AOC nominates Bernie Sanders, snubs Joe Biden in DNC address

[MTAtech]

There's an old political adage for Democrats that is campaign to the left during the primaries, then move toward the center during the general election campaign. Moving left during the general would be a mistake for Biden. I know the progressives would like it, but percentage wise, they make up a lot smaller portion of the total electorate than independents do. Generally speaking, not all, independents ideological wise are somewhere in-between the two major parties.

Hillary made this mistake by staying left during the general trying to placate Sanders supporters. Hence she lost the independent vote and the election. This gets little to no attention when it comes to reasons why Hillary lost. Biden has his good size lead because independents view him as a moderate along with viewing Trump with a very distasteful personality and having very unpresidential behavior. Those two together has helped Biden to an almost 10 point lead at the moment. The dislike of Trump as a person, as an individual, disliking the man himself and viewing Biden as an adult with moderate political views in line with the average American Joe.

Trump's only hope as of today, is to have Biden move left so his negative personal attacks of being a socialist will have something to stick to, to adhere to. Trump must win the independent vote or lose the election, the Democrats are still the larger party. Without winning independents, Trump is a dead duck. Remember Joe, keep moving toward the center.

The problem with your view is how you define "left" and "center." You, as a conservative Republican, think that such things as a 70% top marginal tax-rate is "left wing." Yet, that tax-rate, or higher, was the rate that existed for most of the 20th Century. President Eisenhower presided over a 91% top rate. It was JFK who lowered it to 70%.

Most Americans want something like universal health care or Medicare for all, that is, except Republican politicians. Most Americans want a higher minimum wage; a strong social safety net and sensible gun restrictions, like background checks.

Those are not radical far-left proposals, but very popular ideas that most Americans agree with.

I would contend that Democrats have their finger on the pulse of voters and it is the Republicans who are the ones who are out-of-step.

 

[Carolina]

I love watching desperate Republicans try and find issues where non exist.

 

[Lovebug]

Mark and Patricia McCloskey: Blocked an angry mob from coming on their private property. We need more of them (although they need lessons in gun handling)

Nicholas Sandmann: now a very wealthy young man who managed to quietly stand his ground against a raving lunatic. Thanks, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, and WaPo who all lost or will lose lawsuits resulting in heavy amounts of cash being funneled into Sandman's bank account because of their attempts to besmirch his name for days on end.

George Zimmerman: the Hispanic man who shot a black man trying to beat him to death. Is he a republican?

Those examples are to convince an undecided voter of what? That we can clash? I already know that. I want someone to tell me how we can unify this country. Thus far, both sides have done a bad job. What they are good at is creating division and strive at every chance.

 

[roughdraft274]

There are definitely way too many people reading far too much into this.

They aren't mistakenly reading into this. There are alot of dishonest hacks and they are simply lying and trying to cause drama. When you support a piece of **** like Trump, it's the only tool in your belt at this point. They are trolling.

 

[dave8383]

For those unfamiliar with the procedures, this was a symbolic nomination required under the DNC rules. Every candidate who received enough caucus and primary votes must be nominated.


AOC symbolically nominates Bernie Sanders in 60-second DNC speech

It's called a big tent as opposed to the Republican's policy of exclusion. Before you know it the GOP will be whittled down to a hand full of old white guys.

 

[Moot]

Mark and Patricia McCloskey: Blocked an angry mob from coming on their private property. We need more of them (although they need lessons in gun handling)

Nicholas Sandmann: now a very wealthy young man who managed to quietly stand his ground against a raving lunatic. Thanks, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, and WaPo who all lost or will lose lawsuits resulting in heavy amounts of cash being funneled into Sandman's bank account because of their attempts to besmirch his name for days on end.

George Zimmerman: the Hispanic man who shot a black man trying to beat him to death. Is he a republican?

That last one is sure to bring out the black vote...for Biden.

 

[Bucky]

Mark and Patricia McCloskey: Blocked an angry mob from coming on their private property. We need more of them (although they need lessons in gun handling)

Nicholas Sandmann: now a very wealthy young man who managed to quietly stand his ground against a raving lunatic. Thanks, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, and WaPo who all lost or will lose lawsuits resulting in heavy amounts of cash being funneled into Sandman's bank account because of their attempts to besmirch his name for days on end.

George Zimmerman: the Hispanic man who shot a black man trying to beat him to death. Is he a republican?

Waving guns at legal protesters? What a shame you support these maniacs.

 

[MTAtech]

Mark and Patricia McCloskey: Blocked an angry mob from coming on their private property. We need more of them (although they need lessons in gun handling)

Nicholas Sandmann: now a very wealthy young man who managed to quietly stand his ground against a raving lunatic. Thanks, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, and WaPo who all lost or will lose lawsuits resulting in heavy amounts of cash being funneled into Sandman's bank account because of their attempts to besmirch his name for days on end.

George Zimmerman: the Hispanic man who shot a black man trying to beat him to death. Is he a republican?

You are misrepresenting the facts.

Mark and Patricia McCloskey brandished firearms at BLM protesters who posed them no harm.

Nicholas Sandmann accosted native Americans at the Lincoln Memorial.

George Zimmerman shot an unarmed boy who Zimmerman was following, presuming that a black kid in a hoody must be a criminal. All the evidence shows that Zimmerman was the aggressor but a Florida court still acquitted him.

Yes, these are the level of speakers the RNC invited to their convention, while the Democrats invited statesmen and stateswomen.

 

[Carolina]

Republicans are such a joke. History will remember Trump and his administration as one of the darkest moments in American History.

 

[MTAtech]

Mark and Patricia McCloskey: Blocked an angry mob from coming on their private property. We need more of them (although they need lessons in gun handling)

Nicholas Sandmann: now a very wealthy young man who managed to quietly stand his ground against a raving lunatic. Thanks, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, and WaPo who all lost or will lose lawsuits resulting in heavy amounts of cash being funneled into Sandman's bank account because of their attempts to besmirch his name for days on end.

George Zimmerman: the Hispanic man who shot a black man trying to beat him to death. Is he a republican?

Waving guns at legal protesters? What a shame you support these maniacs.

And yet, this is today's Republican Party. What's a shame is what has happened to a once great political party.

 

[MTAtech]

Republicans are such a joke. History will remember Trump and his administration as one of the darkest moments in American History.

As long as Democrats win. History is written by the victors. If Hitler had won, history would be written differently.

 

[Carolina]

Go on.

 

[PoS]

This is a procedure thing that has exactly jack and **** to do with party unity. Ocasio-Cortez seconds Sanders nomination at convention | TheHill



https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1295902565750771717



It really helps to know what the **** you are talking about...

LOL riight. When AOC does something and then explains it away later on, you fall down on your knees, but when Trump does the same thing you take him literally.

I love exposing lib hypocrisy. :lol:

 

[Greenbeard]

AOC nominates Bernie Sanders and snubs Joe Biden in DNC address

Ouch. So much for Dem unity. I predict that party will fracture even if Joe wins.

If Trump wins they will implode. :mrgreen:

So much for the "Biden is a puppet of the left" talking point. Biden might not seem so Teflon to all these attacks if you guys could just pick one and stick with it for more than a day.

 

[Carolina]

LOL riight. When AOC does something and then explains it away later on, you fall down on your knees, but when Trump does the same thing you take him literally.

I love exposing lib hypocrisy. :lol:

Does something? You mean nominates the candidate she was asked to endorse, per DNC rules? The same thing that is done at every convention? Grow up.

 

[Moot]

You are misrepresenting the facts.

Mark and Patricia McCloskey brandished firearms at BLM protesters who posed them no harm.

Nicholas Sandmann accosted native Americans at the Lincoln Memorial.

George Zimmerman shot an unarmed boy who Zimmerman was following, presuming that a black kid in a hoody must be a criminal. All the evidence shows that Zimmerman was the aggressor but a Florida court still acquitted him.

Yes, these are the level of speakers the RNC invited to their convention, while the Democrats invited statesmen and stateswomen.

It's almost like the GOP is trying to lose the election.

 

[BlueTex]

LOL riight. When AOC does something and then explains it away later on, you fall down on your knees, but when Trump does the same thing you take him literally.

I love exposing lib hypocrisy. :lol:

Explains it away later on? Are you under the impression this was something spontaneous from AOC?

 

[ludin]

The procedure has been explained to you, in detail, in multiple previous threads, but you bulldoze ahead..........:shrug:

blah blah blah. you actually have anything?
:shrug:

I am sure sanders got the votes he was supposed to get.
He didn't get enough votes even though he probably would have made a better candidate than Biden
even though he is just as unhinged.

 

[dave8383]

Explains it away later on? Are you under the impression this was something spontaneous from AOC?

That's what he's trying to say.

 

[Rexedgar]

blah blah blah. you actually have anything?
:shrug:

I am sure sanders got the votes he was supposed to get.
He didn't get enough votes even though he probably would have made a better candidate than Biden
even though he is just as unhinged.

Self-ownage never gets old, does it?

 

[Carolina]

As long as Democrats win. History is written by the victors. If Hitler had won, history would be written differently.

Trump won in 2016 and it hasn't stopped the Books and Media exposing him for the villain he is. It doesn't matter who wins, History will remember Trump for exactly what he was.

 

[Finch]

Meanwhile, the Republicans have actual criminals and racists speaking at their convention.

Mark and Patricia McCloskey

Nicholas Sandmann

George Zimmerman

You should be ashamed of yourself.

is there a link stating these people are actual speakers?

 

[Perotista]

The problem with your view is how you define "left" and "center." You, as a conservative Republican, think that such things as a 70% top marginal tax-rate is "left wing." Yet, that tax-rate, or higher, was the rate that existed for most of the 20th Century. President Eisenhower presided over a 91% top rate. It was JFK who lowered it to 70%.

Most Americans want something like universal health care or Medicare for all, that is, except Republican politicians. Most Americans want a higher minimum wage; a strong social safety net and sensible gun restrictions, like background checks.

Those are not radical far-left proposals, but very popular ideas that most Americans agree with.

I would contend that Democrats have their finger on the pulse of voters and it is the Republicans who are the ones who are out-of-step.

First time I've been called a conservative Republican in a long time. I must be doing something right if I got both the left and the right coming at me with guns blazing. I'm a happy camper. I an advocate for the middle way, no gigantic leaps one direction or the other. Small steps are fine, compromise is good, I totally detest today's politics of polarization and mega, ultra high partisanship.

But in the end, it is people like me that decides elections. Heed my advice or not, no skin off my nose. I really don't have a horse in this race. But I like to forecast and talk about strategy which might bring a winner in or perhaps cause one to lose.

Conservative Republican, I love it. You don't even know where I stand on those issues, you assume because I believe in the old political adage and make it my business to study independents. Independents decide elections, not Republicans and not Democrats. Independents are growing fast, from 30% in 2006 to 40% today. The two major parties shrinking which I love.

Fact is neither major party represents America as a whole, only their ever shrinking base. which neither party will ever admit. So we'll have a bunch of wave elections coming up, elect one party one year, the other party the next, back to the first and then back to the other until one or the other gets the message.

 

[ataraxia]

You just proved my point, though. The only reason these people are together is because they hate Trump. So this means that the alliance will split apart the moment Trump is gone, or if he gets reelected.

That's a good enough reason. Trump is a clear and present danger to this country.

 

[Piner]

is there a link stating these people are actual speakers?

A Google search for any of those names shows numerous such news articles.