Antimaskers are worse than antivaxxers

[Deuce]

I've remarked several times on these forums equating antimaskers to antivaxxers. We have forums poster apdst to thank for this, as he's the one who introduced me to the term "antimasker." Made the connection easy. But thinking over it some more, I've realized I was wrong. Antimaskers are much, much worse than antivaxxers.

While they're dumb, ignorant, gullible, and wrong, antivaxxers have a motive that's easy to understand. They're afraid of harming their children via vaccination. This fear is based on the usual nonsense that drives most conspiracy theories. The "worst case scenario" they are afraid of if their ideas are correct is their child having a severe allergic reaction, a dangerous autoimmune response, or autism. They're not willing to try and protect the public out of fear of that harm. They're willing to risk infecting their own child with a serious disease, and potentially spread that disease to others who can't or wont be protected.

Meanwhile, antimaskers. Antimaskers are not willing to try and protect the public out of fear of... mild discomfort. Their worst case scenario if their ideas are correct is wearing an unnecessary mask at Target. They're willing to risk infecting everybody they encounter. And everyone those people encounter. The public, the troops, their elected officials, their favorite sports teams, even their own children. Sure, COVID-19 isn't as serious at an individual level as a Measles infection, but it still can kill you. Or your wife. Or your grandparents. Or your neighbor.

This motive is not easy to understand. If you cared about your country, you'd be willing to risk a mild inconvenience to protect it.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Does this little rant apply to the protesters and rioters from the last 3 to 4 weeks?

 

[swing_voter]

There was this one idiot at a town hall meeting who screamed,

"YOU CAN"T MUZZLE ME!!!!"

 

[aociswundumho]

They're not willing to try and protect the public out of fear of that harm.

Won't they only infect other people who aren't wearing masks? If you're wearing a mask, what difference does it make to you if other people don't?

 

[Felis Leo]

I've remarked several times on these forums equating antimaskers to antivaxxers. We have forums poster apdst to thank for this, as he's the one who introduced me to the term "antimasker." Made the connection easy. But thinking over it some more, I've realized I was wrong. Antimaskers are much, much worse than antivaxxers.

While they're dumb, ignorant, gullible, and wrong, antivaxxers have a motive that's easy to understand. They're afraid of harming their children via vaccination. This fear is based on the usual nonsense that drives most conspiracy theories. The "worst case scenario" they are afraid of if their ideas are correct is their child having a severe allergic reaction, a dangerous autoimmune response, or autism. They're not willing to try and protect the public out of fear of that harm. They're willing to risk infecting their own child with a serious disease, and potentially spread that disease to others who can't or wont be protected.

Meanwhile, antimaskers. Antimaskers are not willing to try and protect the public out of fear of... mild discomfort. Their worst case scenario if their ideas are correct is wearing an unnecessary mask at Target. They're willing to risk infecting everybody they encounter. And everyone those people encounter. The public, the troops, their elected officials, their favorite sports teams, even their own children. Sure, COVID-19 isn't as serious at an individual level as a Measles infection, but it still can kill you. Or your wife. Or your grandparents. Or your neighbor.

This motive is not easy to understand. If you cared about your country, you'd be willing to risk a mild inconvenience to protect it.

No they are not.

Anti-vaccination fanatics end up killing their children, specifically, those in their care as well as other children. People who do not wear masks end up killing the elderly.

I do not wish to offend this forum's main demographic, but child killers are always worse than those who kill the elderly, whatever their motivations.

 

[lwf]

Won't they only infect other people who aren't wearing masks? If you're wearing a mask, what difference does it make to you if other people don't?

Masks don't protect the wearers from getting infected by other people. They protect other people from getting infected by the mask wearer. It's no different than covering your mouth when you sneeze. You don't to it to keep from getting sick, you do it to keep others from getting sick in case you are. And because you aren't an ignorant child with no sense of manners or social etiquette.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Does this little rant apply to the protesters and rioters from the last 3 to 4 weeks?

Research Determines Protests Did Not Cause Spike In Coronavirus Cases

 

[Deuce]

Does this little rant apply to the protesters and rioters from the last 3 to 4 weeks?

People protesting in close proximity without masks were causing harm, yes. How much exactly is hard to say.

 

[Deuce]

No they are not.

Anti-vaccination fanatics end up killing their children, specifically, those in their care as well as other children. People who do not wear masks end up killing the elderly.

I do not wish to offend this forum's main demographic, but child killers are always worse than those who kill the elderly, whatever their motivations.

Children also die from COVID-19, and not everyone who goes unvaccinated gets infected as a child.

 

[aociswundumho]

Masks don't protect the wearers from getting infected by other people.

Apparently there is new research that they do:

Masks may protect the wearer from the coronavirus more than originally thought, new research suggests - cleveland.com

 

[Deuce]

Apparently there is new research that they do:

Masks may protect the wearer from the coronavirus more than originally thought, new research suggests - cleveland.com

Even more reason to not be an idiot, and wear them.

If right wingers need some better reason than "it's to protect you and your family," just point out that the more Americans get infected, the more troops will get infected. How many military units or vessels currently have degraded combat capacity due to infections?

 

[Craig234]

I think you mean the anti-mask position is worse than the anti-vax position. It's hard for the anti-mask person to be worse when it's so much the same person with both views.

 

[Deuce]

I think you mean the anti-mask position is worse than the anti-vax position. It's hard for the anti-mask person to be worse when it's so much the same person with both views.

There probably is a fair bit of overlap, but antivax isn't really specific to political ideologies the way antimask is.

 

[Jay59]

Does this little rant apply to the protesters and rioters from the last 3 to 4 weeks?

Call them what they are--terrorists.

 

[HumblePi]

 

[JMR]

Won't they only infect other people who aren't wearing masks? If you're wearing a mask, what difference does it make to you if other people don't?

Have you missed the reason to wear a mask? It's to keep YOUR droplets out of the public air.

 

[Deuce]

Call them what they are--terrorists.

Riots and protests are not terrorism.

 

[Deuce]

Won't they only infect other people who aren't wearing masks? If you're wearing a mask, what difference does it make to you if other people don't?

This logic would only work if you believe masks are perfect protection for either party.

Do you believe this?

 

[SCrider]

Does this little rant apply to the protesters and rioters from the last 3 to 4 weeks?

So childish to defend your bad behavior by pointing out others bad behavior.

 

[Rosie1]

IDK, I think it's a similar mentality, my anti-vax cousin also is anti-mask. I don't know how she's getting her groceries, as her area probably has the mask rule going on.

The difference I see is that anti-vax hasn't been politicized by one party over the other, as much as masks seem to have.

 

[pocket aces]

It is funny hearing someone call themselves an alpha, and then cry about having to wear a mask because it makes them uncomfortable.

 

[Bullseye]

I've remarked several times on these forums equating antimaskers to antivaxxers. We have forums poster apdst to thank for this, as he's the one who introduced me to the term "antimasker." Made the connection easy. But thinking over it some more, I've realized I was wrong. Antimaskers are much, much worse than antivaxxers.

While they're dumb, ignorant, gullible, and wrong, antivaxxers have a motive that's easy to understand. They're afraid of harming their children via vaccination. This fear is based on the usual nonsense that drives most conspiracy theories. The "worst case scenario" they are afraid of if their ideas are correct is their child having a severe allergic reaction, a dangerous autoimmune response, or autism. They're not willing to try and protect the public out of fear of that harm. They're willing to risk infecting their own child with a serious disease, and potentially spread that disease to others who can't or wont be protected.

Meanwhile, antimaskers. Antimaskers are not willing to try and protect the public out of fear of... mild discomfort. Their worst case scenario if their ideas are correct is wearing an unnecessary mask at Target. They're willing to risk infecting everybody they encounter. And everyone those people encounter. The public, the troops, their elected officials, their favorite sports teams, even their own children. Sure, COVID-19 isn't as serious at an individual level as a Measles infection, but it still can kill you. Or your wife. Or your grandparents. Or your neighbor.

This motive is not easy to understand. If you cared about your country, you'd be willing to risk a mild inconvenience to protect it.

You hear about the Starbucks barista that refused to serve a woman who wasn't wearing a mask; she verbally abused him for about five minutes. The other patrons gave him huge tips and a Go Fund Me page was started - as of last night the total is into six figures.

 

[btthegreat]

Does this little rant apply to the protesters and rioters from the last 3 to 4 weeks?

It applies to the protesters who refused to put on a mask.
Rioters and looters are entirely different problem for which we have statutes and criminal courts.

 

[pocket aces]

You hear about the Starbucks barista that refused to serve a woman who wasn't wearing a mask; she verbally abused him for about five minutes. The other patrons gave him huge tips and a Go Fund Me page was started - as of last night the total is into six figures.

That's awesome.

 

[AmNat]

I've remarked several times on these forums equating antimaskers to antivaxxers. We have forums poster apdst to thank for this, as he's the one who introduced me to the term "antimasker." Made the connection easy. But thinking over it some more, I've realized I was wrong. Antimaskers are much, much worse than antivaxxers.

While they're dumb, ignorant, gullible, and wrong, antivaxxers have a motive that's easy to understand. They're afraid of harming their children via vaccination. This fear is based on the usual nonsense that drives most conspiracy theories. The "worst case scenario" they are afraid of if their ideas are correct is their child having a severe allergic reaction, a dangerous autoimmune response, or autism. They're not willing to try and protect the public out of fear of that harm. They're willing to risk infecting their own child with a serious disease, and potentially spread that disease to others who can't or wont be protected.

Meanwhile, antimaskers. Antimaskers are not willing to try and protect the public out of fear of... mild discomfort. Their worst case scenario if their ideas are correct is wearing an unnecessary mask at Target. They're willing to risk infecting everybody they encounter. And everyone those people encounter. The public, the troops, their elected officials, their favorite sports teams, even their own children. Sure, COVID-19 isn't as serious at an individual level as a Measles infection, but it still can kill you. Or your wife. Or your grandparents. Or your neighbor.

This motive is not easy to understand. If you cared about your country, you'd be willing to risk a mild inconvenience to protect it.

I do not know of anyone (aside from certain religious sects) who is opposed to vaccines. What seems to be the case in that some people have concerns about the safety or necessity of certain vaccines, and receive only scorn and ridicule but never an explanation for why they're wrong.

As for masks, it's not an issue of mild discomfort. The issue is that some people don't want to participate in paranoid hysteria. It's a matter of principle so I wouldn't expect you to understand.

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