AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals

[Somerville]

Lamestream librul media or reality?

AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals. But an Associated Press review of thousands of pages of court documents tells a different story.

Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs.

Attorney General William Barr has urged his prosecutors to bring federal charges on protesters who cause violence and has suggested that rarely used sedition charges could apply. And the Department of Justice has pushed for detention even as prisons across the U.S. were releasing high-risk inmates because of COVID-19 and prosecutors had been told to consider the risks of incarceration during a pandemic when seeking detention.

Defense attorneys and civil rights activists are questioning why the Department of Justice has taken on cases to begin with. They say most belong in state court, where defendants typically get much lighter sentences. And they argue federal authorities appear to be cracking down on protesters in an effort to stymie demonstrations.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Lamestream librul media or reality?

So you have to be "affiliated with a highly organized extremist group" to be a "leftist radical?" Doesn't lighting police cars on fire in support of leftist ideas pretty much make you a "leftist radical" all by itself?

 

[CaughtInThe]

shocker

 

[Somerville]

So you have to be "affiliated with a highly organized extremist group" to be a "leftist radical?" Doesn't lighting police cars on fire in support of leftist ideas pretty much make you a "leftist radical" all by itself?

Read the article - or not - your choice, but commenting while failing to read a linked piece does little more than show your particular political bias.

 

[dcsports]

Lamestream librul media or reality?

This is a very strange story, that makes some leaps in logic in the first two paragraphs:

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals. But an Associated Press review of thousands of pages of court documents tells a different story.

Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs.

You don't have to be a member of a "highly organized extremist group" to be a "left-wing radical". Almost by definition, these groups aren't going to be well organized at all, and certainly many of the actions taken are more opportunist and 'mob rule' in nature.

Also interesting how they threw "urban" in there as part of the rationale (and conveniently omitted it in the title). Who said these are "urban" offenders? Many of the areas where these issues have happened aren't big cities at all. Certainly not Portland or any place in Wisconsin.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Read the article - or not - your choice, but commenting while failing to read a linked piece does little more than show your particular political bias.

How would you know whether I read the article? Do you claim that there's something in it that answer's my questions? If so, since you appear to be an expert on it, why don't you quote it?

 

[apdst]

Suuuuuure they aren't...lol

 

[TobyOne]

If you're rioting in the streets and getting arrested, you might be a leftist radical.

 

[Moon]

Lamestream librul media or reality?

What a horribly written article. It’s all over the place and never really supports what is stated in the headline. From what I could gather they only consider someone to be a radical leftist if they have ties to Antifa. There were lots of factoids, but it never really tied back to the original premise. My guess is they are counting on people to just read the headline without digging in to the story.

 

[Vern]

How would you know whether I read the article? Do you claim that there's something in it that answer's my questions? If so, since you appear to be an expert on it, why don't you quote it?

sorry Tl, you have a history of not reading what you comment about. Do you want examples? I'll take that as a yes. I started a thread showing Trump's flaming ncompetence that has killed 10s of thousand of Americans and hurt the economy. These are the first two sentences in that thread.

During this pandemic, people in the United States are currently dying at rates unparalleled elsewhere in the world.

A new report in the Journal of the American Medical Association finds that over the last 5 months per capita deaths in the U.S., both from COVID-19 and other causes have been far greater than in 18 other high-income countries.

You flailed at the facts in that thread repeatedly while never grasping the study was about the last 5 months. Posting "nuh uh, some data somewhere proves its false" was ridiculous. I was embarrassed for you. And dont forget you refused to back up any of your silly "nuh uh's" and hilariously told me to prove you wrong. It was clear that you had read nothing (my post, the article about the study and the actual study) but claimed you did. Oh and you did the same "nuh uh, it doesnt prove what it says" spiel in that thread also.

 

[Lursa]

Lamestream librul media or reality?

Young males that cant hold their own in society look for ways to feel like men? How about that for a demographic?

 

[Noodlegawd]

sorry Tl, you have a history of not reading what you comment about. Do you want examples? I'll take that as a yes. I started a thread showing Trump's flaming ncompetence that has killed 10s of thousand of Americans and hurt the economy. These are the first two sentences in that thread.



You flailed at the facts in that thread repeatedly while never grasping the study was about the last 5 months. Posting "nuh uh, some data somewhere proves its false" was ridiculous. I was embarrassed for you. And dont forget you refused to back up any of your silly "nuh uh's" and hilariously told me to prove you wrong. It was clear that you had read nothing (my post, the article about the study and the actual study) but claimed you did. Oh and you did the same "nuh uh, it doesnt prove what it says" spiel in that thread also.

Instead of lying about what I said, why don't you actually post it? And why, exactly, are you digging up crap from another thread to post here? Are you afraid to respond to my post here?

 

[Chillfolks]

The article is poorly written. It doesn’t define what the benchmark is to qualify as a far left or right. It uses vague terms of many some few without providing any explanation of what that actually means. I wish more outlets would leave out the editorial commentary and just report the data for people to interpret for themselves. It will never happen, but would go a long way in uniting people instead of trying to influence people.

 

[Somerville]

So you have to be "affiliated with a highly organized extremist group" to be a "leftist radical?" Doesn't lighting police cars on fire in support of leftist ideas pretty much make you a "leftist radical" all by itself?

Oh, are you sure that in every case that a LEO has been attacked or a police car set on fire that the perp(s) were "leftist radicals"?

Ever hear of the Boogaloo Bois? Are they "leftist radicals"?

Defense releases new details in Boogaloo-linked killing of federal officer in Oakland

Despite their mutual interest in the Boogaloo Boys — an internet-based anti-government movement whose followers have been linked to other violent crimes across the country — Justus and Carrillo do not seem to have much in common.

Carrillo — a U.S. Air Force sergeant stationed at Travis Air Force Base and assigned to an anti-terrorism task force — also had a trucking business registered at his address. He joined the Air Force at 19, according to a published report. His wife, also in the Air Force, died of suicide two years ago.

A week after Underwood’s killing, Carrillo was arrested in Ben Lomond after he allegedly ambushed Santa Cruz County deputies, killing Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller and injuring two other officers. During the shootout he was hit in the hip but carjacked a vehicle and escaped, later using his own blood to write the word “Boog” on the car. He was detained only after a civilian placed Carrillo in a wrestling hold after thwarting another carjacking attempt.

Justus, by contrast, appeared to have remorse in the wake of Underwood’s killing. He asked his mom to accompany him as he traveled to San Francisco to turn himself in, and recounted to the FBI that he felt forced to help Carrillo after entering his van. Justus also claimed he talked Carrillo out of other violent plans, such as shooting down a helicopter, prosecutors allege.

Just in case you or others wish to claim that all "anti-government activists" must be leftist radicals, I offer the following:
'Boogaloo' Is The New Far-Right Slang For Civil War. Once upon a time (1950s-60s), boogaloo was used to describe a mostly Black style and music, but in the '90s boogaloo emerged from the gaming world, ya know - those slacker dudes in their parents' basements staring at a monitor for hours at a time - and became a symbol used by a group of weirdos saying a new civil war was imminent because the 'lefties' in the government were coming to take away everybody's guns.

Boogaloo Bois, May 30, 2020 in Louisville, Kentucky​

Far-right civil war accelerationists called the Boogaloo Bois are appearing at protests around the country with guns and Hawaiian shirts

 

[Taylor]

Someone actually had the job of counting this.

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[D_NATURED]

Liberals are a notoriously disorganized group. So, on that level, the article fails to incorporate some reality. What makes the protesters "radical" is, aparently, their willingness to express the only remaining power that the people possess. Namely, mob justice.

To be a radical right-winger, you don't even have to get off the couch. All you have to do is support, philosophically, the fascist-status-quo. It helps if you're racist or believe in American, Christian exceptionalism but the vote is enough, because radical right wing votes count for more and the vote is the republican public's rubber stamp for things to continue on as usual.

That being said, there's a double standard where white, militia members can leverage their own violent agenda as legitimate patriotism, because they want to tear down the country to create a more perfect capitalist theocracy. To tear it down, as leftist radicals would do, not to create something else but to punish the existing establishment is no less naive than what right wing radicals desire.

The end game for both groups will be something much worse than we have now. In that sense, all of the non-radicals are powerless to stop the momentum of dumb that has swept our nation into chaos with no reasonable end in sight.

We could talk about the cultures of greed, or victimhood, or whatever justifies a radical response but, wherever you land, the consensus seems to be that whatever "this" is, many Americans are ready to end it.

That's sad to me, that we've allowed political divisions to threaten what should exist in spite of them. That is, a national identity that both the right and left can agree matters. What is radical is the divide between us that we intrinsically know we cannot survive.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Oh, are you sure that in every case that a LEO has been attacked or a police car set on fire that the perp(s) were "leftist radicals"?

Just in case you or others wish to claim that all "anti-government activists" must be leftist radicals,

What is this, the Great Straw Man Extravaganza? Please show me where I said anything even remotely like that.

 

[snakestretcher]

If you're rioting in the streets and getting arrested, you might be a leftist radical.

Or you might be an anarchist or a white supremacist, or a fascist, or a Trump supporter...choose your idiot.

 

[Vern]

Instead of lying about what I said, why don't you actually post it? And why, exactly, are you digging up crap from another thread to post here? Are you afraid to respond to my post here?

wow, 3 questions. Let me deal with the second one to start off. Even though its painfully obvious to a child, you made a claim in this thread that you read something. I'm simply pointing out you've made that claim in another thread when it was clear you had read nothing. Thats why I'm "digging up crap from another thread". As far as the third question goes, I wasnt interested enough in the subject to read the article and decide for myself. I did however find your flailing with the insistence you read something funny because you did the same thing in my thread about Trump's incompetence. As far as the first question goes, it really wasnt necessary to post your falsehoods. I linked to the other thread but since you insist. Here's the second sentence in the OP

finds that over the last 5 months per capita deaths in the U.S., both from COVID-19 and other causes have been far greater than in 18 other high-income countries.

The study, the article about the study and my posts made it clear, it was about death rates the last 5 months. Your first reply

This is not really true (unless we're cherry-picking specific timeframes). Spain, Belgium, Sweden, and the UK have been as bad or worse, and some of them and others (France) are getting worse, while the US is improving.

You clearly looking at/ remembering something about total cumulative deaths. The totals were included to show the progress that was made in other rich countries. I pointed out your list of countries were in the study. You simply repeated your "nuh uh"

I listed 4 countries that have been worse or equal to the US, and one more that is very close and rapidly getting worse far faster than the US. How is that "nuh uh"?

the 4 countries you referred to were clearly not equal or worse since May 7 or June 10 so you clearly didnt read my posts or the study or the article about the study. If there was any doubt about your lack of actually eading anything, you posted this

Brilliant observation. The study "showed" that the US has a higher death rate than "other countries" (i.e., countries that were cherry-picked from those with the lowest rates). Other data that I cited shows that the US has a lower death rate than "other countries."

You still dont realize the countries you keep referring to were in the study and I told you they were in the study. Lets review. The study included Spain, UK, Sweden, Belgium. You said the study " cherry-picked from those with the lowest rates". Again, the countries you kept referring to were in the study. Thats proof of you not reading anything. And thats why you cut and ran from the thread. Sure you whined and flailed some more before cutting and running but you cut and ran. And Tl, see how I respond to exactly what you posted.

 

[Somerville]

What is this, the Great Straw Man Extravaganza? Please show me where I said anything even remotely like that.

Your words from post #2 " Doesn't lighting police cars on fire in support of leftist ideas pretty much make you a "leftist radical" all by itself? "

 

[Noodlegawd]

wow, 3 questions. Let me deal with the second one to start off. Even though its painfully obvious to a child, you made a claim in this thread that you read something. I'm simply pointing out you've made that claim in another thread when it was clear you had read nothing.

It was only clear to YOU that I "had read nothing" because you lack basic comprehension skills. I read plenty.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Your words from post #2 " Doesn't lighting police cars on fire in support of leftist ideas pretty much make you a "leftist radical" all by itself? "

That's not anything even remotely like what you claimed I said. I fact, it was qualified by the phrase "in support of leftist ideas." At no time did I say or even imply that ALL of the violence was "in support of leftist ideas." Rather, I was challenging the apparent implication of the article that, unless someone is an actual declared member of a radical leftist organization, they apparently are not a leftist radical.

 

[Rawley]

Read the article - or not - your choice, but commenting while failing to read a linked piece does little more than show your particular political bias.

I'd say burning a police car or making Molotov Cocktails pretty much earns you the moniker "radical leftist" even if you left your Antifa membership card at home.

 

[calamity]

Lamestream librul media or reality?

We've known this for months. Of course, that won't stop the liars from continuing to lie.

 

[j brown's body]

I'd say burning a police car or making Molotov Cocktails pretty much earns you the moniker "radical leftist" even if you left your Antifa membership card at home.

How about burning a police building?

‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest