AP Fact-Checks The GOP's National Security Debate

TheDemSocialist · Dec 16, 2015

WASHINGTON (AP) — The vast complexities of a dangerous world were cast in too-simple terms in the latest Republican presidential debate.In addition, Chris Christie pledged to make common cause with a Jordanian king who's actually dead and Rand Paul wrongly stated that all terrorist attacks in the U.S. since 2001 have come from the hands of legal immigrants.
Here's a look at some of the claims Tuesday night and how they compare with the facts:

Read more @: AP Fact-Checks The GOP's National Security Debate

Facts dont matter anymore at the GOP debate. This is only a very small section of the bull**** that was thrown around last night. In fact, almost every thing said in the debate seemed to be based on the fallacy that the White House and the US military are currently doing nothing in the middle east to stop terrorism. It was bizarre hearing the candidates say they would do all of these "innovative" things that are already being done in the war on terror. These folks didn't seem to have a clue as to what is going on.

digsbe · Dec 16, 2015

TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: AP Fact-Checks The GOP's National Security Debate
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Facts dont matter anymore at the GOP debate. This is only a very small section of the bull**** that was thrown around last night. In fact, almost every thing said in the debate seemed to be based on the fallacy that the White House and the US military are currently doing nothing in the middle east to stop terrorism. It was bizarre hearing the candidates say they would do all of these "innovative" things that are already being done in the war on terror. These folks didn't seem to have a clue as to what is going on.

Um no, the argument is that the White House is weak and not doing enough. Their priorities are wrong, focusing more on a climate summit and gun control instead of ending ISIS and using might to promote peace and stability. Obama with the Iran deal, and general weakness towards supporting our allies in Israel and offering limited air strikes isn't helping and stems from his weakness as a leader and failed foreign policy ideology. The facts are that they claimed the current administration isn't doing enough and has their priorities out of whack, and I agree with them.

TheDemSocialist · Dec 16, 2015

digsbe said:
Um no, the argument is that the White House is weak and not doing enough.

Meh their argument is that the "white house is weak" but what are many of their policies they support which would make the "white house not weak"? *See below*

Their priorities are wrong, focusing more on a climate summit and gun control instead of ending ISIS

How do you gauge and measure this "focus"?

and using might to promote peace and stability.

Arent we doing that? Or attempting to do this?

Obama with the Iran deal,

Diplomacy is bad?

and general weakness towards supporting our allies in Israel

Obama has increased military aid drastically...
US Aid to Israel and the Palestinians

Oh yea and right after the Iran deal look what we gave Israel as a kiss and make-up: Washington Plans Up to $1 Billion Hike in Military Aid to Israel - Israel News - Haaretz

and offering limited air strikes isn't helping and stems from his weakness as a leader and failed foreign policy ideology. The facts are that they claimed the current administration isn't doing enough and has their priorities out of whack, and I agree with them.

"JEB BUSH: "We need to embed our forces, our troops, inside the Iraqi military."

THE FACTS: The U.S. is already doing that.

U.S. special forces are working side by side with Iraqi forces in the fight against Islamic State militants and American military advisers and trainers are working with Iraqi troops in various locations. To be sure, Bush has called for an intensification of the military effort in a variety of ways, but debate viewers would not know from his comment that U.S. troops are already operating with Iraqi and Kurdish forces.

His comment fits a pattern in the Republican race as a number of candidates criticize President Barack Obama's course against IS while proposing largely the same steps that are already underway."

"CARLY FIORINA, speaking of security threats to the U.S.: "We need the private sector's help because the government is not innovating, technology is running ahead by leaps and bounds...They must be engaged and they must be asked. I will ask them."

THE FACTS: They've been asked.

The Obama administration has been in discussions with technology companies, especially in Silicon Valley, over the last year about the use of encrypted communications and how the government can penetrate them for national security purposes. After the attack in San Bernardino, California, Obama again said he would urge high-tech and law enforcement leaders to make it harder for terrorists to use technology to escape justice.

That's not to say the effort has been effective. But as in the case of candidates talking about the campaign against IS, Fiorina pitches something that is in motion."

ARealConservative · Dec 16, 2015

PAUL: "Every terrorist attack we've had since 9/11 has been legal immigration."

THE FACTS: Not so.

One of the San Bernardino, California, attackers was 28-year-old Syed Farook, who was born in Illinois. Nidal Hasan, who perpetrated the 2009 Fort Hood shootings that killed 13 people, was not only an American but an Army major.

this is a pretty weak fact check. Syed Farook was born in the unites states, but his parents were from Pakistan.

the point being, Syed didn't come here illegally, but he did originate from a region with extremist populations.

TheDemSocialist · Dec 16, 2015

ARealConservative said:
this is a pretty weak fact check. Syed Farook was born in the unites states, but his parents were from Pakistan.

the point being, Syed didn't come here illegally, but he did originate from a region with extremist populations.

Do you have any proof his parents being Pakistani is a direct variable in the reasoning for the attacks or a cause of the attacks or helped in the attacks in San Bernardino California?

Riveroaks · Dec 16, 2015

PBS News Hour came out really hard against Trump and against Rand Paul -- both being pants on fire.

And Cruz had one exaggeration -- vetting versus FBI Director certification.

ARealConservative · Dec 16, 2015

TheDemSocialist said:
Do you have any proof his parents being Pakistani is a direct variable in the reasoning for the attacks or a cause of the attacks or helped in the attacks in San Bernardino California?

why does it matter?

you can make a claim Paul said something innacurate, but that ignores the wider point, which is still accurate. All our terrorist attacks are by people here legally but from countries that are suspect.

TheDemSocialist · Dec 16, 2015

ARealConservative said:
why does it matter?

you can make a claim Paul said something innacurate, but that ignores the wider point, which is still accurate. All our terrorist attacks are by people here legally but from countries that are suspect.

So you always just make wild claims without anything to back those claims up? :doh

ARealConservative · Dec 17, 2015

TheDemSocialist said:
So you always just make wild claims without anything to back those claims up? :doh

Do you always fail at reading comprehension?

TheDemSocialist · Dec 17, 2015

ARealConservative said:
Do you always fail at reading comprehension?

Nope. You made a claim that his parents are from Pakistan. Yup, they are and so what? And then I asked, "Do you have any proof his parents being Pakistani is a direct variable in the reasoning for the attacks or a cause of the attacks or helped in the attacks in San Bernardino California?" and you said it doesnt matter... So no. I dont think "I failed".. .

ARealConservative · Dec 17, 2015

TheDemSocialist said:
Nope. You made a claim that his parents are from Pakistan. Yup, they are and so what?

So you failed to comprehend the actual point.

All those engaging in terrorism were here legally. The only common thread is they originated from regions known to sponsor terror. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you.

Here is the bill in question

http://www.paul.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/MDM15J02.pdf

Rubio claims the bill excludes people from all countries, including Taiwan. I noticed that nonsense didn’t make it in the “fact checkers” critique.

TheDemSocialist · Dec 17, 2015

ARealConservative said:
So you failed to comprehend the actual point.

No I "comprehended" the point fine. Syed Farook was born in the USA, that is not a immigrant. You just wanted to point out that his parents are from Pakistan, and so what? The point is Rand Paul is still factually incorrect.

All those engaging in terrorism were here legally.

"Legal immigration"

The only common thread is they originated from regions known to sponsor terror.

He "originated from the United States of America", we sponsor terror?

I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you.

Here is the bill in question

http://www.paul.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/MDM15J02.pdf

Still does not change the fact that he is factually wrong when he says, "Every terrorist attack we've had since 9/11 has been legal immigration."

Rubio claims the bill excludes people from all countries, including Taiwan. I noticed that nonsense didn’t make it in the “fact checkers” critique.

Yup. Guess what else happened literally seconds before that, Rand Paul lied about Rubio's stance when he said, "He is the one for an open border that is leaving us defenseless"

ARealConservative · Dec 17, 2015

TheDemSocialist said:
No I "comprehended" the point fine. Syed Farook was born in the USA, that is not a immigrant. You just wanted to point out that his parents are from Pakistan, and so what? The point is Rand Paul is still factually incorrect.

yes, I just wanted to point out that they key that killed a bunch of people has ties to a country known to have problems with terrorists.

Rubio claimed all people from all coutnries would be blocked - talk about pants on fire lies - but hey, he has a liberal immigration policy, so his outright lie is not even covered.

you shills really get tiring

TheDemSocialist · Dec 17, 2015

ARealConservative said:
yes, I just wanted to point out that they key that killed a bunch of people has ties to a country known to have problems with terrorists.

Again, ill ask "so what"? What does having parents from Pakistan and him being born in the USA have to do with anything? Is there some sort of direct association between family heritage and terrorist attacks or are you simply pointing out a logical fallacy?

Rubio claimed all people from all coutnries would be blocked - talk about pants on fire lies - but hey, he has a liberal immigration policy, so his outright lie is not even covered.

you shills really get tiring

A "liberal immigration policy" :roll: I forgot voting in favor of a bipartisan formulated immigration bill makes it "liberal".

ARealConservative · Dec 17, 2015

TheDemSocialist said:
Again, ill ask "so what"? What does having parents from Pakistan and him being born in the USA have to do with anything?

Pakistan was a country specifically listed in the bill Rand Paul was discussing, and they came here legally, not illegally.

Taiwan was not. Rubio lied

TheDemSocialist · Dec 17, 2015

ARealConservative said:
Pakistan was a country specifically listed in the bill Rand Paul was discussing, and they came here legally, not illegally.

Ok... I guess I have to make this really elementary for ya. I understand what they were discussing, I understand the "point" of the bills, but what does having parents from Pakistan and him being born in the USA have to do with anything? Is there some sort of direct association between family heritage and terrorist attacks or are you simply pointing out a logical fallacy?

Taiwan was not. Rubio lied

Okie dokie.

ARealConservative · Dec 17, 2015

TheDemSocialist said:
Ok... I guess I have to make this really elementary for ya. I understand what they were discussing, I understand the "point" of the bills, but what does having parents from Pakistan and him being born in the USA have to do with anything? Is there some sort of direct association between family heritage and terrorist attacks or are you simply pointing out a logical fallacy?

Okie dokie.

the point is the concern with illegals pouring over our southern borders ignores the reality. legal immigrants from a small list of countries have been involved with these terrorist attacks.

TheDemSocialist · Dec 17, 2015

ARealConservative said:
the point is the concern with illegals pouring over our southern borders ignores the reality. legal immigrants from a small list of countries have been involved with these terrorist attacks.

Farook was born in the United States of America.

ARealConservative · Dec 17, 2015

TheDemSocialist said:
Farook was born in the United States of America.

sigh...

you can make a claim Paul said something innacurate, but that ignores the wider point, which is still accurate. All our terrorist attacks are by people here legally but from countries that are suspect.

Farook was born here, it was inaccurate to say he was an immigrant. I acknowledged that long, long ago.

American · Dec 17, 2015

TheDemSocialist said:
Meh their argument is that the "white house is weak" but what are many of their policies they support which would make the "white house not weak"? *See below*

How do you gauge and measure this "focus"?

Arent we doing that? Or attempting to do this?

Diplomacy is bad?

Obama has increased military aid drastically...
US Aid to Israel and the Palestinians

Oh yea and right after the Iran deal look what we gave Israel as a kiss and make-up: Washington Plans Up to $1 Billion Hike in Military Aid to Israel - Israel News - Haaretz

"JEB BUSH: "We need to embed our forces, our troops, inside the Iraqi military."

THE FACTS: The U.S. is already doing that.

U.S. special forces are working side by side with Iraqi forces in the fight against Islamic State militants and American military advisers and trainers are working with Iraqi troops in various locations. To be sure, Bush has called for an intensification of the military effort in a variety of ways, but debate viewers would not know from his comment that U.S. troops are already operating with Iraqi and Kurdish forces.

His comment fits a pattern in the Republican race as a number of candidates criticize President Barack Obama's course against IS while proposing largely the same steps that are already underway."

"CARLY FIORINA, speaking of security threats to the U.S.: "We need the private sector's help because the government is not innovating, technology is running ahead by leaps and bounds...They must be engaged and they must be asked. I will ask them."

THE FACTS: They've been asked.

The Obama administration has been in discussions with technology companies, especially in Silicon Valley, over the last year about the use of encrypted communications and how the government can penetrate them for national security purposes. After the attack in San Bernardino, California, Obama again said he would urge high-tech and law enforcement leaders to make it harder for terrorists to use technology to escape justice.

That's not to say the effort has been effective. But as in the case of candidates talking about the campaign against IS, Fiorina pitches something that is in motion."

What Obama did with the Iran deal wasn't diplomacy, it was a ****ing joke. He did everything except ship them a ****ing nuke. He sent that Bozo Kerry over there to make a mockery out of the State Dept. Kerry's appointment as Sec State is a mockery. The Iran talks were a clown show.

TheDemSocialist · Dec 18, 2015

American said:
What Obama did with the Iran deal wasn't diplomacy, it was a ****ing joke. He did everything except ship them a ****ing nuke. He sent that Bozo Kerry over there to make a mockery out of the State Dept. Kerry's appointment as Sec State is a mockery. The Iran talks were a clown show.

I would ask you to back this up with anything of relevance other than cheap lame ass talking points... But you know, its all you do.

American · Dec 18, 2015

TheDemSocialist said:
I would ask you to back this up with anything of relevance other than cheap lame ass talking points... But you know, its all you do.

Says the king of lame ass talking points. Why don't you being in some more Bush blame while you're here?

TheDemSocialist · Dec 20, 2015

American said:
Says the king of lame ass talking points. Why don't you being in some more Bush blame while you're here?

:lamo :lamo

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