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Any chance the Taliban has evolved?

MrWonka

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Obviously, any statements being made by the Taliban have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. No question a watchful eye will need to be kept.
But according to the Taliban spokesman they are guaranteeing no attacks on America will come from Afghanistan. They have also said that they will continue to allow women and girls to attend school.
Obviously, time will tell and we shouldn't exactly take them on their word, but is there any chance they could be telling the truth?
After all, the Taliban did not attack us on 9/11, Al Qaeda did. Granted they were hiding out in Afghanistan, but attempting to protect them got the Taliban almost 20 years of war and exile.
We know for sure that historically the Taliban's treatment of women and girls was horrible, as it was in many Muslim countries. But that was 20 years ago. In many other Muslim nations, there has been progress in these areas.
If the Taliban wants to have any hope of winning over women in this country it is going to be hard to go back now that they've tasted more freedom. If every woman in the country flees that's going to cause some problems.
Is it all possible that the Taliban is as sick and tired of war as we are? Is it possible that now that they have control of their country again they will want to enjoy their victory, relax and stay out of the spotlight for a while?
Not ruffle any feathers and repair some of the divides in their own country?
 
Evolved into what?

It is far more likely they are being tactful in dealing with taking over a nation in just a few days, there is work to do before they go too far in turning the nation backwards a few hundred years.
 
Into......a group savvy enough to be savage without reincurring invasion?
 
MrWonka said:
Obviously, any statements being made by the Taliban have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. No question a watchful eye will need to be kept.
But according to the Taliban spokesman they are guaranteeing no attacks on America will come from Afghanistan. They have also said that they will continue to allow women and girls to attend school.
Obviously, time will tell and we shouldn't exactly take them on their word, but is there any chance they could be telling the truth?
After all, the Taliban did not attack us on 9/11, Al Qaeda did. Granted they were hiding out in Afghanistan, but attempting to protect them got the Taliban almost 20 years of war and exile.
We know for sure that historically the Taliban's treatment of women and girls was horrible, as it was in many Muslim countries. But that was 20 years ago. In many other Muslim nations, there has been progress in these areas.
If the Taliban wants to have any hope of winning over women in this country it is going to be hard to go back now that they've tasted more freedom. If every woman in the country flees that's going to cause some problems.
Is it all possible that the Taliban is as sick and tired of war as we are? Is it possible that now that they have control of their country again they will want to enjoy their victory, relax and stay out of the spotlight for a while?
Not ruffle any feathers and repair some of the divides in their own country?
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Extremely unlikely, but it is possible that running actually a country and an economy, protecting their borders, making sure the trains run on time, that the garbage gets picked up, and that people have jobs, and food on the table may demand that they 'evolve' at least enough to stay in power. They have to have something important to lose, if they don't evolve for them to develop a constituency in favor of reform.
 
they evolved, but slowwwwwww
 
MrWonka said:
Obviously, any statements being made by the Taliban have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. No question a watchful eye will need to be kept.
But according to the Taliban spokesman they are guaranteeing no attacks on America will come from Afghanistan. They have also said that they will continue to allow women and girls to attend school.
Obviously, time will tell and we shouldn't exactly take them on their word, but is there any chance they could be telling the truth?
After all, the Taliban did not attack us on 9/11, Al Qaeda did. Granted they were hiding out in Afghanistan, but attempting to protect them got the Taliban almost 20 years of war and exile.
We know for sure that historically the Taliban's treatment of women and girls was horrible, as it was in many Muslim countries. But that was 20 years ago. In many other Muslim nations, there has been progress in these areas.
If the Taliban wants to have any hope of winning over women in this country it is going to be hard to go back now that they've tasted more freedom. If every woman in the country flees that's going to cause some problems.
Is it all possible that the Taliban is as sick and tired of war as we are? Is it possible that now that they have control of their country again they will want to enjoy their victory, relax and stay out of the spotlight for a while?
Not ruffle any feathers and repair some of the divides in their own country?
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They might reconsider open air terrorist camps.
 
I'm optimistic.

I think they'll behave.

Our goal was to stop Afghanistan from harboring terrorists and exporting terrorism.

We might reach our goal yet.


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They've evolved to using more modern weapons.
 
No Chance. They are the same barbarians they always were and will always be.
 

Any chance the Taliban has evolved?​


Most viruses can over time.
 
MrWonka said:
Obviously, any statements being made by the Taliban have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. No question a watchful eye will need to be kept.
But according to the Taliban spokesman they are guaranteeing no attacks on America will come from Afghanistan. They have also said that they will continue to allow women and girls to attend school.
Obviously, time will tell and we shouldn't exactly take them on their word, but is there any chance they could be telling the truth?
After all, the Taliban did not attack us on 9/11, Al Qaeda did. Granted they were hiding out in Afghanistan, but attempting to protect them got the Taliban almost 20 years of war and exile.
We know for sure that historically the Taliban's treatment of women and girls was horrible, as it was in many Muslim countries. But that was 20 years ago. In many other Muslim nations, there has been progress in these areas.
If the Taliban wants to have any hope of winning over women in this country it is going to be hard to go back now that they've tasted more freedom. If every woman in the country flees that's going to cause some problems.
Is it all possible that the Taliban is as sick and tired of war as we are? Is it possible that now that they have control of their country again they will want to enjoy their victory, relax and stay out of the spotlight for a while?
Not ruffle any feathers and repair some of the divides in their own country?
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Very doubtful and we will be shooting Taliban aircraft out of the sky for years to come.
 
MrWonka said:
Obviously, any statements being made by the Taliban have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. No question a watchful eye will need to be kept.
But according to the Taliban spokesman they are guaranteeing no attacks on America will come from Afghanistan. They have also said that they will continue to allow women and girls to attend school.
Obviously, time will tell and we shouldn't exactly take them on their word, but is there any chance they could be telling the truth?
After all, the Taliban did not attack us on 9/11, Al Qaeda did. Granted they were hiding out in Afghanistan, but attempting to protect them got the Taliban almost 20 years of war and exile.
We know for sure that historically the Taliban's treatment of women and girls was horrible, as it was in many Muslim countries. But that was 20 years ago. In many other Muslim nations, there has been progress in these areas.
If the Taliban wants to have any hope of winning over women in this country it is going to be hard to go back now that they've tasted more freedom. If every woman in the country flees that's going to cause some problems.
Is it all possible that the Taliban is as sick and tired of war as we are? Is it possible that now that they have control of their country again they will want to enjoy their victory, relax and stay out of the spotlight for a while?
Not ruffle any feathers and repair some of the divides in their own country?
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Possible, but more likely that they're lying. They're telling the people in Kabul that they'll let girls go to school and women have jobs, but that's not consistent with what they're doing in the provincial cities.
 
They haven't evolved, they are just trying to do a psyche game until they have fully consolidated all control. Who would think they have evolved?

They also don't want to seem like they are going too far, before they can recognized by China, Russia, and a few others. But they aren't in this to make Afghanistan into a modern nation, they are in it to turn back the clock to their medevial way of life going back centuries. They aren't trying to be Saudi Arabia, or Jordan, or even Iran. They are trying to be like the tribal frontier jihadists going back to the time of Moehammed. They wish to export their jihad into Syria, Pakistan and where ever they can.
 
bearpoker said:
Possible, but more likely that they're lying. They're telling the people in Kabul that they'll let girls go to school and women have jobs, but that's not consistent with what they're doing in the provincial cities.
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In Kabul there are probably a lot of business owners screaming that a good chunk of their labor force isn't showing up for work. In more rural areas, maybe not so much. This has nothing to do with respect for women. Culture doesn't change that fast.

But still, we've managed to plant a seed here, haven't we? It may be dormant or extremely slow growing, but the women WILL NOT forget the past 20 years. They are only at the beginning of their journey and it's going to be a serious fight, but someday the women in Afghanistan will be free. I hope all the nations of the world will support them.
 
swing_voter said:
I'm optimistic.

I think they'll behave.

Our goal was to stop Afghanistan from harboring terrorists and exporting terrorism.

We might reach our goal yet.
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The Media seems to be ready to blame Biden for anything the Taliban does wrong.

Seems like Biden is just trying to wage Peace, and honor the Peace Treaty signed by Trump.

Trump was having people hold up the processing of the SVI Visas for Afghan translators. Takes 4 years,legal limit is 9 months.




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MrWonka said:
Obviously, any statements being made by the Taliban have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. No question a watchful eye will need to be kept.

Is it all possible that the Taliban is as sick and tired of war as we are? Is it possible that now that they have control of their country again they will want to enjoy their victory, relax and stay out of the spotlight for a while?
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Now that they are assuming the position of Afghanistan's ruling class by outlasting the mighty West's power with patience, their main concern is to get on the same page throughout all of Afghanistan asap and like all groups of people in modern times, money is the bonding ingredient that keeps it all together. I suppose after 5 or so years from now, they may have other plans to pursue. By then, other conflicts and wars will have taken place and that might nudge them to join one side's effort.
 
Reptiles do evolve, but it takes 1000's of years. These guys might change a few public behaviours, but it will be many generations before any true evolution occurs. Why would they give up the power they enjoy over the people, especially women, through fear and violence. These aren't enlightened souls that we are talking about.
 
The spokesman for the Taliban said that the Islamic group has not changed fundamentally in the past few decades, still sticking to their core beliefs and values. We cannot expect them to change their behavior drastically unless they are completely eliminated from the country.
 

Any chance the Taliban has evolved?​

Not a chance in hell!
 
No.
 
Of course they had. The old Taliban was very much a Pashtun ethnic militia.

The modern Taliban has gone out of their way to broaden their appeal and present themselves as a legitimate government.

They have absolutely changed, just not in a way that means much to most people.
 
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