Any westerners support Islamism? (1 Viewer)

[IAmMrTea08]

"Islamism is a set of political ideologies that hold that Islam is not only a religion, but also a political system that governs the legal, economic and social imperatives of the state according to its interpretation of Islamic Law. Islamists thus demand the return of the society to Islamic values, and the return of the state to sharia law. A society governed by Islamic principles and law is seen as the true and sole answer to problems caused by the realities of modern life, including social and cultural alienation through urbanisation and migration, and political and economic exploitation.

Islamism is a multi-faceted ideology, with a large variety of islamic/political thought. The phenomenon includes moderate and relatively liberal groups as well as radicals, including salafis, wahabis, fundamentalists, neo-fundamentalists, and traditionalists. This variety of often competing streams of thought implies that a clear distinction between the one and the other under the term 'Islamism' alone is not given."

-Wikipedia





Islamism ideology currently is strongest in the following countries...

http://www.islamic-world.net/countries/index.htm (the ones on the left)




Does anyone here like the idea? Explain....

 

[nes]

What are you smoking? Most of the countries on that list don't like the Islamic world. United Kingdom, United States, Russia, Thailand, Spain, (and every European country thats on that list), Philippines, etc...

Thats right, the political system in the United States is being ran by Islamic Muslims. Keep thinking that. Smoke more.

If these countries political systems were based off Islamic Muslims beliefs, wouldn't we see laws being passed that you liberals would be screaming and crying about.


Michelle Malkin: THE NEVER-ENDING CARTOON JIHAD


http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm

Homosexuality in Islam is punishable by death but pederasty is permissible.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/16.htm

and see all the pics, think its bs?


Yes, since Islam is so great, lets all allow pedophiles to legally have sex with children while beheading all people who claim or are to of have done homosexual sex. Lets also have multiple marriages, etc...


Westerners supporting Islam?! I think us westerners wouldn't care if all Muslims got beheaded. I think the world would be better without such useless, dirt poor, insane, and very violent people.

 

[cherokee]

I am 100%, fully committed to the core, against Islam.

Islam today is no better then the Christians of long ago. Only Christians today don’t have the lust to dominate the world or kill those who wont convert or disagree.
And before any one says “its only a few Muslims who act this way” I say to you
Then stand against them IN PUBLIC!
I want to see Muslims from all over the world stepping in condemning and demanding an end to the violence in Iraq. I want to see them rise up from the Middle East and support a peace deal with Israel and Palestine. I want to see demonstrations in the millions against the “few bad muslims”
BUT
Will I see any of this today? No, Today I’ll read about another rocket being fired into Israel, another bombing committed in the name of Allah or how they discovered 50 dead Iraqi’s again. I’ll see another idiot with a sign that reads “Death to America” Or “Islam will rule the world” and I wont hear a peep from the so-called “peaceful Muslims”

 

[IAmMrTea08]

Wow, you people are so cruel here. I didn't expect "Religious Racism" here. You took a thread about your thoughts on Islamism, and turned it to your thoughts on the religion of Islam. You guys had nasty things to say about it at that. Its the most understood religion to westerners.

(I'm only 16 guys don't beat me around just yet haha)
But I've said this before and I will say it for the rest of my life. Islam is a religion of peace. Infact, every religion is a religion of peace.

By the way nes, I never said any of those countries you mentioned supported Islam. I said the countries on the LEFT SIDE OF THAT LIST, were countries that support Islam. Thank you for reading what I typed and reading the label on the list. :doh


If I'm not mistaken, the Ku Klux Klan are a group of FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIANS. (at least thats what they claim) who support a "White Christian America." But personally I do not consider them Christians for their acts. Does anyone here call them "Christian Terrorists"? I think not.
Al Qaeda is a group FUNDAMENTAL MUSLIMS. (at leasts thats what they claim) I don't even know what they stand for anymore and I don't want to hear what you all have to say about what you think they stand for because I think they are a group of nasty people who are scum on the face of the planet. But you westerners call them "Islamic Terrorists." They are not.

I don't care if a priest did the Oklahoma City bombings in the name of Jesus. That does not make him a "Christian Terrorist"


You cannot allow a small group of Islamic terrorists to change your perception on the whole religion. Let's say for example, that there are one million "Islamic militiants." Thats only a little under 0.09% of the ENTIRE RELIGION, which is an estimated 1.1 billion people. Thats not even anywhere near 1%

And these terrorist claim they are Muslim, but let me assure you they are not. The Quran clearly states that anyone who commits murder when not in a state of self defense, is NOT a muslim. (I'm not going to look where I'm too lazy and tired and I just got off winter break) If you're killing innocent people when the Quran clearly FORBIDS it, then you are not a muslim, because you are doing something the quran forbids.


So these terrorist may claim to be muslim, but in reality they are not.

About the links that nes posted. I see those images and text to be false and misleading. The thing about the quran, its ancient, unaltered text. It does not get simplified and re-written. Its all about how its interpreted.


As to what you said nes, which offended me the most of anything anyone has said to me in my entire life. "I think the world would be better without such useless, dirt poor, insane, and very violent people." You are a fool to say such an ignorant racist thing. Useless? Arabs were pioneers of science, math, they created algebra. They made breakthrough in medicine and chemistry. YOUR MODERN WORLD WOULD NOT EXIST TODAY WITHOUT THOSE WHO YOU CALL USELESS. You call them insane and dirt poor, how about you elaborate on that?


I have nothing more to say to you.

 

[Red_Dave]

I am 100%, fully committed to the core, against Islam.

Islam today is no better then the Christians of long ago. Only Christians today don’t have the lust to dominate the world or kill those who wont convert or disagree.
And before any one says “its only a few Muslims who act this way” I say to you
Then stand against them IN PUBLIC!
I want to see Muslims from all over the world stepping in condemning and demanding an end to the violence in Iraq. I want to see them rise up from the Middle East and support a peace deal with Israel and Palestine. I want to see demonstrations in the millions against the “few bad muslims”
BUT
Will I see any of this today? No, Today I’ll read about another rocket being fired into Israel, another bombing committed in the name of Allah or how they discovered 50 dead Iraqi’s again. I’ll see another idiot with a sign that reads “Death to America” Or “Islam will rule the world” and I wont hear a peep from the so-called “peaceful Muslims”

Do you think its wise to assume these things are not happening just because you dont see them in the media? As regards nes's post i was under the impression hate speach wasnt allowed on this fourm.

 

[Voidwar]

Do you think its wise to assume these things are not happening just because you dont see them in the media?

How wise do you think it is to think those things are happening and still managing to avoid today's ubiquitous media and journalists ?

The story would be worth too much airtime, , , if it was happening, it would be covered, ad nauseum, and you know it.

As regards the initial poster, he said Islam is a religion of peace, so we all know he's full of shite already.

 

[cherokee]

Do you think its wise to assume these things are not happening just because you dont see them in the media? As regards nes's post i was under the impression hate speach wasnt allowed on this fourm.

ahhh yes I do.
If it did happen it would be covered.
Problem is........... it doesn’t happen.

 

[brewmenn]

I don't support any theocracy, be it Christian, Islamic, Jewish, or any other religion.

 

[IAmMrTea08]

As regards the initial poster, he said Islam is a religion of peace, so we all know he's full of shite already.

:shock: thank you?? .............you're mean

 

[nes]

You know what, instead of me writing another 5 paragraphs, I'll keep it short.

The media is bitching about deaths of American troops in Iraq. Now what group of people is mostly responsible for the American troop deaths? American troops follow the rules of engagement, do you think the Muslims have a rules of engagement? Of course not, U.S. troops usually can't kill innocent civilians without going to court for murder while Muslims capture (torture) or kill both armed and unarmed (or pistol armed) American soldiers.

I have seen footage of Muslim woman mourning murderers. Putting their hands over their face, while men screaming "ALLAH ACKBAR!". Brainwashed since birth, most Muslim people were grown in an entirely different world, the text books (in Muslim Middle East countries) usually don't even have Israel on the map, the land is "Palestine". I think the laws in most Middle East Muslim countries are bizarre and a far cry from real equality. I wouldn't dare take a vacation to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and others since I believe I would risk getting tortured or killed.

If I'm not mistaken, the Ku Klux Klan are a group of FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIANS. (at least thats what they claim) who support a "White Christian America." But personally I do not consider them Christians for their acts. Does anyone here call them "Christian Terrorists"? I think not.

Ku Klux Klan are definitely not fundamental Christians. I think that the Ku Klux Klan today is just full of young members that just hate other ethnic groups, nothing to do much about religion.

 

[jujuman13]

I am a Westerner, I do not support any Religion, nor do I care to castigate any religion.
So I can truthfully state that all religions preach peace, what you cannot see that, ok, PEACE.

This is what religions profess to preach.
The missing factor should be any persons ability to intepret whatever any religion preaches in a way that is satisfactory to their own beliefs.
Islam preaches peace, yet their are those who profess to be followers of that faith and yet they want and do commit murder, rape, etc.
Exactly the same can be said of Christains.

What a person does with a particular religion is what is the problem.
Most of these people whom we see as Terrorists have some point they are trying to make, no one listens so to get someone to listen they stoop to committing acts that are deemed as Terrorist acts.

Let me give an example, during WWII there was an resistance movement in France called the 'Maquis', these people assisted escaped POWs, plus assisted in executions of various people who were deemed to be collaborators as well as blowing up various installations, the occupying forces deemed them to be Terrorists and so far as the Germans were concerned that is what they were, yet to the French civillian population they were hero's.
It all depends on which side of whatever belief you happen to follow, as to whether the person is a Terrorist or a Hero and a Martyr.
Having said all that, a final point
Islam as well as Christianity are and were spread by the sword.
They conquer, you convert or you die.

 

[IAmMrTea08]

I am a Westerner, I do not support any Religion, nor do I care to castigate any religion.
So I can truthfully state that all religions preach peace, what you cannot see that, ok, PEACE.

This is what religions profess to preach.
The missing factor should be any persons ability to intepret whatever any religion preaches in a way that is satisfactory to their own beliefs.
Islam preaches peace, yet their are those who profess to be followers of that faith and yet they want and do commit murder, rape, etc.
Exactly the same can be said of Christains.

What a person does with a particular religion is what is the problem.
Most of these people whom we see as Terrorists have some point they are trying to make, no one listens so to get someone to listen they stoop to committing acts that are deemed as Terrorist acts.

Let me give an example, during WWII there was an resistance movement in France called the 'Maquis', these people assisted escaped POWs, plus assisted in executions of various people who were deemed to be collaborators as well as blowing up various installations, the occupying forces deemed them to be Terrorists and so far as the Germans were concerned that is what they were, yet to the French civillian population they were hero's.
It all depends on which side of whatever belief you happen to follow, as to whether the person is a Terrorist or a Hero and a Martyr.
Having said all that, a final point
Islam as well as Christianity are and were spread by the sword.
They conquer, you convert or you die.

what wise words.




as for you nes, muslims do have rules of engagement, I've already mentioned one to you, and that is not to fight unless being fought upon. Self Defence. Does that not pass as a ROE?

I'm so sure that the United States ROE is so great. Having sex with POWs and taking pictures. :rofl at the US ARMY


ALLAH AKBAR means god is great. Thats brainwash to you? What are you smoking. Call any preacher in any church a brainwasher for saying Jesus is great or Jesus loves you.

I perodically travel to the middle east and the culture and people are such a wonderful thing. Its amazing to say the least. I never once stepped into any place in the middle east with fear. I'm sorry to hear that you refuse to go.

I think your the one who is brainwashed by the bias in the media.

I think laws in the united states are just as bizzarre as the ones you say are bizzarre in the middle east. like the MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT OF 2006.

just go to Dumb Laws I mean for example, Indiana. Where its ILLEGAL TO SNIFF GLUE AND SELL CARS ON SUNDAY.


Maps in the middle east are different for a reason. It all depends on who you recognize as a nation. The united states recognizes israel, the middle east dosen't. Go complain about that some where else.



Ku Klux Klan is Christian.......take a gander here Ku Klux Klan -- Extremism in America


you can go to KKK.com their actual homepage and see for your self, they want a WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICA

 

[Makhno]

Bring back the USSR . . . you're safer with atheists.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

I think laws in the united states are just as bizzarre as the ones you say are bizzarre in the middle east. like the MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT OF 2006.

Worth noting that these strange new laws were passed only recently, after the election of a man supported by American religious extremists-- people whose agenda includes the "Christianizing" of this country and its government in much the same fashion as our enemies have "Islamized" theirs.

Ku Klux Klan is Christian.......take a gander here Ku Klux Klan -- Extremism in America

you can go to KKK.com their actual homepage and see for your self, they want a WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICA

It would be a mistake to believe that fundamentalist religious extremists in this country are all racists as well. While it may have once been the case, many of these political churches are making conscious efforts to reach out to minorities-- so that everyone can be united under their rule.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Bring back the USSR . . . you're safer with atheists.

In general, you're safer with people who don't believe that your religion is their business. Seem to recall that used to be a common-sense notion in American government.

 

[nes]

Wow, are you all mislead. A Muslim can come to the U.S. and shouldn't have fear of having his or her head cut off. A Non-Muslim American can go to Iran and I believe he or she would fear getting their head cut off.

Saying that state laws that aren't ever enforced and would be slammed down by courts if they were enforced are the same as laws in Muslim countries is outright retarded.

2006 Iranian sumptuary law controversy: Information from Answers.com

Both National Post articles went on to say that non-Muslim religious minorities in Iran would be required to wear "special insignia": yellow for Jews, red for Christians and blue for Zoroastrian. According to the article by Taheri, "[t]he new codes would enable Muslims to easily recognize non-Muslims so that they can avoid shaking hands with them by mistake, and thus becoming najis (unclean)."[1] According to both articles, Iranian Muslims would have to wear "standard Islamic garments".

When has a law such as this one passed in the United States recently? Look, they want to distinguish between Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians. Just like Hitler's soldiers distinguished Jews by their genetic traits.

If you opened a church in Iran, you think it would not get bombed after a year? How about getting your head cut off if you even held a cross or bible in your hand? Now what if someone sets up a mosque, are their going to be Christians bombing it? :rofl Show me even 1 incident where a Christian has bombed a mosque. Tens of thousands of Christians rallying in the streets in America to kill all Jews. Are you a Brainwashed Retard...? :yes:

You can't really be telling me that the reason there are no Christian churches in Iran is because nobody felt like building one there. What country houses terrorist that murder? I'm pretty sure that the United States justice system has when possible, prosecuted Ku Klux Klan members when they commit violent crimes. Do you think the Iranian government is going to prosecute an Iranian who kills an "infidel" (AKA Jew)?

FYI I believe that there are NO Muslims in heaven and that there are plenty undergoing an infinite amount of suffering in hell.
Pitch black darkness while hearing nonstop screaming, stacked on top one another with pain worse than fire all over their body for ever and ever. So even after a trillion years, they'll still be punished .

 

[Volker]

2006 Iranian sumptuary law controversy: Information from Answers.com

This is an interesting source, you shouldn't stop citing it when it becomes interesting.

Both National Post articles went on to say that non-Muslim religious minorities in Iran would be required to wear "special insignia": yellow for Jews, red for Christians and blue for Zoroastrian. According to the article by Taheri, "[t]he new codes would enable Muslims to easily recognize non-Muslims so that they can avoid shaking hands with them by mistake, and thus becoming najis (unclean)."[1] According to both articles, Iranian Muslims would have to wear "standard Islamic garments".

Numerous other sources, including Maurice Motamed, the Jewish member of the Iranian parliament and the Iranian Embassy in Canada, refuted the report as untrue. The National Post later retracted Wattie's original article ("Iran eyes badges for Jews: Law would require non-Muslim insignia") and published an article, also by Wattie, to the contrary ("Experts say reports of badges for Jews in Iran is untrue"). [2]. Wattie's original article listed only "human rights groups" and "Iranian expatriates living in Canada" as its sources. Amir Taheri made a statement on May 22 saying the National Post story he authored was used by "a number of reports that somehow jumped the gun" and that he stands by the article. Amir states he raised the issue "not as a news story" but rather "as an opinion column".[3].

So, look, your source says, the newspaper apologized for printing a wrong story.

On May 24th, the National Post apologized for its reports that the Iranian law would "require Jews and other religious minorities in Iran to wear badges". "It is now clear the story is not true," wrote Editor-in-chief Douglas Kelly in a long editorial appearing on Page 2.

This is all in your source.

Maybe you forgot to post this part, I wonder why :roll:

 

[Red_Dave]

ahhh yes I do.
If it did happen it would be covered.
Problem is........... it doesn’t happen.

Whats makes you think that? The media cant cover everything that happens so you,ve got to work out which storys will reach the top of the pile. This is going to be influenced by [A] Whether it will be grab peoples attention, and what the editors want you to see. Scare storys tend to end up on top of the pile therefore peaceful muslims arent a subject that can be screamed about hysterically on Fox News.

I could say you dont see white people marching against the klu klux klan but that doesnt mean the majoirty of white people support them.

 

[cherokee]

Whats makes you think that? The media cant cover everything that happens so you,ve got to work out which storys will reach the top of the pile. This is going to be influenced by [A] Whether it will be grab peoples attention, and what the editors want you to see. Scare storys tend to end up on top of the pile therefore peaceful muslims arent a subject that can be screamed about hysterically on Fox News.

Yeah right....:roll: Like a demonstration against violent Islam wouldn’t make headlines. Go right on ahead and keep living in your fantasy world.

I could say you dont see white people marching against the klu klux klan but that doesnt mean the majoirty of white people support them.

Bullchit! You have never been to a KKK rally.
I have and the many of the protesters are white.
Try again….

 

[Red_Dave]

Yeah right....:roll: Like a demonstration against violent Islam wouldn’t make headlines. Go right on ahead and keep living in your fantasy world.




Bullchit! You have never been to a KKK rally.
I have and the many of the protesters are white.
Try again….

Nope, My intellectual slave masters in the media have not shown me white people demonstateing against the KKK, it doesnt happen.This means all white people support racism *puts fingers in ears and sings*

 

[cherokee]

what wise words.
as for you nes, muslims do have rules of engagement, I've already mentioned one to you, and that is not to fight unless being fought upon. Self Defence. Does that not pass as a ROE?
I'm so sure that the United States ROE is so great. Having sex with POWs and taking pictures. :rofl at the US ARMY

ALLAH AKBAR means god is great. Thats brainwash to you? What are you smoking. Call any preacher in any church a brainwasher for saying Jesus is great or Jesus loves you.

I perodically travel to the middle east and the culture and people are such a wonderful thing. Its amazing to say the least. I never once stepped into any place in the middle east with fear. I'm sorry to hear that you refuse to go.

I think your the one who is brainwashed by the bias in the media.

I think laws in the united states are just as bizzarre as the ones you say are bizzarre in the middle east. like the MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT OF 2006.

just go to Dumb Laws I mean for example, Indiana. Where its ILLEGAL TO SNIFF GLUE AND SELL CARS ON SUNDAY.


Maps in the middle east are different for a reason. It all depends on who you recognize as a nation. The united states recognizes israel, the middle east dosen't. Go complain about that some where else.



Ku Klux Klan is Christian.......take a gander here Ku Klux Klan -- Extremism in America


you can go to KKK.com their actual homepage and see for your self, they want a WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICA

Tell me bubba and just what do we do to those people in our Military that break the laws? hmmm?
We CM them and punish them!

So what we have some stupid laws on the books, at least none of them call for someone to be killed if they convert to another religion, at least a girl isn’t convicted of having sex and killed because she was raped!

Look at the KKK. They are NOTHING! And just for the record why don’t you attend a KKK rally and see just how the protesters ALWAYS out number the KKK members!

And last maybe the reason the US recognizes Israel is for the simple fact they are civilized while those around her are NOT!
Maybe that’s why the West leads the world in technologies and the Middle East still lives in the Stone Age.
Funny how they have all that oil money and they live like third world countries.

 

[cherokee]

Nope, My intellectual slave masters in the media have not shown me white people demonstateing against the KKK, it doesnt happen.This means all white people support racism *puts fingers in ears and sings*

Try again because they do cover the protesters.
Maybe its the simple fact the KKK doesn’t hold many rallies because they don’t have anywhere near the members it did?...
WOW that’s a thought!:2wave:

 

[Red_Dave]

Try again because they do cover the protesters.
Maybe its the simple fact the KKK doesn’t hold many rallies because they don’t have anywhere near the members it did?...
WOW that’s a thought!:2wave:

what? im talking about demonstations *against* the kkk

 

[Shayah]

If you look at the many violent hot spots in the world today, the vast majority of these involve Islamists in some capacity. This will continue to be the case until Islam institutes and embraces a theological reformation.

 

[IAmMrTea08]

If you opened a church in Iran, you think it would not get bombed after a year? How about getting your head cut off if you even held a cross or bible in your hand? Now what if someone sets up a mosque, are their going to be Christians bombing it? :rofl Show me even 1 incident where a Christian has bombed a mosque.

Believe it or not but Christianity and the United States both have had violent histories. The US has already been in 10 major wars in only 200 years. 3 wars a generation?! thats insane!!

An example of when a Christian burned a Mosque? hmm well I don't know, maybe the CRUSADES!?!


how about right now........ take a lookie here Indonesian Christians attack mosques - Brief Article Christian Century - Find Articles


Islam has a pretty ugly history and so does Judaism and Christianity, I think we can all agree on at least that..... can't we?


For those who continue to keep calling the middle east poor and broke and so on. Its a war torn region, but so is Africa. Just because its not as technology ridden as the west does not mean that countries should not be recognized. And their wealth does not determine their behavior. So that does not mean they are frickin cavemen and are not civilized people.

No one in Islam is KILLED for BEING raped. Thats the countries law, not part of Islam.


There is not one person in this whole forum who respects Islam? Thats sickening.


nes......you're words here "FYI I believe that there are NO Muslims in heaven and that there are plenty undergoing an infinite amount of suffering in hell.
Pitch black darkness while hearing nonstop screaming, stacked on top one another with pain worse than fire all over their body for ever and ever. So even after a trillion years, they'll still be punished" could not be more insulting.

Why is this sort of discrimination tolerated no this forum?