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Any Amendments you'd like to see repealed?

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The 2nd.







*grabs popcorn*

With a well armed public a Totalitarian Dictatorship is impossible to establish. Without a Totalitarian Dictatorship a Holocaust or similar situation is impossible to achieve.
 

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With a well armed public a Totalitarian Dictatorship is impossible to establish. Without a Totalitarian Dictatorship a Holocaust or similar situation is impossible to achieve.

Agreed, I was only trying to create controversy. This thread was clearly aimed at at the anti-gun crowd, so I gave the OP what he wanted.

I'm not in that crowd personally. I'm all for responsible & trained people having guns. That's my criteria though, responsible & trained.

In order to ensure these standards are met, I personally think gun owners should be required to pass some sort of test in order to acquire a permit. These tests would eliminate some "impulse-buys", inject money into the NRA (or whoever is in charge of the vetting process) & reduce accidents related to insufficient gun safety knowledge.

However, when proposed, these measures are met with anger. I like to compare the need for a gun permit to the need for a car permit, but I kept being told "The car is not a constitutional right". Indeed, it isn't. But amending the Constitution is not impossible. I believe the Constitution should serve the US & reflect the will & need of the people.

But hey, all these points are not in the proper thread. My apologies OP :3oops:
 

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Agreed, I was only trying to create controversy. This thread was clearly aimed at at the anti-gun crowd, so I gave the OP what he wanted.

I'm not in that crowd personally. I'm all for responsible & trained people having guns. That's my criteria though, responsible & trained.

In order to ensure these standards are met, I personally think gun owners should be required to pass some sort of test in order to acquire a permit. These tests would eliminate some "impulse-buys", inject money into the NRA (or whoever is in charge of the vetting process) & reduce accidents related to insufficient gun safety knowledge.

However, when proposed, these measures are met with anger. I like to compare the need for a gun permit to the need for a car permit, but I kept being told "The car is not a constitutional right". Indeed, it isn't. But amending the Constitution is not impossible. I believe the Constitution should serve the US & reflect the will & need of the people.

But hey, all these points are not in the proper thread. My apologies OP :3oops:
Swiiiiing and a miss! Hate to break it to ya, but the thread has no specific Amendment or topic in mind. You don't have to believe me, as is your right, but as the OP I can categorically state that the thread is generic and is about all the Amendments.
 

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Swiiiiing and a miss! Hate to break it to ya, but the thread has no specific Amendment or topic in mind. You don't have to believe me, as is your right, but as the OP I can categorically state that the thread is generic and is about all the Amendments.

Ah, well if you say so I believe you. You probably understand my train of thought though. A lot of threads are started and appear "general" but have a particular and specific agenda. Better luck next time :cool:
 

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Ah, well if you say so I believe you. You probably understand my train of thought though. A lot of threads are started and appear "general" but have a particular and specific agenda. Better luck next time :cool:

In post #5 you answered my post with the 2nd. In my original post I said the 17th and the 22nd. I made no mention or inference to the 2nd.
 

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Agreed, I was only trying to create controversy. This thread was clearly aimed at at the anti-gun crowd, so I gave the OP what he wanted.

I'm not in that crowd personally. I'm all for responsible & trained people having guns. That's my criteria though, responsible & trained.

In order to ensure these standards are met, I personally think gun owners should be required to pass some sort of test in order to acquire a permit. These tests would eliminate some "impulse-buys", inject money into the NRA (or whoever is in charge of the vetting process) & reduce accidents related to insufficient gun safety knowledge.

However, when proposed, these measures are met with anger. I like to compare the need for a gun permit to the need for a car permit, but I kept being told "The car is not a constitutional right". Indeed, it isn't. But amending the Constitution is not impossible. I believe the Constitution should serve the US & reflect the will & need of the people.

But hey, all these points are not in the proper thread. My apologies OP :3oops:

Even though the topic seems stuck on one issue I will respond to your "suggestion". To operate a vehicle you must be licensed but not to own a vehicle, same goes for guns, you have to pass a course before being allowed to carry firearms on you for defensive purposes but you are not to simply own a gun. So it seems your request has already been fulfilled as it stands now.
 

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Even though the topic seems stuck on one issue I will respond to your "suggestion". To operate a vehicle you must be licensed but not to own a vehicle, same goes for guns, you have to pass a course before being allowed to carry firearms on you for defensive purposes but you are not to simply own a gun. So it seems your request has already been fulfilled as it stands now.

Indeed. Maybe check the permit if someone wants to acquire ammo in that case ? That way, people who "operate" firearms are required to have a permit ?
 

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Indeed. Maybe check the permit if someone wants to acquire ammo in that case ? That way, people who "operate" firearms are required to have a permit ?

Nope, firearm ammo is no different from gas in your car, no permit required.
 

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Agreed, I was only trying to create controversy. This thread was clearly aimed at at the anti-gun crowd, so I gave the OP what he wanted.

I'm not in that crowd personally. I'm all for responsible & trained people having guns. That's my criteria though, responsible & trained.

In order to ensure these standards are met, I personally think gun owners should be required to pass some sort of test in order to acquire a permit. These tests would eliminate some "impulse-buys", inject money into the NRA (or whoever is in charge of the vetting process) & reduce accidents related to insufficient gun safety knowledge.

However, when proposed, these measures are met with anger. I like to compare the need for a gun permit to the need for a car permit, but I kept being told "The car is not a constitutional right". Indeed, it isn't. But amending the Constitution is not impossible. I believe the Constitution should serve the US & reflect the will & need of the people.

But hey, all these points are not in the proper thread. My apologies OP :3oops:

The problem is wannabe Totalitarian Dictators like Obama and Hillary will expand and use all the gun regulations and requirement you list above as measures for extreme gun control.

The answer is to not even let Govt get its foot in the door. Aside from basic background checks Govt should have no knowledge of the firearms Americans own.

Regarding your comment to amend the Constitution: Obama once called the US Constitution a "Charter of Negative Liberties" In this interview he went on to make it very clear that his disapproval was due to the fact that the Constitution protects American Freedom by restriction th power of the Govt. Obama went on to say that the Constitution should mandated the Govt do for the people what they need, and what they need is what he and others like him decide.
 

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imo the wife and i would like to see it be mandatory for people to attend church. just like children need to go to school and learn about "science".
 

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Indeed. Maybe check the permit if someone wants to acquire ammo in that case ? That way, people who "operate" firearms are required to have a permit ?

Cisero,,,A Libertarian even one who leans Left advocating for more Govt power is like a Marxist advocating for Free Market Capitalism.

It seems that a favorite propaganda tactic of the Left is to muddy the political waters by changing the language to benefit themselves.

Up until about a century ago the term "Liberal" described a person who desired individual freedom, limited power Govt and Free market Capitalism.

Over the last 100 years Socialist started using the term Liberal to describe themselves until it's definition was totally changed. With Gary Johnson and people like you Cisero it looks like they are going after "Libertarian" ass well.
 

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imo the wife and i would like to see it be mandatory for people to attend church. just like children need to go to school and learn about "science".

Right. :roll: Of course you do.
 

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that has some good points but some states don't enforce their own constitutions properly

I agree with that. The difference is the states come closer to enforcement than the federal government, plus, the remedy at the state level can be swift and decisive with a statewide referendum.
 

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Cisero,,,A Libertarian even one who leans Left advocating for more Govt power is like a Marxist advocating for Free Market Capitalism.

It seems that a favorite propaganda tactic of the Left is to muddy the political waters by changing the language to benefit themselves.

Up until about a century ago the term "Liberal" described a person who desired individual freedom, limited power Govt and Free market Capitalism.

Over the last 100 years Socialist started using the term Liberal to describe themselves until it's definition was totally changed. With Gary Johnson and people like you Cisero it looks like they are going after "Libertarian" ass well.

You know, individuals have lots of different opinions & beliefs. Just because you see "Libertarian - Left" under my pseudo does not mean I align with all libertarian - left positions.

I'm all for limiting the Govt & giving freedom to the people. I however don't think total freedom to acquire a very dangerous firearm that can potentially be used for great harm is a good idea. It's all about managing the community in order to maximize life quality for everybody.

What reduces more the communities life quality ?

- Requiring people to pass a test in order to obtain a gun permit ?
- Accepting that some injuries/deaths will occur because of a lack of proper vetting ?
 
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