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All Hizbollah need do now is assassinate yet 1 more Minister in the Lebanese Government, this will bring down that Government, which is exactly what Hizbollah want.
The country then goes under a caretaker Government until new elections can be held.
With these new elections Hizbollah will coerce as many of it's followers as it can into voting for Hizbollah candidates.
Then they will, if they gain a majority, kill the international tribunal into the killing of a previous Lebanese Anti Syrian Prime Minister.
If they fail to gain a majority they will use whatever leverage they can to demand yet more seats in Lebanese Parliament.
A great pity that Israel was unable to wipe them out.
Be really good if someone assassinated Nasrallah who currently heads up Hizbollah in Lebanon.
And you know for a fact that they are behind this assasination? I thought the standard parole was it was Syria (also without any evidence).
For all we know, it could be Isreal trying to stir up a civil war that would keep Hizbollah busy.. we simply dont know.
When in doubt blame the Jews.
and then whine pitiously about the tragic unfairness of it all when people point out the antisemitism inherent in the scapegoating.
OK so it's a coincidence that 5 anti-Syrian figures have been assasinated since Hariri's assassination.
When in doubt blame the Jews.
Its about time that Americans learn that in the Middle East nothing is black and white and the obvious is often not the correct answer. One could also say its way too obvious that its Syria. And who wants the Syrian regime to fall? The US and Isreal....
Of course the anti Syrian groups will use these assasinations as a pretence to blame Syria, even though said assasinations has brought nothing but problems for the Syrian goverment. Plus doing the "syrian card" also brings backing from the US (and Isreal.. which aint a plus in the region) and in part the west in general.
But it could be rouge elements within the Syrian goverment.. we simply do not know. Thats what the UN investigation is all about.
Ahh the good old anti semitic card. When in doubt throw that in someones face.
Like it or not Isreal is a key player in the region and hence one has to look that way too, just as one has too look at Syria and other nations/organisations.
If ones enemy is divided or occupied with something else, then he aint ones back is he now? Why totaly ignore the posibility that Isreal has had something to do with said assasinations?
But of course blaming Syria is just as easy as anti semites blaming Jews for it .. right?
It's blatantly obvious that Syria is behind the killings, your assertions to the contrary are regurgetated Islamo-fascist propaganda and it really is quite sad. Your bullshit ranks right up there with the claims that the Mossad was behind 9-11, I'm not buying it for a ****ing second it's anti-Israel neo-Nazi propaganda.
Don't play that bullshit with me, anti-zionism is the new PC code in the leftist montra for anti-Jew, the Jew has always been the scapegoat for the international left just as the leopard can't change his spots neither can the leftist change his hate for the Jew.
That makes absolutely no god damn sense except in the paranoid mind of the leftist, let's see 5 anti-Syrian figures have been killed since Hassiri, all of which have been pro-Israel and you're blaming Israel? Tell me how that makes sense? It doesn't make any ****ing sense it's bullshit propaganda coming from an anti-semetic new left Nazi from Europe.
Because the Christains leaders who have being killed are pro-Israel and opposed to the enemies of Israel, it doesn't make any ****ing sense.
It's blatantly obvious that Syria is behind it, and your assertions to the contrary are a ****ing joke.
But of course blaming Syria is just as easy as anti semites blaming Jews for it .. right?
It is obvious? Lets see, the Syrians say they did not do it (but of course we dont belive them), but the anti Syrian crowd who all want to hurt Syrian in any form they can say that Syria did it.. so we automatically belive them? Why? Because they are christians? Because they are anti Syrian? Remember what happened the last time the world believed an anti Saddam movement and what happened then? I am not ruling out that its Syria or some rogue syrian group within the goverment, but I also do not rule out others who have to gain from this.
Thats funny.. real funny. Guess you dont read much history. Who used the Jew as a scapegoat through history? The ruling class and the church and they were a bunch of lefties now? The left are anti-jew? Have you heard the anti jew stuff so called ultra right wing wackos are promoting these days? What some religious christians are saying?
I am blaming Isreal? dont put words in my mouth. I said I am not ruling them out in being involved.. thats hardly blaming them. I am also not ruling out the CIA, AL Q and others who set to gain from creating friction in the area. Its you that is hell bent in blaming Syria without a shred of proof other than someone is knocking off anti Syrian politicans.
Now they are pro Isreal? Where on earth did you get that from? Or are you just assuming they are because they are christian?
And I am saying it might be too obvious and people are not looking else where because of this and that is a mistake.
This is preposterouos double speak blame the victim bullshit, 5 anti-Syrian figures have been assasinated since Hissari, and you don't think Syria is responsible, take your ****ing head out of the sand.
A) Nazism is a product of the left.
B) "True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt's: "Give back Alsace and Lorraine". For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?" -- Friedrich Engles
"This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom." -- Friedrich Engles
"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry". -- Karl Marx
It goes to motive, and Syria has it in spades, your assertions that Israel or the CIA are behind it are laughable and only proof that you have your head in the sand.
Because the Israelis backed the Christain militias in the civil war and the Christians are who wanted Israel in the region at that time.
No that's not a mistake it's common sense, your twisted delusions of conpsiracy are ridiculous on their face and anyone with a shred of reason would realize that.
the Jew has always been the scapegoat for the international left
uhhh...wasn't it a jew who wrote the manifesto of the 'international left'?
so marxists hate jews-even though they take the name of one? hmmm... :roll:
And that is still your only evidence that it is 100% sure its Syria? Even 90% sure its Syria?
I think it MIGHT be someone in Syria, but I am not convinced because the evidence is not conclusive.
So it was only the Nazies that have blamed the Jews throughout history? And still the old "nazies were lefties" crap from you.
Eh? whats a land spat between France and Germany and some idiots (one of many) idea of a "master race" got to do with this? And its Engels.
So? Jews were bankers and money lenders for centuries and were hated because of this. Only natural Karl Marx would have a thing for bankers...
Why dont you go back further to before Karl Marx? Before the "left" was basicly invented? You do know that Jews have been scapegoats for more than the last 150 years? Who claimed them as scapegoats before that? And what political ideas grew from these people and organisations? What side is the party or ideology of God, King and Country? What parties and ideology grew from the Nobles and people in power in pre democractic societies?
Yes motive. What motive does Syria have to getting the world even more on thier backs and possibly getting "liberated" by the US?
Err no. They backed ONE christian malitia, that was wiped out or fled to Israel when Israel left Lebanon without telling thier "allies". In fact the goverment (which is part christian) and the president (who is christian) has condemed Israel time and time again.. especially when 1200 citizens were killed by the IDF bombs. But do you have any proof that the Christians in Lebanon are pro Isreal?
So now its delusional to ask questions? Its spreading a conspiracy idea by asking.. hmm no wait a minute, what are the facts here and what are the rumors. Who has motive and who is set to gain from it? Ever ask those questions?
A) Nazism is a product of the left.
uhhhh....
All right. Let's have this discussion.
Under industrilization, society has been divided into the owners of capital, and labor.
Karl Marx advocated a system in which the laborers would own the capital. In fact, there would be no capital. It would all be 100% owned by the labor controlled state, and the state would ensure that each laborer got an equal share (this is were most leftist nations trip up). Eventually, with each laborer having an equal share of wealth, and the means of production, the need for a state would decline, and one would disappear. Therefore, society would be a stateless, classless commune.
Adolf Hitler advocated an economic system in which corporations would become as efficient as possible. They were corralled by the state after years of depression, and, instead of fighting each other, were turned to create the war machine that was Nazi Germany. The corporations benefited greatly, while inefficient small businesses were done away with-some even outlawed.
As Mussolini put it, Fascism could more accurately be called 'corporatism' because it was the merger of state and corporate power--
NOT State and Labor Power, as advocated by Marx. Which could explain why many wages in Germany went down following the Nazi takeover. Look outside the window for another example of "Corporatism"
LMFAO he wasn't being sarcastic he was dead serious.B) "True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt's: "Give back Alsace and Lorraine". For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?" -- Friedrich Engles
He's sarcastically refering to the stupidity of patriotism. Something most Europeans agree with, hence the European Union.
"This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom." -- Friedrich Engles
Yes, utopia would be nice. We're still a way off, though.
Ya I'm sure you're right it's just a giant coincidence that 5 anti-Syrian figures have been rubbed out in the last year.
I didn't say that it was only the Nazis but it has always been the Europeans.
Proof that the new left and most certainly the European left is based on anti-semeitic tenants from Marx and Engels.
I wouldn't know I'm not Euro Trash.
What would Syria have to gain by eliminating vocal Syrian opponents? Hmm that's a tuff one. :roll:
That maybe so but it isn't Israel that wants to be the puppet master of the Lebanese government as does Syria.
The motive is that this assasination has created political deadlocke and created a situation where Hezbollah a Syrian proxy might just get exactly what they wanted IE more control over the Lebanese government.
I dunno is it? I have asked again and again.. do you have any other proof that it was the Syrians?
So that they US barred Jews fleeing Germany from entering the US before the US entered the war, was what?
Later immigration
The immigration restrictions of the late 1920s prevented many Jews from coming to the United States, yet some 100,000 German Jews did arrive in the 1930s, escaping Hitler’s persecution. During the Holocaust, less than 30,000 Jews a year reached the United States, and some were turned away due to immigration policies.
History of the Jews in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And considering that Jews originate close to Europe is it odd that they moved to Europe or other places near? Plus the US was not exactly on the freaking map...so as Homer Simpson would say.. DUGH!
And the anti-semeitic crap from Kings, Queens, Nobles and the Christian Church was ?
So you are denying that the "conservative" or right has its roots in the ruling class and church?
Considering Syria is not in Lebanon anymore, what would they gain by such an elimination? Or is it normal that nations bump off critics in other nations that are not even thier own citizens?
And the US dont want to be a "puppet" master of the so called "democratic" elected pro US goverment? Dont you think a few million or even billion dollars might flow extra to support said goverment?
How would they get more control?
The Lebanese goverment is predetermind for peak sake. The PM has to be a Sunni, the President a Christian and the speaker a Shia. The parelement is elected proportionally depending on the group, not political party, but group aka, shai, sunni, christian. So unless they agree in changing totaly thier whole system of goverment, then its nearly impossible for Hezbollah to gain a majority or much more power.
Lebanon deadlocked ahead of Hizbullah ultimatum
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
BEIRUT, Lebanon
Rival Lebanese politicians failed to agree on Saturday on a Hizbullah demand to form a national unity government, raising fears of a showdown in the streets two days ahead of an ultimatum set by the militant group to reach a deal or face massive protests that threaten to bring down the government.
The breakdown of the talks came a day after the government received a draft document setting up an international tribunal to try suspects in the 2005 assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri - another potential land mine in the escalating tensions between the Western-backed government and its opponents.
Lebanon deadlocked ahead of Hizbullah ultimatum | Jerusalem Post
Lebanon's crisis worsens with 2-day strike ahead of decisive cabinet session Sam F. Ghattas, Canadian Press
Published: Friday, November 24, 2006
Hezbollah ignored a call by Prime Minister Fuad Saniora on Thursday night for six pro-Hezbollah cabinet ministers to return to their posts. The six resigned in protest earlier this month just before the cabinet gave its initial approval to the international tribunal.
In a Friday prayers sermon, a senior Shiite Muslim cleric said Saniora must resign because Shiites hated him and his departure was the only solution to the political deadlock.
"If you want the (Shiite) ministers to withdraw their resignations, Saniora should resign because he is hated by some people," said Sheik Abdul Amir Qabalan, the deputy head of the Higher Shiite Muslim Council. "He must rectify the government's situation by going home before the country is in ruins."
The political standoff in Lebanon pits Syria's opponents, mostly Christians and Sunni Muslims, against Damascus's allies, mostly Shiite Muslims, led by the powerful Hezbollah guerrilla group. Anti-Syrians dominate the government and parliament, but Hezbollah is threatening to bring down the government with a wave of mass protests unless it and its allies are given more power.
Tuesday's assassination of industry minister Pierre Gemayel, an anti-Syrian Christian leader, reignited anger at Damascus, which dominated Lebanon for nearly three decades but was forced to withdraw it troops last year over accusations it was behind the killing of Hariri. Damascus has denied any role in the slayings of Hariri, Gemayel or four other anti-Syrian politicians the past two years.
Even at the height of the civil war, Lebanon has never witnessed this level of polarization among its sects, this kind of political mobilization and the crisis at such a dead end," wrote Sateh Noureddine, managing editor of the daily As-Safir.
Lebanon's crisis worsens with 2-day strike ahead of decisive cabinet session
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(It's blatantly obvious that Syria is behind the killings)
Not so, unless you are able (in your usual inimitable style) to actually provide a link that PROVES this your assertation.
The furthest you can state is that considering there have been 5 assassinations of Anti-Syrian Politicians plus another 10 attempts on other Anti- Syrian Politicians, it is entirely possible that Syria might be blamed.
Another possibility is Russia could be behind these killings, Russia has not given up it's attempts to rule the world.
I'll admit that it's circumstantial evidence but it's evidence none the less.
Not all Jews:
I don't even get your meaning here.
Anti-semetism inherent in the culture of Euro-trash.
I wouldn't consider the CDP to be "conservative."
They're not in Lebanon anymore because of the critisisms of the anti-Syrian politicians, they want control of Lebanese politics which is why they want the anti-syrian factions out of the way and replaced with their voice in the country IE Syria's proxy Hezbollah.
What does this have to do with anything we're talking about the assasination of anti-Syrian figures, try to stay on topic.
By wiping out the opposition.
Hezbollah is demanding more power in parliament and if they can't get it through the ballot box they'll get it through force.
The government is deadlocked, the Shia ministers have withdrawn from parliament, and the opposition is being wiped out. If you can't see what's happening then you are blind.
Then why cant you say it "looks" like, or most likely, instead of "its Syria".
So you are hiding behind immigration rules? Anti semitic immigration rules?
Using minorities as scapegoats is a long tradition not only in Europe but also in the US and try denying that.
Boy thats some conspiracy idea.. got any proof?
Is it.. on what? giving the rivals more power? Yep they are and knocking off anti syrian politicans wount change that deadlock... infact it most likely will make it worse.
Latest News:
Hezbollah, the Syrian and Iranian-backed terrorist cockroaches who infest Lebanon, does not like anyone questioning them or their actions - their RIGHT to assassinate any leader they want - so they are calling for nation-wide protest of the Tribunal created by Lebonese vote that is supposed to find and prosecute those who assassinated Hariri and Gemayel! They are declaring that they will overthrow the goverment!
So Syria systematically assassinates anti-Syrian leaders in independent, yet Syriana and Iranian terrorist-infested, Lebanon. When justice is demanded by the Lebonese people, Hezbollah/Syria/Iran flex their muscles by protesting and calling for an over-throw of the Lebonese government!
Ok, where is the Freakin' U.N. NOW? The U.N. passed a sanction and promised THEY would see to the disarmament of Hezbollah....instead they sacrificed Lebanon for the sake of 'peace'!
They have 'GIVEN' Lebanon to the terrorists for the sake of the 'peace' that will ensue after Hezbollah has taken completely over the country!
It is the U.N.'s job to help ensure/protect sovereign nations' stability, yet Koffi and the U.N. are engaged in 3rd-party brokering of deals where the U.N. instead hands sovereign nations over to terrorists and Muslim extremist terrorist states!
This is clear evidence that Syria and Iran are moving without fear to enslave Lebanon, as well as Iraq and Afghanistan (our troops are currently fighting Syrian and Iranian troops in each of these nations). The have no reason to fear U.N. repraisal because the U.N. is working with/FOR them, handing over nations like Lebanon to them!
Meanwhile, our own politicians are making excuses and declaring what is being said by Syria and Iran (when they declare they will take over the entire middle east, destroy Israel, and destroy the U.S.) is not what they REALLY mean!
No, WE are too busy being Politically correct, worried about offending anyone to take seriosuly the war for our very survival that is being fought!
What we are witnesssing is not a defeat in Iraq but the demise of our entire nation/future.
We continue to embrace a criminal U.N. who has turned its back on its original mission,
a U.N. who embraces terrorists and Muslim extremists,
a U.N. who plays the 'Judas' to democratic/sovereign nations/people like Lebanon by handing them over to the world's enemies
and to people like the Iraqis by stealing their money while propping up the dictator who is taping/torturing/gassing/murdering them,
a U.N. who stands and cheers communist/fascist dictators who calls our President 'Satan',
who refuses to police its own but instead harbors criminals,
and a U.N. who is supporting the Muslim Extremist assault on the rest of the world!
Our leaders continue to betray this nation by allowing muillions of criminals to flood INTO our nation, who allow all the jobs to flow OUT of our nation to go to slave labor, who allow billions of U.S. dollars to flow INTO Mexico, and who demand the already burdened U.S. taxpayer to pay OUT millions in tax funding to give these criminals access to every social program this country offers to LEGAL citizens - ALL for their (these politicians) OWN BENEFIT - to be re-elected, retain power, and thus be rewarded for their betrayal by drawing their paychecks, bribes, lobbyist kickbacks/perks, and 'war chests'!