in America too

.... I would show you photos but this is a christian site and such indecency against god is heavily censored
 

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In secular states, wearing the hijab is a choice. I 100% support a secular state. However, in some states there is not that decision. If you are making a point that there are states that do not offer the option to wear a hijab or not, I say I am against such policy.
 

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Iran is relatively advanced as far as republics go in that region.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Iran-a-democracy

It used to be extremely progressive. As was Afghanistan. As was, apparently, Osama Bin Laden...at least they all were back in the 1970's.

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A 14-year-old Osama Bin Laden (circled) on holiday with 21 of his siblings in Falun, Sweden, in 1971


Thing have been moving backwards, may explain Trump. He's right out of the 30's.
 

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Women protest having to cover their nipples in America too

.... I would show you photos but this is a christian site and such indecency against god is heavily censored

I hate that rule
 

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I hate that rule

Yeah, but the women that show up for those protests might make you reconsider. You'll be thinking something like "you know, after seeing your breasts I'm not sure if I support your cause".
 

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It used to be extremely progressive. As was Afghanistan. As was, apparently, Osama Bin Laden...at least they all were back in the 1970's.

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A 14-year-old Osama Bin Laden (circled) on holiday with 21 of his siblings in Falun, Sweden, in 1971


Thing have been moving backwards, may explain Trump. He's right out of the 30's.
That's an amazing picture!

Thank you for posting!

Yeah, I think maybe we'd be a lot happier and more peaceful & accepting if we *all* could go back to 1971!
 

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It used to be extremely progressive. As was Afghanistan. As was, apparently, Osama Bin Laden...at least they all were back in the 1970's.

article-1384019-0BEEA55500000578-788_634x471.jpg

A 14-year-old Osama Bin Laden (circled) on holiday with 21 of his siblings in Falun, Sweden, in 1971


Thing have been moving backwards, may explain Trump. He's right out of the 30's.

Wow. That's almost unbelievable.

What the hell happened to the ME?
 

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It used to be extremely progressive. As was Afghanistan. As was, apparently, Osama Bin Laden...at least they all were back in the 1970's.

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A 14-year-old Osama Bin Laden (circled) on holiday with 21 of his siblings in Falun, Sweden, in 1971


Thing have been moving backwards, may explain Trump. He's right out of the 30's.

Am I sick for noticing that the sign in the window could be rearranged to 'FDNY'?
 

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Wow. That's almost unbelievable.

What the hell happened to the ME?


The progressive leaders of the ME didn't want to give us their oil. So western powers made sure that they didn't stay in charge, paving the way (and sometimes enabling) for Islamist leaders to take charge.
 

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The progressive leaders of the ME didn't want to give us their oil. So western powers made sure that they didn't stay in charge, paving the way (and sometimes enabling) for Islamist leaders to take charge.

Who are you considering "progressive"?

Nasser?
 

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Wow. That's almost unbelievable.

What the hell happened to the ME?

Fall of the Ottoman Empire, WWI, Western Imperialism, decolonization, the rise of Wahhabism:
Quick (Ok, maybe not quick) overview of Wahhabism and its role in radicalization, as presented by the Islamic Supreme Council of America (wiki page). To try to keep this a relatively disinterested response, I decided to only quote a self-proclaimed moderate, progressive association of Muslims to show the discord within the religious community. If you do not trust it, you should judge the source of this information yourself - I'd be happy to hear what you find.
Some cherry-picked quotes:
The origins of nearly all of the 20th century's Islamic extremist movements lie in a new Islamic theology and ideology developed in the 18th and 19th centuries in tribal areas of the eastern Arabian Peninsula. The source of this new stream of thought was a Muslim scholar named Muhammad ibn Abd-al Wahhab, hence the name "Wahhabism." [T]he "Wahhabi" ideology is built on the concept of political enforcement of religious beliefs, thus permitting no differences in faith whatsoever. In "Wahhabi" belief, faith is not necessarily an option; it is sometimes mandated by force. Anyone who did not profess to this new ideology was considered outside of the realm of Islam - an apostate, disbeliever or idolater, thus making the shedding of their blood and confiscation of their wealth permitted.
A struggle ensued between the staunchly orthodox Ottoman Empire and the "Wahhabi" tribes. The Wahhabis were put down until the eventual dismantling of the Ottoman Empire in the 1920s and the dissolution of its influence. Finding a new opportunity among the tribes, Wahhabis were able to reinstate their beliefs and assert their influence on Muslims of the Peninsula. Gradually from 1920 until today, they were very successful in establishing an "accepted" new ideology in Islam whose essential characteristic is extreme views and interpretations, as contrasted with traditional Sunni Islam. Coming under the guise of reform of the religion, the movement gathered momentum in the last three decades with support from a number of wealthy individuals. As it has grown, the movement mutated and splintered, with the eventual outcome that some groups went to the extreme in radicalization of their beliefs.
The Wahhabi mentality asserts that Islam may be reformed by means of the sword. Thus the movement has manifested itself as armed insurrections throughout the world, especially where governments are weak and unable to resist aggression effectively. The extremists who have turned militant declare war against anyone with viewpoints contrary to theirs; thus, declaration of war against a government is commonplace. In Egypt, they oppose their government. Similarly in Jordan, they oppose their government. In Syria, Pakistan, Algeria, and many other countries "Wahhabi-minded" groups oppose their governments as they have begun to do in the Caucasus and Central Asia. The approach of these movements is to infiltrate mosques, Islamic teaching centers, and charitable organizations from where they indoctrinate religiously oriented people with their ideas and methods. They forcefully impose their views on weak societies, in hopes of conquering one and establishing a base for further control. They justify their militant acts and illegal means of financing their cause by claiming to wage a "jihad" for the preservation of Islam.
It is very well known that certain networks have flourished in many countries throughout the world. Small but well-financed militant movements arise, coming against their government and the common people, instigating conflict. The danger lies when an outside government supports such extremist movements under the false impression that this constitutes preserving religious freedom. To understand such movements, one must understand the scope of Islam and the psychology of Muslims, since what we are seeing today is an ideological movement turned militant. It is important to note that the Wahhabi ideology itself is extreme in its interpretation and can turn militant over time.
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It used to be extremely progressive. As was Afghanistan. As was, apparently, Osama Bin Laden...at least they all were back in the 1970's.

article-1384019-0BEEA55500000578-788_634x471.jpg

A 14-year-old Osama Bin Laden (circled) on holiday with 21 of his siblings in Falun, Sweden, in 1971


Thing have been moving backwards, may explain Trump. He's right out of the 30's.

That's ridiculous...
 

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It used to be extremely progressive. As was Afghanistan. As was, apparently, Osama Bin Laden...at least they all were back in the 1970's.

article-1384019-0BEEA55500000578-788_634x471.jpg

A 14-year-old Osama Bin Laden (circled) on holiday with 21 of his siblings in Falun, Sweden, in 1971


Thing have been moving backwards, may explain Trump. He's right out of the 30's.

That's an amazing picture!

Thank you for posting!

Yeah, I think maybe we'd be a lot happier and more peaceful & accepting if we *all* could go back to 1971!

Wow. That's almost unbelievable.

What the hell happened to the ME?

To be fair, the photo was taken in Sweden while the family was traveling. It's a case of "While in Rome, do as the Romans do," more than anything else.

The ME was a tad more "Liberal" back in the mid Twentieth Century than it is today (back before 'Arab Nationalism/Socialism' fell flat on its Soviet-subsidized authoritarian face, and hardline Islamist movements moved in to fill the power vacuum), but it's never quite reached Western levels of cultural relaxation either.
 

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In secular states, wearing the hijab is a choice. I 100% support a secular state. However, in some states there is not that decision. If you are making a point that there are states that do not offer the option to wear a hijab or not, I say I am against such policy.
How do you know its not some dude in drag?
 

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In secular states, wearing the hijab is a choice. I 100% support a secular state. However, in some states there is not that decision. If you are making a point that there are states that do not offer the option to wear a hijab or not, I say I am against such policy.

Eh...I wouldn't definitely say it's a choice. There still exists a lot of pressure, or even force, from society or from family.
 

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Fall of the Ottoman Empire, WWI, Western Imperialism, decolonization, the rise of Wahhabism:
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Yep. Some of this is touched upon in "Bitter Lake." It also explains the real reason the Twin Towers were targeted. It was the center of the "Petro Dollar," the life blood of the Saudi regime, a primary enemy of Wahhabism.
 

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IMAGEN-13-historical-photos1.jpg

Women protesting against the forced wearing of the hijab in Iran after the Islamic Revolution, 1979. Unfortunately, we all know how that turned out…
yes and now folks we even have the burqa, what woman wouldn't want to wear a burqa in 90 degree temperatures and risk fracturing an ankle as they walk blindly down the street barely able to breathe
 
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