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Anti-muslim Rally at Ground Zero

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So this is how ****ing crazy people are--this guy obviously isn't Muslim but is mistaken as such, he is only an observer voicing his opinion that he supports the idea of the mosque. This might as well be a clan rally. The cop and some other guy ask him to move along not so much because they want to step on his rights, but because in all likely hood violence would break out.
 

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See a right-wing protest. Check.

find an idiot among the right-wingers. Check.

Make him the focus of your story, and imply all the protesters are just like him. Double points for portraying all protesters as bigots of some kind. Check.


Well done, my left-wing friend, you've got the playbook down pat.
 

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You speak pretty loud for one of the ones lefties single out of the crowd. You know, with extremists steering the ship for all 1.5 billion muslims.
 

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So this is how ****ing crazy people are--this guy obviously isn't Muslim but is mistaken as such, he is only an observer voicing his opinion that he supports the idea of the mosque. This might as well be a clan rally. The cop and some other guy ask him to move along not so much because they want to step on his rights, but because in all likely hood violence would break out.
Looked to me we had one pro-Mosque dude get in the face of the protesters and he lived through it without any harm.... was asked to leave by the cops and got in their face and was lead off. Good job showing how stupid pro-Mosque people are.

Why do you call yourself a “centrist”? Are you ashamed to admit that you are a full blown lib?…. Don’t blame you.
 

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He's American, his name is Kenny, he's a carpenter, and they attacked him (verbally) because he wore a hat that looked Muslim!
 

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It is ridiculous to compare the Tea Party to the KKK...Tell me my left wing friends do you see Teas Partiers lynyching people?????
 

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He's American, his name is Kenny, he's a carpenter, and they attacked him (verbally) because he wore a hat that looked Muslim!
I believe he was attacked because he was pro mosque..............
 

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It is ridiculous to compare the Tea Party to the KKK...Tell me my left wing friends do you see Teas Partiers lynyching people?????
I'm not left wing, but I'll answer your question............... not yet.
 

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I believe he was attacked because he was pro mosque..............
and got into peoples faces.......... he was asking for it, probably a plant.
 

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So this is how ****ing crazy people are--this guy obviously isn't Muslim but is mistaken as such, he is only an observer voicing his opinion that he supports the idea of the mosque. This might as well be a clan rally. The cop and some other guy ask him to move along not so much because they want to step on his rights, but because in all likely hood violence would break out.
Two things here...

First, I gotta commend the guy for his bravery in standing up and voicing his opinion against the protestors even if I do side with the protestors on the issue itself. I think that kind of courage and conviction to be civil and and firm is something lacking in our discourse today.

Secondly, that was a dumb thing to do and it might have ended a lot worse than it did. He was in the middle of a clearly hostile crowd and he almost ended up with more conflict than he could handle. Thankfully, people intervened and got him out before it got worse.

That being said, I saw one idiot being an idiot towards the man and no indication that this crowd was anything close to being a lynch mob. Once more a liberal spin is put on an every day situation to paint political opponents as villains rather than open up honest discourse.
 

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This just goes to show ya how passionate NY is about this Mosque along with the majority of the American people. I think this guy if not Muslim, wanted the people to think he was Muslim. Honestly it did not look like they were ready to assault the guy or lynch him as was suggested...looked pretty tame to me.
 

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See a right-wing protest. Check.

find an idiot among the right-wingers. Check.

Make him the focus of your story, and imply all the protesters are just like him. Double points for portraying all protesters as bigots of some kind. Check.


Well done, my left-wing friend, you've got the playbook down pat.

It is ridiculous to compare the Tea Party to the KKK...Tell me my left wing friends do you see Teas Partiers lynyching people?????
I agree with you all that this merely a tactic of using a few nuts to paint the whole crowd as nuts, but how is this any different than what those opposed to the ground zero mosque are doing? Not all Muslims flew planes into buildings.
 
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Glad these protesters are a minority... some of the signs there were completely off base. Also, I saw a lot of silver hair in that clip... goes to show what the face of bigotry looks like in modern day America: a demographic of old retirees with old, uninformed values. I loved the "SHARIAH" signs too. The level of racism was just over the top. The fact that the major press is giving coverage of activism that is protesting against religious freedom and freedom of speech, not to mention property rights, is just laughable.

I have to say though, that guy DID look like a Muslim. It looked like he was wearing a kufi and he even had the beads around his neck to go with it. Even though the crowd had no business attacking him, I understand why they did. Part of me even wonders if the guy deliberately dressed that way and then showed up, just to cause a stink.
 

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I loved the "SHARIAH" signs too. The level of racism was just over the top.
Yes, because rejecting Shariah is obviously racist. :roll:
 

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Glad these protesters are a minority... some of the signs there were completely off base. Also, I saw a lot of silver hair in that clip... goes to show what the face of bigotry looks like in modern day America: a demographic of old retirees with old, uninformed values. I loved the "SHARIAH" signs too. The level of racism was just over the top. The fact that the major press is giving coverage of activism that is protesting against religious freedom and freedom of speech, not to mention property rights, is just laughable.

I have to say though, that guy DID look like a Muslim. It looked like he was wearing a kufi and he even had the beads around his neck to go with it. Even though the crowd had no business attacking him, I understand why they did. Part of me even wonders if the guy deliberately dressed that way and then showed up, just to cause a stink.
Wow, a new form of bigotry, "silver hair bigotry". Let's kill all the silver hair people, duh. But, wait until I get some hair dye, please.
 
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I believe he was attacked because he was pro mosque..............
From gawker.com:


As you can see in the video above, at some point during the rally, a dark-skinned man wearing an Under Armor skullcap and what looks like a necklace with a Puerto Rican flag walked through the anti-"Mosque" crowd. The crowd, astutely recognizing that he was on his way to build the mosque, began to chant "NO MOSQUE HERE" at him. In the video, someone says, "run away, coward." The man turns around, perturbed. "Y'all mother****ers don't know my opinion about ****," he says. Au contraire, my friend: You are a black man wearing a skullcap, after all! You are definitely a pro-Mosque, anti-freedom Jihadist! Why, aren't you, in fact... Osama Bin Laden??

No, actually, according to the guy who uploaded the video to YouTube, the skullcap-wearing gentleman's name is Kenny and he's "a Union carpenter who works at Ground Zero." Kenny is also—as he points out several times in the video—not a Muslim. (No word on whether or not he voted for Obama, as one of the very reasonable and intelligent-sounding anti-"Mosque" protestors speculates.) But I'll bet you Kenny has been totally convinced about the truth of the Burlington Coat Factory Desecration Community Center. Who wouldn't be?
 

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From gawker.com:


As you can see in the video above, at some point during the rally, a dark-skinned man wearing an Under Armor skullcap and what looks like a necklace with a Puerto Rican flag walked through the anti-"Mosque" crowd. The crowd, astutely recognizing that he was on his way to build the mosque, began to chant "NO MOSQUE HERE" at him. In the video, someone says, "run away, coward." The man turns around, perturbed. "Y'all mother****ers don't know my opinion about ****," he says. Au contraire, my friend: You are a black man wearing a skullcap, after all! You are definitely a pro-Mosque, anti-freedom Jihadist! Why, aren't you, in fact... Osama Bin Laden??

No, actually, according to the guy who uploaded the video to YouTube, the skullcap-wearing gentleman's name is Kenny and he's "a Union carpenter who works at Ground Zero." Kenny is also—as he points out several times in the video—not a Muslim. (No word on whether or not he voted for Obama, as one of the very reasonable and intelligent-sounding anti-"Mosque" protestors speculates.) But I'll bet you Kenny has been totally convinced about the truth of the Burlington Coat Factory Desecration Community Center. Who wouldn't be?
I was in Tangiers, Morroco in 1968. I was at the waterfront with a Jewish lady named, Mayflower, who was a former child movie star from Sweden. I was wearing a skull cap. I am not Jewish but the crowd of chanting muslims who soon surrounded us thought that I was.

Mayflower backed the whole fuking crowd of them down with an evil eye. She was raped by five muslims during the six day war. After they had gang banged her she got a hold of one of their machine guns while they were resting their puds and blew them all away. True story.
 

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Wow, I am truly inspired by the way this mosque is building bridges and inspiring a message of tolerance towards Islam. It was definitely beneficial to their goals which are obviously completely 100% truthful to build it where they're building it.
 

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I've seen flaws in both sides of this argument.

1.First off, can't we all just agree that for every bushel, no matter what, have their bad apples?

2.This is not a mosque, it's a community center.

3.This is not building a bridge of tolerance.

4.This is not a left vs right issue. Partisanship is making it that way. This is an issue of what the individual believes is right vs wrong. Politics and upcoming elections have grabbed us away from what we as individuals feel is the right thing to do, rather then siding with an argument for the pure fact that it may benefit our associated platform.

5.Calling someone a political hack for siding on this issue, from what I've seen, is double-edged.
 

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I've seen flaws in both sides of this argument.

1.First off, can't we all just agree that for every bushel, no matter what, have their bad apples?

2.This is not a mosque, it's a community center.

3.This is not building a bridge of tolerance.

4.This is not a left vs right issue. Partisanship is making it that way. This is an issue of what the individual believes is right vs wrong. Politics and upcoming elections have grabbed us away from what we as individuals feel is the right thing to do, rather then siding with an argument for the pure fact that it may benefit our associated platform.

5.Calling someone a political hack for siding on this issue, from what I've seen, is double-edged.
One bad apple will rot the barrel if it is left in the barrel.
 

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Wow, I am truly inspired by the way this mosque is building bridges and inspiring a message of tolerance towards Islam. It was definitely beneficial to their goals which are obviously completely 100% truthful to build it where they're building it.
Laura Ingraham thought it was a good idea, once:
YouTube - New Islamic Mosque at Ground Zero? (12.21.09)

And it attracted no ire despite being front page news in the New York Times back in December, 2009.

How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began - War Room - Salon.com

It only began to attract ire when conservative media made it into an election issue.
 

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Not another racist demonstration.

 
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