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"Antifa" are not liberals. "Antifa" are anarchists.

Phys251

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For years, American fascists have wanted the Reichstag fire. They wanted some shocking event to occur that would terrify the public and convince them to plunge America even closer to a fascist, authoritarian regime.

The fascists did not get the big Reichstag fire that they wanted, but they got a lot of little "Reichstag fires," in the forms of "Antifa" protests that got out of hand and/or were infiltrated by right-wing extremists.

What the fascists don't want you to know is one of "Antifa"'s most popular sayings: "Liberals get the bullet too." It's so simple: "Antifa" are anarchists, not liberals. Anarchists don't respect any authority.

But the fascists want you to believe that "Antifa" are liberals, because fascists are happy when they get their "little Reichstag fires." That's how they move us closer to permanent fascism.

(Credit @Lisa for the thread idea.)
 
I liked them better when they were called Rotfrontkämpferbund.
 
Well, duh. antifa is just a bunch of random little groups of loosely-associated thugs. There's no rigid or even national organization. No 'membership requirements' or anything. It's just random people who declare that they are against fascism, but act as if they're simply against government. So they run around, punch a police officer here, smash a window there. More pissant than thug, really. And that's the people who self-declare.

Then you've got right wing propaganda labeling any person filmed making trouble "antifa" and fear-mongering to the gullible base. Slots right in to their "I hate libruls" political identity.

Nut right wingers need their boogeymen, so we get the "ANTIFA" myth. You can even call them vile thugs who should be punished for any crimes they commit but you don't act like they're also this great big Evil Organization right down to a suited man petting a white cat, you'll still get some righty claiming you "defend" or "support" them.

Pathetic, really.



But that's where modern right wing propaganda has helped the people who became Trumpists lead themselves.
 
Phys251 said:
For years, American fascists have wanted the Reichstag fire. They wanted some shocking event to occur that would terrify the public and convince them to plunge America even closer to a fascist, authoritarian regime.

The fascists did not get the big Reichstag fire that they wanted, but they got a lot of little "Reichstag fires," in the forms of "Antifa" protests that got out of hand and/or were infiltrated by right-wing extremists.

What the fascists don't want you to know is one of "Antifa"'s most popular sayings: "Liberals get the bullet too." It's so simple: "Antifa" are anarchists, not liberals. Anarchists don't respect any authority.

But the fascists want you to believe that "Antifa" are liberals, because fascists are happy when they get their "little Reichstag fires." That's how they move us closer to permanent fascism.

(Credit @Lisa for the thread idea.)
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The very desire to create 'Antifa' as some sort of organized group shows how little some on the right pay attention. Anarchists don't do well with organized anything.
 
Phys251 said:
For years, American fascists have wanted the Reichstag fire. They wanted some shocking event to occur that would terrify the public and convince them to plunge America even closer to a fascist, authoritarian regime.

The fascists did not get the big Reichstag fire that they wanted, but they got a lot of little "Reichstag fires," in the forms of "Antifa" protests that got out of hand and/or were infiltrated by right-wing extremists.

What the fascists don't want you to know is one of "Antifa"'s most popular sayings: "Liberals get the bullet too." It's so simple: "Antifa" are anarchists, not liberals. Anarchists don't respect any authority.

But the fascists want you to believe that "Antifa" are liberals, because fascists are happy when they get their "little Reichstag fires." That's how they move us closer to permanent fascism.

(Credit @Lisa for the thread idea.)
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LOL
Yea, Antifa and BLM are Trump supporters.
We never saw any anarchy in the streets by Antifa who was side by side with BLM.
We saw how BLM respects authority.
 
Outlook said:
LOL
Yea, Antifa and BLM are Trump supporters.
We never saw any anarchy in the streets by Antifa who was side by side with BLM.
We saw how BLM respects authority.
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This is what you get when you respond without reading the OP based on your assumption of what the person must be saying based on their lean.

He said antifa are "anarchists". He said they do not respect any authority.

:ROFLMAO:



And while I get that you want to associate all of BLM and anyone who protests with the message that black lives matter as much as anyone elses' with antifa and "anarchy in the streets", but that post is simply moronic.

(I mean, what the hell is "Yea, Antifa and BLM are Trump supporters" about? Read straight or sarcastically, it isn't a coherent response to his post).
 
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Outlook said:
LOL
Yea, Antifa and BLM are Trump supporters.
We never saw any anarchy in the streets by Antifa who was side by side with BLM.
We saw how BLM respects authority.
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Mr Person said:
This is what you get when you respond without reading the OP based on your assumption of what the person must be saying based on their lean.

He said antifa are "anarchists".

:ROFLMAO:
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I read the OP. I agree with Outlook. I despise anarchy and I'm a fan of antifa. Antifa is anti-fascist, not anarchist.
 
Loulit01 said:
I read the OP. I agree with Outlook. I despise anarchy and I'm a fan of antifa. Antifa is anti-fascist, not anarchist.
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Why do you despise anarchy?
 
Loulit01 said:
I read the OP. I agree with Outlook. I despise anarchy and I'm a fan of antifa. Antifa is anti-fascist, not anarchist.
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I think you missed more than a few points as well here.


The OP (correctly) called antifa anarchists who do not respect any authority. He then further noted that generally speaking, Trumpists were hoping for everything to blow up further so that they could use it as an excuse to implement more authoritarian measures, which would in reality be directed at peaceful protests and the like.

Outlook's post is more or less incoherent as a response to that. The only clear thing he's trying to do is to associate all of BLM and anyone who protests with the message that black lives matter as much as anyone elses' with antifa and "anarchy in the streets". Phrases like "Antifa and BLM are Trump supporters." are incoherent, whether read seriously or sarcastically.


Outlook's was a very dumb post. And if you are a "fan of antifa" you do not actually agree with Outlook......
 
Outlook said:
LOL
Yea, Antifa and BLM are Trump supporters.
We never saw any anarchy in the streets by Antifa who was side by side with BLM.
We saw how BLM respects authority.
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The definition of anarchy in this context is a political position, not chaos.
 
Antiwar said:
What evidence supports this claim?
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There are plenty of pictures of that saying, spray-painted by "Antifa." I chose not to post them here for the same reason I choose not to post pictures of other violent sayings.

If you really wish to see them, they're a Google image search away. Don't say I didn't warn you.
 
Mr Person said:
I think you missed more than a few points as well here.


The OP (correctly) called antifa anarchists who do not respect any authority. He then further noted that generally speaking, Trumpists were hoping for everything to blow up further so that they could use it as an excuse to implement more authoritarian measures, which would in reality be directed at peaceful protests and the like.

Outlook's post is more or less incoherent as a response to that. The only clear thing he's trying to do is to associate all of BLM and anyone who protests with the message that black lives matter as much as anyone elses' with antifa and "anarchy in the streets". Phrases like "Antifa and BLM are Trump supporters." are incoherent, whether read seriously or sarcastically.


Outlook's was a very dumb post. And if you are a "fan of antifa" you do not actually agree with Outlook......
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I didn't miss anything. You and the OP are just wrong. FoxNews/Pravda talking points are not facts.
 
Mr Person said:
Well, duh. antifa is just a bunch of random little groups of loosely-associated thugs.
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Antifa has protected people during protests. Cornel West says they saved his life from aggressive right-wing people.
 
Phys251 said:
For years, American fascists have wanted the Reichstag fire. They wanted some shocking event to occur that would terrify the public and convince them to plunge America even closer to a fascist, authoritarian regime.

The fascists did not get the big Reichstag fire that they wanted, but they got a lot of little "Reichstag fires," in the forms of "Antifa" protests that got out of hand and/or were infiltrated by right-wing extremists.

What the fascists don't want you to know is one of "Antifa"'s most popular sayings: "Liberals get the bullet too." It's so simple: "Antifa" are anarchists, not liberals. Anarchists don't respect any authority.

But the fascists want you to believe that "Antifa" are liberals, because fascists are happy when they get their "little Reichstag fires." That's how they move us closer to permanent fascism.

(Credit @Lisa for the thread idea.)
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The original "Antifa in AMERICA" were our fathers and grandfathers who went overseas in uniform with guns.
For whatever reason, the "antifa" of today do indeed associate with anarchists more than anyone else and the reason for that is deceptively simple.
They largely lack faith in the two party system as it is.
Now granted, there's a lot to be said for such an outlook, our two party system is heavily flawed, but what's lost on them is the notion that one must work within the system to change it.
That is precisely how the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and the rest of the Seditionist Caucus have managed to wrest control of the Republican Party away from conservatives.

If our antifa of today understood this, they would have very very little to do with anarchists, and they would not be getting their training from them, which by the way is patently obvious.
 
Antiwar said:
Antifa has protected people during protests. Cornel West says they saved his life from aggressive right-wing people.
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Meanwhile tons of other people who self-identify as antifa have used (and posted about it) protests as cover to attack cops, smash windows, and generally raise hell.
 
Phys251 said:
There are plenty of pictures of that saying, spray-painted by "Antifa." I chose not to post them here for the same reason I choose not to post pictures of other violent sayings.

If you really wish to see them, they're a Google image search away. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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I'm only vaguely familiar with antifa. I don't believe that antifa has plans to shoot liberals.
 
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Outlook said:
LOL
Yea, Antifa and BLM are Trump supporters.
We never saw any anarchy in the streets by Antifa who was side by side with BLM.
We saw how BLM respects authority.
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White supremacists are Trump supporters and they are responsible for more violence than Antifa. Including at the BLM protests last summer. Get you own house in order before you criticize others..It's high time you disavowed all white supremacy groups and the violence they incite and create.

Man who helped ignite George Floyd riots identified as white supremacist: Police​

https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-helped-ignite-george-floyd-riots-identified-white/story?id=72051536

FBI: White Supremacists Coordinated Riots After George Floyd’s Killing​


https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-white-supremacists-coordinated-riots-110000017.html
 
Phys251 said:
For years, American fascists have wanted the Reichstag fire. They wanted some shocking event to occur that would terrify the public and convince them to plunge America even closer to a fascist, authoritarian regime.

The fascists did not get the big Reichstag fire that they wanted, but they got a lot of little "Reichstag fires," in the forms of "Antifa" protests that got out of hand and/or were infiltrated by right-wing extremists.

What the fascists don't want you to know is one of "Antifa"'s most popular sayings: "Liberals get the bullet too." It's so simple: "Antifa" are anarchists, not liberals. Anarchists don't respect any authority.

But the fascists want you to believe that "Antifa" are liberals, because fascists are happy when they get their "little Reichstag fires." That's how they move us closer to permanent fascism.

(Credit @Lisa for the thread idea.)
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I could at least respect Antifa if they had a somewhat unified list of demands or agenda. I might disagree and think they are idiots, but I could at least respect it.

Personally, I think they should have been dealt with months ago.
 
Mr Person said:
Meanwhile tons of other people who self-identify as antifa have used (and posted about it) protests as cover to attack cops, smash windows, and generally raise hell.
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I don't disagree. "Tons" seems like an exaggeration.
 
Loulit01 said:
I didn't miss anything. You and the OP are just wrong. FoxNews/Pravda talking points are not facts.
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You really did completely miss that Outlook was attempting to be sarcastic. You missed that he is trying to associate all of BLM and anyone who protests with the message that black lives matter as much as anyone elses' with antifa and "anarchy in the streets"; aka, he's trying to blame Antifa/BLM/Liberals for any rioting and looting. That is the "Foxnews talking point", and he is the one spreading it.

But you say you agree with Outlook. So if you really did understand what he was saying, that means that you believe that antifa and BLM were at those protests just to raise hell, loot, and burn, AND you like the fact that they did it.



Over in reality, the overwhelming majority of protesters were peaceful. They all shared the message that black lives matter as much as everyone else's. (The membership of the organization BLM being wayyyyy smaller than the number of people who turned out for the message). Meanwhile, criminals used the protesters as a shield between them and police, and committed crimes. And some of those were self-identified antifa members.

Also in reality, we understand that the number of people labeled "antifa" by right wing smaller is way smaller than the number of people actually in one of the barely-associated groups of people who declare themselves to be antifa. (Whereas RW media labels anyone seen causing havoc "antifa"). They're against authority. "Fascism" is just the pig's lipstick; being against fascism sure sounds a whole lot less threatening than being against authority/government. And if you really are just against fascism, you don't have slogans like "liberals get the bullet too" because ****ing duh you wouldn't.



But I really do find it hilarious that you are accusing me and @Phys251 of using "FoxNews/Pravda talking points." It's also refreshing. Usually I'm told I'm a "leftist" or "socialist".
 
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