• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Anybody think Hillary might challenge Obama in 2012? I certainly think she might.

axuality

New member
Joined
Jun 21, 2010
Messages
2
Reaction score
1
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Does anyone really think about 'what if Obama keeps getting worse' instead of 'what if he stays this bad'?


Hillary vs. Palin.

ha ha
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
74,107
Reaction score
32,318
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Does anyone really think about 'what if Obama keeps getting worse' instead of 'what if he stays this bad'?


Hillary vs. Palin.

ha ha
I've always wanted to see an electoral map that had 49/50 states blue...
 

ric27

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 9, 2010
Messages
7,541
Reaction score
3,195
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Both are damaged boobs
 

VanceMack

MSG Benavides TAB
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 1, 2010
Messages
73,113
Reaction score
30,773
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Does anyone really think about 'what if Obama keeps getting worse' instead of 'what if he stays this bad'?


Hillary vs. Palin.

ha ha
Id vote for Hillary over Palin...just like I would have voted for Hillary over McCain or Obama. Luckily With the Obama McCain choice i was able to comfortably cast my ballot for Barr.
 

the makeout hobo

Rockin' In The Free World
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2006
Messages
7,102
Reaction score
1,504
Location
Sacramento, CA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
It'll never happen. Can someone give me the last time a sitting president wasn't nominated by his own party? LBJ to some extent, and that was a whole different situation
 

VanceMack

MSG Benavides TAB
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 1, 2010
Messages
73,113
Reaction score
30,773
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
It'll never happen. Can someone give me the last time a sitting president wasn't nominated by his own party? LBJ to some extent, and that was a whole different situation
It could EASILY happen. Dude is WAY in over his head...his popularity is plummetting He could make a few pretty speeches...make a few excuses...call it a successful presidency and choose not to run again...especially depending on who it appears may run against him. Better to resign with ideological glory then to get beat as a sitting president.
 

the makeout hobo

Rockin' In The Free World
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2006
Messages
7,102
Reaction score
1,504
Location
Sacramento, CA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
It could EASILY happen. Dude is WAY in over his head...his popularity is plummetting He could make a few pretty speeches...make a few excuses...call it a successful presidency and choose not to run again...especially depending on who it appears may run against him. Better to resign with ideological glory then to get beat as a sitting president.
I think you're seeing things through rose tinted glasses here. You simply do not kick out a sitting president or decline a second term without a very good reason. It'd be almost unprecidented
 

disneydude

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 30, 2006
Messages
25,528
Reaction score
8,470
Location
Los Angeles
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
No way Hilary runs. She is happy in her position and would have little chance of getting the nomination. Barring a collapse of the economy, Obama has a pretty good shot at a second term. There isn't a Republican out there (at this point) that can beat him. Unless some GOP rises from the ashes, Obama will win a second term.
 

mikhail

blond bombshell
DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 14, 2005
Messages
4,729
Reaction score
763
Location
uk
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
I dont see Palin running she is just out to make money she is just trying to squeeze every penny out the tea party movement she can.
 

Deuce

Outer space potato man
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 6, 2010
Messages
74,107
Reaction score
32,318
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
It could EASILY happen. Dude is WAY in over his head...his popularity is plummetting He could make a few pretty speeches...make a few excuses...call it a successful presidency and choose not to run again...especially depending on who it appears may run against him. Better to resign with ideological glory then to get beat as a sitting president.
His approval ratings are low but not unprecedented, especially given how a recession always pushes down approval ratings.
 

VanceMack

MSG Benavides TAB
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 1, 2010
Messages
73,113
Reaction score
30,773
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
I think you're seeing things through rose tinted glasses here. You simply do not kick out a sitting president or decline a second term without a very good reason. It'd be almost unprecidented
Nah...Personally I dont care. You will note...I would have rather supported Hillary over McCain and Obama...because at the end of the day i dont see much difference between any of them. So I expect Obama will still get the mindless idiots that dont think before they go into the polling booth and cast their ballots for him to do so. I expect by that time he will have found a way to sign in amnesty...I imagine he will stay in power. I think the real battle is in congress.

But...While I doubt it WILL happen i can certainly see how it could. 72 days and counting of incompetence on the gulf disaster...an incoherent economic policy...a foreign policy that even the foreign leaders are scratching their head about...oh...come now...TELL me he wouldnt be eviscerated if he was a republican. tell me you LOVE the leadership and think he is up to the job...
 

VanceMack

MSG Benavides TAB
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 1, 2010
Messages
73,113
Reaction score
30,773
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
His approval ratings are low but not unprecedented, especially given how a recession always pushes down approval ratings.
Recession...complete incompetence in the gulf...incoherent foreign policy...escalated the war effort instead of getting everyone out...hasnt closed GITMO but if he does it will only be because he now holds and interrogates in Bagrahm...carrying on the Bush anti-terror policies they all ridiculed...invasion of privacy...monitoring cell phones and internet...a housing market STILL stagnant and failing...continually rising unemployment and no clue as to how to change things...signed a healthcare bill that wont kick in for another 3 years while we pay it forward and cost estimates are already climbing...

hey...THATS a guy that deserves a second term. Sure. If you are a mindless O bot.

on the plus side I hear his handicap has dropped 2 strokes since he took office.
 

Dittohead not!

master political analyst
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 3, 2009
Messages
50,911
Reaction score
33,142
Location
The Golden State
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Obama will run against whoever the Republicans pick. If that party can't come up with a viable candidate, then Obama will be a two term president.

Hillary might run in '16, but not in '12, absent a Lyndon Johnson scenario, it just ain't gonna happen. Fugitaboutit.
 

the makeout hobo

Rockin' In The Free World
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2006
Messages
7,102
Reaction score
1,504
Location
Sacramento, CA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
Nah...Personally I dont care. You will note...I would have rather supported Hillary over McCain and Obama...because at the end of the day i dont see much difference between any of them. So I expect Obama will still get the mindless idiots that dont think before they go into the polling booth and cast their ballots for him to do so. I expect by that time he will have found a way to sign in amnesty...I imagine he will stay in power. I think the real battle is in congress.
Many Obama supporters, me included, are not "mindless", and came to our support through rational thought and research. Please try to have something other than total disregard for those that disagree with you.
 

VanceMack

MSG Benavides TAB
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 1, 2010
Messages
73,113
Reaction score
30,773
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Many Obama supporters, me included, are not "mindless", and came to our support through rational thought and research. Please try to have something other than total disregard for those that disagree with you.
Really? OK...then Id LOVE to see the inteligent well thought out case for total support of Obama and why a challenge from someone else in the party is out of the question. Because quite frankly...I simply dont see it. Ive given him credit for a solid job combating terror in the US. Thats it. The only other 'accomplishment' was passage of healthcare...and that which they passed is a total dismal disaster.

SO maybe you have some hidden insight...but I personally saw a not ready for prime time player...a 'clean well spoken black man' that could give a decent speech but had no experience, no qualifications to actually be president. What got him elected? Come on...seriously?
 

mac

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 13, 2010
Messages
22,499
Reaction score
4,266
Location
DC Metro
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Moderate
Many Obama supporters, me included, are not "mindless", and came to our support through rational thought and research. Please try to have something other than total disregard for those that disagree with you.
And you spend a lot of time applauding the musings of those on the right?
 

mac

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 13, 2010
Messages
22,499
Reaction score
4,266
Location
DC Metro
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Moderate
I don't think Hillary has enough independent/moderate support to get elected, and I think she probably knows that. I also don't think Obama will have enough of it left to get re-elected. I hope Colin Powell runs with Brown or Jindal as a running mate. Stupak might have gotten a vote from me if he hadn't sold out on abortion.
 

randel

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 24, 2009
Messages
5,691
Reaction score
2,047
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
Does anyone really think about 'what if Obama keeps getting worse' instead of 'what if he stays this bad'?


Hillary vs. Palin.

ha ha
hillary would wipe the floor with palin
 

the makeout hobo

Rockin' In The Free World
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2006
Messages
7,102
Reaction score
1,504
Location
Sacramento, CA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
And you spend a lot of time applauding the musings of those on the right?
I at least respectfully consider their views when they're well thought out and explained, even if I disagree.
 

the makeout hobo

Rockin' In The Free World
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2006
Messages
7,102
Reaction score
1,504
Location
Sacramento, CA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
Really? OK...then Id LOVE to see the inteligent well thought out case for total support of Obama and why a challenge from someone else in the party is out of the question. Because quite frankly...I simply dont see it. Ive given him credit for a solid job combating terror in the US. Thats it. The only other 'accomplishment' was passage of healthcare...and that which they passed is a total dismal disaster.
A challenge from someone else in the party is out of the question because those things don't HAPPEN in our system, barring truly extraordinary events. I'm using history as a basis here. And I'd be able to explain my views on any specific issue, justifying "total support" as you put it is a bit too nebulous.

SO maybe you have some hidden insight...but I personally saw a not ready for prime time player...a 'clean well spoken black man' that could give a decent speech but had no experience, no qualifications to actually be president. What got him elected? Come on...seriously?
He got elected because people agreed with his platform and ideas. Why is that too hard to understand?
 

BDBoop

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 17, 2010
Messages
9,800
Reaction score
2,719
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Other
Really? OK...then Id LOVE to see the inteligent well thought out
Apropos of nothing, there are two l's in intelligent and well thought-out is hyphenated.
 

VanceMack

MSG Benavides TAB
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 1, 2010
Messages
73,113
Reaction score
30,773
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
A challenge from someone else in the party is out of the question because those things don't HAPPEN in our system, barring truly extraordinary events. I'm using history as a basis here. And I'd be able to explain my views on any specific issue, justifying "total support" as you put it is a bit too nebulous.
He got elected because people agreed with his platform and ideas. Why is that too hard to understand?
Doesnt really even come close to answering the question or justifying give him a second term...does it...
 

the makeout hobo

Rockin' In The Free World
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2006
Messages
7,102
Reaction score
1,504
Location
Sacramento, CA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
Doesnt really even come close to answering the question or justifying give him a second term...does it...
The question was way to vague to answer. I'd rather discuss policy, not some vague statement.
 
Top Bottom