Antarctica is losing ice 6 times faster today than in 1980s

[calamity]

Nothing to see here, Folks. Global warning is a hoax. Look, it's snowing! The earth is cooling.

cough cough

Antarctica is losing ice 6 times faster today than in 1980s

The recent melting rate is 15 percent higher than what a study found last year.

Eric Rignot, a University of California, Irvine, ice scientist, was the lead author on the new study in Monday’s Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. He said the big difference is that his satellite-based study found East Antarctica, which used to be considered stable, is losing 56 billion tons (51 billion metric tons) of ice a year.

Must be all that liberal hot air. Yeah, that's it.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Meh... new coastal community development will be realized.

 

[Sabre]

And then there is another study,

Antarctica Is Gaining Ice, So Why Is the Earth Still Warming?

November 19, 2015 02:26pm ET:
NASA recently released a study suggesting that the Antarctic Ice Sheet is gaining more ice than it is losing — a finding that, at first blush, seems to contradict the idea of global warming. So, how can Antarctica be gaining ice mass in a warming world where ice sheets are collapsing and the melting is predicted to increase sea levels across the globe?

It turns out that the two phenomena — a growing ice sheet and warming-related melting — are not mutually exclusive. Moreover, the NASA study, which was published Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology, does not disprove global warming.

Rather, the researchers found that snow accumulation is adding more ice to East Antarctica (the huge chunk of the continent to the east of the Transantarctic Mountains) and the interior region of West Antarctica than is being lost as glaciers across Antarctica thin out. More snow accumulation is, counter intuitively, a sign of global warming; more precipitation happens when there is more moisture in the air, and more moisture in the air is a product of higher temperatures, said Elizabeth Thomas, a glaciologist with the British Antarctic Survey.

 

[calamity]

And then there is another study,

Antarctica Is Gaining Ice, So Why Is the Earth Still Warming?

Un, it's 2019 not 2015. Just in case you forgot.

 

[Jack Hays]

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[h=1]Record-low 2016 Antarctic sea ice was due to a 'perfect storm' of tropical, polar conditions – not 'climate change'[/h][FONT=&quot]While winter sea ice in the Arctic is declining so dramatically that ships can now navigate those waters without any icebreaker escort, the scene in the Southern Hemisphere is very different. Sea ice area around Antarctica has actually increased slightly in winter — that is, until last year. A dramatic drop in Antarctic sea ice…
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[Jack Hays]

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[h=1]AGU: Extraordinary storms caused massive Antarctic sea ice loss in 2016[/h][FONT=&quot]From the “well, if hadn’t been that it would have been global warming for sure” department: By Lauren Lipuma, AGU A series of unprecedented storms over the Southern Ocean likely caused the most dramatic decline in Antarctic sea ice seen to date, a new study finds. Antarctic sea ice – frozen ocean water that rings…
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June 23, 2017 in Climate News.

 

[Jack Hays]

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[h=1]Old explorer logbooks reveal Antarctic sea ice unchanged from over a century ago[/h][FONT=&quot]From the EUROPEAN GEOSCIENCES UNION Antarctic explorers help make discovery — 100 years after their epic adventures Heroes of Antarctic exploration have played a crucial role in research that suggests the area of sea ice around Antarctica has barely changed in size in 100 years. Ice observations recorded in the ships’ logbooks of explorers such as…
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November 25, 2016 in Climate News.

 

[Threegoofs]

Nothing to see here, Folks. Global warning is a hoax. Look, it's snowing! The earth is cooling.

cough cough

Antarctica is losing ice 6 times faster today than in 1980s



Must be all that liberal hot air. Yeah, that's it.

I have been assured by the deniers on this forum that this research is totally wrong. And they told me that even before it was published.

They did calculations on it, too.

 

[Visbek]

And then there is another study...

You should read the full article. And this one, while you're at it:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-antarctica-losing-ice-or-gaining-it/

Zwally may be right, but his study certainly isn't a slam dunk.

 

[Threegoofs]

Here’s the study:

Four decades of Antarctic Ice Sheet mass balance from 1979?2017 | PNAS

It was published in PNAS, by the top ice researchers in the world, so I look forward to the anonymous deniers here telling us how it’s wrong. Always fun!

 

[Jack Hays]

As expected, the story is much ado about nothing.

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[h=1]Taking down the latest Washington Post Antarctic scare story on 6x increased ice melt[/h][FONT=&quot]Ice loss from Antarctica has sextupled since the 1970s, new research finds An alarming study shows massive East Antarctic ice sheet already is a significant contributor to sea-level rise Chris Mooney and Brady Dennis January 14 at 3:00 PM (Washington Post) Antarctic glaciers have been melting at an accelerating pace over the past four decades…
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[calamity]

As expected, the story is much ado about nothing.

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lol @ WUWT

 

[calamity]

Here’s the study:

Four decades of Antarctic Ice Sheet mass balance from 1979?2017 | PNAS

It was published in PNAS, by the top ice researchers in the world, so I look forward to the anonymous deniers here telling us how it’s wrong. Always fun!

No, no, no...WUWT said. "NO!"

 

[Jack Hays]

lol @ WUWT

No, no, no...WUWT said. "NO!"

Your prejudice leads you astray.

 

[Jack Hays]

lol @ WUWT

Here’s the study:

Four decades of Antarctic Ice Sheet mass balance from 1979?2017 | PNAS

It was published in PNAS, by the top ice researchers in the world, so I look forward to the anonymous deniers here telling us how it’s wrong. Always fun!

From the link at #11:

Now for the math.
So, if the Antarctic ice sheet weighs 26,500,000 gigatonnes or 26500000000000000 tonnes
252 billion tonnes is 252 gigatonnes
Really simple math says: 252gt/26,500,000gt x 100 = 9.509433962264151e-4 or 0.00095% change per year
But this is such a tiny loss in comparison to the total mass of the ice sheet, it’s microscopic…statistically insignificant.
In the email thread that preceded this story (h/t to Marc Morano) I asked people to check my work. Willis Eschenbach responded, corrected an extra zero, and pointed this out:

Thanks, Anthony. One small issue. You’ve got an extra zero in your percentage, should be 0.00095% per year loss.
Which means that the last ice will melt in the year 3079 …
I would also note that 250 billion tonnes of ice is 250 billion cubic meters. Spread out over the ocean, that adds about 0.7 mm/year to the sea level … that’s about 3 inches (7 cm) per century.
As you said … microscopic.
w.
​

Paul Homewood noted in the email thread:

Ice losses from Antarctica have tripled since 2012, increasing global sea levels by 0.12 inch (3 millimeters) in that timeframe alone, according to a major new international climate assessment funded by NASA and ESA (European Space Agency).
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2749/ramp-up-in-antarctic-ice-loss-speeds-sea-level-rise/
0.5mm per year.
Not a lot to worry about.
“They attribute the threefold increase in ice loss from the continent since 2012 to a combination of increased rates of ice melt in West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula, and reduced growth of the East Antarctic ice sheet.”
Translation: The volcano riddled West/Peninsula is melting bit more and the Eastern Sheet is growing a little less than usual.
​

 

[Sabre]

Un, it's 2019 not 2015. Just in case you forgot.

What I forgot was a link to the article: https://www.livescience.com/52831-antarctica-gains-ice-but-still-warming.html and is was written in 2015.

Now how about you jump to posts 5, 6, 7 and 11 and tell him it is 2019 not 2016, oh wait, he's an independent and it's OK because those posts agree with your view, right?

Here is one from 2018: NASA researcher: Antarctica still GAINING ice - CFACT

 

[Jack Hays]

What I forgot was a link to the article: https://www.livescience.com/52831-antarctica-gains-ice-but-still-warming.html and is was written in 2015.

Now how about you jump to posts 5, 6, 7 and 11 and tell him it is 2019 not 2016, oh wait, he's an independent and it's OK because those posts agree with your view, right?

Here is one from 2018: NASA researcher: Antarctica still GAINING ice - CFACT

No. My posts do not agree with the OP. Please see #15.

 

[Sabre]

No. My posts do not agree with the OP. Please see #15.

Fair enough, post 15 was not up at the time of my posting. eace

 

[Threegoofs]

From the link at #11:

Now for the math.
So, if the Antarctic ice sheet weighs 26,500,000 gigatonnes or 26500000000000000 tonnes
252 billion tonnes is 252 gigatonnes
Really simple math says: 252gt/26,500,000gt x 100 = 9.509433962264151e-4 or 0.00095% change per year
But this is such a tiny loss in comparison to the total mass of the ice sheet, it’s microscopic…statistically insignificant.
In the email thread that preceded this story (h/t to Marc Morano) I asked people to check my work. Willis Eschenbach responded, corrected an extra zero, and pointed this out:

Thanks, Anthony. One small issue. You’ve got an extra zero in your percentage, should be 0.00095% per year loss.
Which means that the last ice will melt in the year 3079 …
I would also note that 250 billion tonnes of ice is 250 billion cubic meters. Spread out over the ocean, that adds about 0.7 mm/year to the sea level … that’s about 3 inches (7 cm) per century.
As you said … microscopic.
w.
​

Paul Homewood noted in the email thread:

Ice losses from Antarctica have tripled since 2012, increasing global sea levels by 0.12 inch (3 millimeters) in that timeframe alone, according to a major new international climate assessment funded by NASA and ESA (European Space Agency).
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2749/ramp-up-in-antarctic-ice-loss-speeds-sea-level-rise/
0.5mm per year.
Not a lot to worry about.
“They attribute the threefold increase in ice loss from the continent since 2012 to a combination of increased rates of ice melt in West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula, and reduced growth of the East Antarctic ice sheet.”
Translation: The volcano riddled West/Peninsula is melting bit more and the Eastern Sheet is growing a little less than usual.
​

Ah, if only scientists knew arithmetic.

 

[Jack Hays]

Ah, if only scientists knew arithmetic.

When scientists become advocates, advocacy is presented as science.

 

[Threegoofs]

When scientists become advocates, advocacy is presented as science.

And when idiots become advocates, they post on denier blogs like WUWT

 

[Jack Hays]

And when idiots become advocates, they post on denier blogs like WUWT

Feel free to critique the math. Your ad hominem is not of interest.

 

[Threegoofs]

Feel free to critique the math. Your ad hominem is not of interest.

Neither is your math.

Or cut and paste spam

 

[Jack Hays]

Neither is your math.

Or cut and paste spam

As you wish.

 

[calamity]

What’s with Oz?

Australia is sweltering under record-breaking temperatures as an extreme heat wave continues to sweep across the country, causing wildlife to die and fruit to cook from the inside out.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn.../australia-heat-wave-warnings-intl/index.html

It must be due to all that new ice just below it that WUWT is talking about. :lamo