No, you're proving my point.
If the brightness -- the intensity -- of the sign changes the picture, then the brightness is part of the content of the picture.
If the volume -- the intensity -- of the soundtrack changes, then so, too, does the content, in the exact same way the brightness of the sign, as you say, changes it.
Now, I asked above --
If volume is not content, would you argue that volume is irrelevant to music? That, say, "Bolero" would be the same piece of music if it didn't start off very quiet and slowly gain volume as the intensity of the dance increased?
So there would be no First Amendment issue in requiring that a performance of "Bolero" be kept entirely to a uniform, quiet volume with no increase at all? That would not change the piece at all?
What about restricting sudden loud explosions in the middle of a movie? As in, you simply aren't allowed to have them in your soundtrack, period? No issues there?
Ha ha, so you say. I don't believe you. Your analysis of my question was totally faulty.
Lengthening a commercial is so utterly different than making it louder.
It would be equivalent to making a billboard have more content.
Making a billboard larger, but not changing the picture or words is the same as taking a commercial and changing nothing except for the volume. :2wave:
Making a sign brighter does not block out more of the surrounding images
In fact, brightening an already clear picture can make said picture and words difficult to read.
No, billboard advertisers make their ads the brightness they want to make the picture appealing.
When they want better visibility they go for a larger sign, not a brighter one.
If the sound is to loud, and it is annoying, then what else should you call it, other than a Nuisance. Help me here. It seems to fit to me. What's your take.Dude. :roll:
I'm not talking about noise nuisances.
If the sound is to loud, and it is annoying, then what else should you call it, other than a Nuisance. Help me here. It seems to fit to me. What's your take.
As with most ordinances, the one who makes the complaint is the one that the Cops respond to. If the neighbor complains that my music is to loud, the Cops tell me to turn it down. It's the noisy wheel getting the grease kind of thing.Nuisance laws are not about the people watching. It's about the people who aren't who are bothered by the noise coming from it. Or the people who aren't at your party being bothered by your loud music.
As with most ordinances, the one who makes the complaint is the one that the Cops respond to. If the neighbor complains that my music is to loud, the Cops tell me to turn it down. It's the noisy wheel getting the grease kind of thing.
Advertisers keep the volume high because it ads to the effectiveness of the advertisement.
That's content.
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If it's "common sense" that volume is not content, would you argue that volume is irrelevant to music? That, say, "Bolero" would be the same piece of music if it didn't start off very quiet and slowly gain volume as the intensity of the dance increased?
And "respect for the audience"? That's a legitimate area for regulation of speech? Really?
Wrong-o! The only affect initiated by loud commercials is me hitting the mute or changing channels. Show me one legitimate study that proves a commercial is more effective (i.e. an individual is more inclined to purchase/use said product/service due solely to the volume/loudness of a commercial) when the viewer is subjected to hearing damage. Just one.
I'm afraid you're wrong again.
1b and 4 cover it quite nicely.
Again, volume isn't content. See definition above.
a. What's wrong with identifying a standard and making advertisers stick to it, else be fined?
b. It's not regulation of speech (i.e., content), it's regulation of volume (i.e, manner of presentation).
8. volume, area, or extent; size.
9. the amount contained.
Harshaw, how does this legislation violate the first amendment?
Read what I wrote -- it's a content-based restriction on speech.
Before you argue with me on that, go back and read everything I've already written.
Advertising is not covered under the first amendment. it never has been.
Plenty of research indicating that ads being louder increases their effectiveness. That's why it's done.
You want to take on my "Bolero" question head on? Is volume irrelevant to it?
Is it the same piece of music if it remains at its initial quiet volume all the way through?
Would a movie be the same movie if an explosion were required to be at the volume of a church mouse?
Anything that's done to contribute to the effectiveness of the message is content.
Besides, MyOwnDrum already conceded the point when he admitted that changing the brightness of a sign changes its content.
her definition of "content" includes:
8. volume, area, or extent; size.
9. the amount contained.
Bring it.
Your Bolero question is irrelevant. We're talking about television commercials that are attempting to influence viewers to do something/take some sort of action.
But if you really want to embarrass yourself further...
Yes. It is the same piece of music at any volume. By cranking it up, you're not changing the content, only the manner of presentation.
Yes. It is the same movie at any volume. By cranking it up, you're not changing the content, only the manner of presentation.
No. You're simply wrong. I've already shown how you're wrong. Accept it or don't; it's your misunderstanding and your problem, not mine.
Well, then, MyOwnDrum was wrong, too. *shrug*
:rofl I knew you'd fall for this, Harsh. :2wave:
I'm guessing you're not going to find the research conducted by marketing companies themselves "legitimate," right? This is what the marketing firms I've consulted for have told me. (Of course, why would they be interested in anything but good data?)
I see. So, you just say the same things with sharper language
You're obviously not familiar with it, so I'll explain -- the piece of music depicts a woman doing a dance which becomes more and more intense, and she eventually dies from doing it. The gradual increase in volume over the duration of the piece represents the increasing intensity, and lethality, of the dance, so it is absolutely, 100% part of the music.
I dare say, this law most likely reflects the will of 90% of television viewers. Isn't our representative government supposed to make laws that the people want? This law is an easy call. Most people would want this law.
This is reminiscent of a science fiction book (I forget the name or the author) I read, back in the early '70's. in the book, an inventor became famous for inventing "Adnix", a device which, when attached to the TV set, muted all commercials. Advertisers were up in arms over it, but to no avail. But the inventor's downfall was when he invented another device called "Preachnix", which muted everything said by televangelists, and that just pissed off too many people. LOL.
What about rules limiting billboard sizes in municipalities and states across America? Does that also violate free speech? :lol:
We have had those Law in Texas for quite awhile. ---New bill boards are hard to get approved, and have strict size standards. Which is cool. why should we have to look at some guys sign as we roll down the Highway? Put it on his own lot.
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