Anyone want to admit they were in the 'don't vote for Hillary, we need the backlash trump will cause' group in 2016?

[Craig234]

We couldn't know you were wrong then that there would be a big backlash and move to the left, but I'd say that, while Biden won and the Senate flipped, you were mostly wrong and lucky.

Biden won by something like 43,000 votes, and the House and Senate did worse than expected, losing seats in the House, and the Senate down to a 1% margin in Georgia. Not exactly a big backlash, rather a very close call.

Instead of a big backlash, trump maintained his support until 2021 despite being the worst president in history and the pandemic and crash of the economy.

Instead of punishing Republicans for corruptly supporting trump, such as refusing to convict him, voters didn't really punish them mostly.

Want to make a case that you were right, that the trump presidency was worth it for you to try to get a backlash? Or does no one admit supporting that now?

 

[Craig234]

I see, no one admits supporting that now.

 

[Helix]

nope. i sucked it up and voted against Punkinhead even though i supported Sanders and he lost the primary.

 

[lemmiwinx]

Anyone want to admit they voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump? I know I didn't.

 

[Lisa]

Anyone want to admit they voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump? I know I didn't.

I voted for Biden because he wasn't a Republican.

 

[Showtime586]

I will admit voting against Trump. To me, anyone that got the Dem nomination was an improvement.

 

[Mithrae]

We couldn't know you were wrong then that there would be a big backlash and move to the left, but I'd say that, while Biden won and the Senate flipped, you were mostly wrong and lucky.

Biden won by something like 43,000 votes, and the House and Senate did worse than expected, losing seats in the House, and the Senate down to a 1% margin in Georgia. Not exactly a big backlash, rather a very close call.

Instead of a big backlash, trump maintained his support until 2021 despite being the worst president in history and the pandemic and crash of the economy.

Instead of punishing Republicans for corruptly supporting trump, such as refusing to convict him, voters didn't really punish them mostly.

Want to make a case that you were right, that the trump presidency was worth it for you to try to get a backlash? Or does no one admit supporting that now?

Seems to me your assessment is premature by 3-5 years.
What boyish shenanigans will Trump's insurrectionists get up to on inauguration day?
How will Republican senators respond to Trump's second impeachment?
How will moderate conservatives view all this in hindsight, a few months from now, after the heat of the moment has passed?
How will Democrat policies over the next two years be shaped in part by the harsh lessons learned from Trumpism?
With racial ugliness more clearly exposed by Trump than anyone else would have, how will America respond and grow?
How will the 2022 elections go?
How will that shape the subsequent two years, and what happens in 2024?


We also don't really know what a Clinton presidency would have looked like. Conflict or proxy wars with Russia? Until early/mid 2020 I myself would have said that for all of Trump's faults, his term was still a better one than George W. Bush's warmongering (and Bush's death toll would probably still exceed Trump's share of responsibility for the US Covid toll, so were it not for the past few months it'd still be up in the air which was worse, to my mind). A self-entitled Clinton presidency heavily indebted to the military-industrial complex could very easily have even been more militant than Obama's was: Respectability and maintaining the status quo (about the best which could have been hoped of Clinton, imo) is all well and good, but when the status quo looks like the prior decades of US international policy then the trade wars, prevarication, pettiness and racial insensitivity marring Trump's presidency might be comparable (if not lesser) wounds, but self-inflicted more on America itself than on the rest of the world.

Long and short, for those who voted third party in disgust at the establishment politics Clinton so thoroughly embodied (or even those who held their nose and voted for Trump), I'm not sure a compelling case could be made even now that they made a definitely wrong choice. 2020 was the first year I ever would have advised anyone inclined to listen that the value of voting for the 'lesser evil' Biden would outweigh the fact that in general, doing so just perpetuates a rotten system.

 

[Craig234]

Long and short, for those who voted third party in disgust at the establishment politics Clinton so thoroughly embodied (or even those who held their nose and voted for Trump), I'm not sure a compelling case could be made even now that they made a definitely wrong choice.

My topic wasn't really about the 'voted third party out of disgust with both' vote, it was about the opposed Hillary because there will be a huge trump backlash that helps Democrats so much it's justified to have him for a term' vote.

 

[Mithrae]

My topic wasn't really about the 'voted third party out of disgust with both' vote, it was about the opposed Hillary because there will be a huge trump backlash that helps Democrats so much it's justified to have him for a term' vote.

Partisans opposing their party in order to help their party? Only in America, surely

 

[joluoto]

Yeah, Biden is a move to the RIGHT from Hillary, Trump almost won again, got more votes than the time he won. His cult is still devoted, and while they will abandon the person of Trump they will not abandon the idea of Trumpism.

There was no backlash that strengthened progressivism. Biden is laughing at Progressives and appointing only Centrist shills. The ones that thought voting Trump would lead to President Sanders were so wrong it ain't even funny.

 

[MrPeanut]

I see, no one admits supporting that now.

Did anyone on this forum support that at the time? I don't remember that. That sounds like some Jimmy Dore style garbage to me.

 

[Craig234]

Did anyone on this forum support that at the time? I don't remember that. That sounds like some Jimmy Dore style garbage to me.

I definitely saw people say it, but didn't join this forum until 2019.

 

[Craig234]

Yeah, Biden is a move to the RIGHT from Hillary, Trump almost won again, got more votes than the time he won. His cult is still devoted, and while they will abandon the person of Trump they will not abandon the idea of Trumpism.

There was no backlash that strengthened progressivism. Biden is laughing at Progressives and appointing only Centrist shills. The ones that thought voting Trump would lead to President Sanders were so wrong it ain't even funny.

Yup, mostly.

But Bernie Chairman of the Budget Committee, oh ya.

 

[SoCal]

Anyone want to admit they voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump? I know I didn't.

Of course I did, as a proud patriotic American it was my duty to vote for anyone but Trump. There's a million reasons to vote for the opposition, but in this case I believe a huge percentage, maybe a majority voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump and they would admit it. Many moderate Repubs in the burbs who voted for Trump in 16' didn't for for him in November because he wasn't Trump.

I see, no one admits supporting that now.

I'm like MrPeanut, I never read a post here or heard anyone talk about this anywhere else. It's hard to believe a large number actually did that...

 

[Slartibartfast]

Anyone want to admit they voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump? I know I didn't.

I would have preferred Warren, but so far Biden is impressing me this last week but at the same time, the stuff he is doing is the obvious. I will see how I feel once he gets his initiatives off the ground a little more.

 

[holbritter]

I was unable to vote at that time, but I was for voting against Clinton, and also thought it might be a good thing to have someone unpolitical. I was wrong.

I voted this year, against Trump. I'm pretty sure I won't be wrong. I even would have forced myself to vote for Sanders if I had to.

 

[Mithrae]

IMO voting against Trump for the opposition was important last year as I don't think 'lesser evil' politics was warranted in any previous election, not because Trump's first four years were that awful (disastrous Covid response notwithstanding) but because if he'd maintained power his next decade could be so much worse.

 

[Slartibartfast]

We couldn't know you were wrong then that there would be a big backlash and move to the left, but I'd say that, while Biden won and the Senate flipped, you were mostly wrong and lucky.

Biden won by something like 43,000 votes, and the House and Senate did worse than expected, losing seats in the House, and the Senate down to a 1% margin in Georgia. Not exactly a big backlash, rather a very close call.

Instead of a big backlash, trump maintained his support until 2021 despite being the worst president in history and the pandemic and crash of the economy.

Instead of punishing Republicans for corruptly supporting trump, such as refusing to convict him, voters didn't really punish them mostly.

Want to make a case that you were right, that the trump presidency was worth it for you to try to get a backlash? Or does no one admit supporting that now?

I personally didn't, but many of my extremely liberal friends did do this. I thought (and still think) it was insane.

 

[VySky]

Without mail in voting expansion as a result of Covid, Biden would be having hot cocoa in the comfort of a warm sweater.

 

[Mithrae]

I personally didn't, but many of my extremely liberal friends did do this. I thought (and still think) it was insane.

Extremely liberal? Purely to help out the Democrats? Craig seems to be making a distinction between holding your nose and voting against Clinton in the hopes of eventual progressive gains/for the nation, and voting against Clinton in the hopes of eventual Democrat gains, and is asking about the latter. I'd agree the latter is insane.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Extremely liberal? Purely to help out the Democrats? Craig seems to be making a distinction between holding your nose and voting against Clinton in the hopes of eventual progressive gains/for the nation, and voting against Clinton in the hopes of eventual Democrat gains, and is asking about the latter. I'd agree the latter is insane.

Specifically the "lets vote the crazy guy in and force a societal backlash" idea. Its forcing a backlash, but not quite the one these people expected.

 

[Craig234]

I personally didn't, but many of my extremely liberal friends did do this. I thought (and still think) it was insane.

Ya, and I was wondering if they can admit they were wrong.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Ya, and I was wondering if they can admit they were wrong.

I think they forgot about it

 

[Binary_Digit]

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage the change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

In 2016 I held my nose and voted against Hillary Clinton. Thankfully, my fellow Commonwealth citizens were smarter than me and my tainted Trump vote was swallowed up by blue for Hillary. It took me all of six months to severely regret giving that man anything more than middle finger salutes.

In 2020 I held my nose and voted against Donald Trump. I lothe the political games of the Washington establishment but at least I can trust Biden to not be a soulless wretch and petulant child.

One of these days I'd really like to vote FOR someone instead of AGAINST someone. Maybe when the Moon finally turns to blood.

Let's get out and vote! Let's make our voices heard!
We've been given the right to choose between a douche and a turd.
It's democracy in action; put your freedom to the test!
A big fat douche or a stupid turd: which do you like best?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

We couldn't know you were wrong then that there would be a big backlash and move to the left, but I'd say that, while Biden won and the Senate flipped, you were mostly wrong and lucky.

Biden won by something like 43,000 votes, and the House and Senate did worse than expected, losing seats in the House, and the Senate down to a 1% margin in Georgia. Not exactly a big backlash, rather a very close call.

Instead of a big backlash, trump maintained his support until 2021 despite being the worst president in history and the pandemic and crash of the economy.

Instead of punishing Republicans for corruptly supporting trump, such as refusing to convict him, voters didn't really punish them mostly.

Want to make a case that you were right, that the trump presidency was worth it for you to try to get a backlash? Or does no one admit supporting that now?

The "brocialist wing" of the Bernie Bros who flipped to Trump, yes?
Those accelerationists will never admit to anything at all.