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Another Day, Another Trump Dog Whistle

The AntiDonald said:
I wouldn't worry too much. The last time Devos tried to steer money to private schools, the court shut her stupid ass down quickly. I have a degree of optimism that our judicial system will protect us from a lot of Trumps racist tendencies.

I also have a degree of optimism that Trump and company will be flushed down the commode this election, pray to God.
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The courts have been relatively ineffective in stopping PPP money from going to private religious schools. Public schools have not been allowed to access PPP funds, there was another fund designated for aid to public schools. Unfortunately almost half of that fund has been siphoned off by private and religious schools.
 
eohrnberger said:
The 1619 project shouldn't be used for any educations purposes.
Since when has political propaganda been used for 'education' purposes?
Using it for education purposes is nothing but liberal / progressive indoctrination in the education system, which must be excised with belligerence from the education system.


The 1691 project is a distortion of US history bent to support a political ideology and a preferred political narrative, so it is little more than ideologically driven political propaganda, '1984 Ministry of Truth', anyone?

The fact that it won the 2020 Pulitzer Prize only shows how politically based the Pulitzer committee has become, no longer judging on quality journalism (given the errors in the 1619 project), and judging on political ideology.

The Pulitzer committee has relegated themselves to judging and promoting political propaganda.
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The United States has never gotten over, never dealt with nor understood how our enslavement of Blacks has effected our culture, politics, religion, laws, legislation, government, education and tolerance. Race and racism hangs over our heads and colors every part of our lives and because we refuse to deal with the question we are left with only two reactions: guilt or hate.

Whether the 1691 project is accurate or not it is correct to approach our laws and culture from the stand point of how racism has shaped our country. To ignore racism is to condone it. We have a problem with racism that we have never willingly addressed.
 
weaver2 said:
The United States has never gotten over, never dealt with nor understood how our enslavement of Blacks has effected our culture, politics, religion, laws, legislation, government, education and tolerance. Race and racism hangs over our heads and colors every part of our lives and because we refuse to deal with the question we are left with only two reactions: guilt or hate.

Whether the 1691 project is accurate or not it is correct to approach our laws and culture from the stand point of how racism has shaped our country. To ignore racism is to condone it. We have a problem with racism that we have never willingly addressed.
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"Whether the 1691 project is accurate or not"
So you don't want to teach children the truth? Better that they get the leftist / progressive indoctrination they need?

Nope.

By all means the children need to learn about slavery.
In fact need to learn all of the US history, the good, the bad, AND the ugly.
They need to learn the facts, not some fact distorting leftist political propaganda, such as the 1619 project is.
 
racist ass isn't going to kiss itself. unfortunately, he's too stupid to realize that they're going to vote for him anyway. he could put the entire klan in jail, and they'd still all apply for absentee ballots thinking that he'd pulled a double head fake on the libs.
 
Helix said:
racist ass isn't going to kiss itself. unfortunately, he's too stupid to realize that they're going to vote for him anyway. he could put the entire klan in jail, and they'd still all apply for absentee ballots thinking that he'd pulled a double head fake on the libs.
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The people promoting the the 1619 Project know that Leftists are stupid enough to go along with the lies.

They'll happily believe that The United States was founded in 1619.
 
calamity said:
Aren't we tired of having a racist president? I suspect most of us are.

Trump says Department of Education will investigate use of 1619 Project in schools - CNNPolitics



So, yesterday he said diversity training was un-American. Today, teaching about slavery is.

Does this man even have a bottom?
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Seems like he continually gets you barking. Seems like a few weeks ago the lead on the 1619 Project said it wasn't history


New York Times magazine staffer Nikole Hannah-Jones claimed this week that her infamous 1619 Project is not actually a work of history, but rather an “origin story.”

Do the schools that have incorporated the project into their history curricula know about this?

On Monday, Willamette University Professor Seth Cotlar said in praise of the project that it "is not about history. It's about memory; about what parts of the nation's past we should hold in our memories going forward & about how we tell the story of the nation to our children.”

Hannah-Jones, who founded and heads the project, which posits that America's true founding dates back to the year that slaves were first brought to its shores, was pleased to hear him describe it in such terms.
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apdst said:
The people promoting the the 1619 Project know that Leftists are stupid enough to go along with the lies.

They'll happily believe that The United States was founded in 1619.
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what are they saying about it in your hood? i hear that they are excited to support a white supremacist. except that i'm not hearing that at all.
 
Helix said:
what are they saying about it in your hood? i hear that they are excited to support a white supremacist. except that i'm not hearing that at all.
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This shows how Leftists can't even come up with a logical argument to defend the1619 Project.
 
apdst said:
This shows how Leftists can't even come up with a logical argument to defend the1619 Project.
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thanks for sharing your opinion.
 
apdst said:
This shows how Leftists can't even come up with a logical argument to defend the1619 Project.
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So, you deny the existence of slavery. Got it.
 
eohrnberger said:
"Whether the 1691 project is accurate or not"
So you don't want to teach children the truth? Better that they get the leftist / progressive indoctrination they need?

Nope.

By all means the children need to learn about slavery.
In fact need to learn all of the US history, the good, the bad, AND the ugly.
They need to learn the facts, not some fact distorting leftist political propaganda, such as the 1619 project is.
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Bad choice of words. I should have said: We have a problem with race. In order to understand our history and our future it is essential that Americans understand how race and racism drive so much of our culture, laws and emotions. The problem is that every time someone starts to get to the heart of our racism someone or some group condemns as biased the information being used as a way to stop the study. I do not know the accuracy of the 1619 project materials, but I suspect the complaints of bias are based not on its accuracy but on the desire to stop all study of our racism. Waiting for the perfectly unbiased material is just another way of putting off facing the reality of racism in the US.
 
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weaver2 said:
Bad choice of words. I should have said: We have a problem with race. In order to understand our history and our future it is essential that Americans understand how race and racism drive so much of our culture, laws and emotions. The problem is that every time someone starts to get to the heart of our racism someone or some group condemns as biased the information being used as a way to stop the study. I do not know the accuracy of the 1619 project materials, but I suspect the complaints of bias are based not on its accuracy but on the desire to stop all study of our racism. Waiting for the perfectly unbiased material is just another way of putting off facing the reality of racism in the US.
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1619 made the mistake of making the subject interesting. Obviously that scares the racists half to death.
 
eohrnberger said:
By all means the children need to learn about slavery.
In fact need to learn all of the US history, the good, the bad, AND the ugly.
They need to learn the facts, not some fact distorting leftist political propaganda, such as the 1619 project is.
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Demanding fact based material for a study of race and racism in the US can be biased according to what facts one leaves out or includes. Considering that no minority group in the US is bigger than 18% of the population their contributions to American culture, science and technology are very significant. Yet our traditional knowledge is that all our advances are because of our white ancestors.

Or bicameral legislature comes directly from the Indian concept of having two deliberative bodies working on and solving tribal problems. No country had a bicameral anything prior to our Constitution. Ignoring this fact makes it easy to take the ridiculous position that Native Americans aren't American citizens, take their land and continue the racism and prejudice. The facts we choose to put into our history books support our biases.

It's a fact that all American music comes directly from or is highly influenced by Black music. But if we refuse to put that fact into our collective historical knowledge it make it easier to exclude Blacks from American culture.

When you ignore certain facts and promote others you no longer have unbiased information and yet your information is still fact based.
 
weaver2 said:
Demanding fact based material for a study of race and racism in the US can be biased according to what facts one leaves out or includes. Considering that no minority group in the US is bigger than 18% of the population their contributions to American culture, science and technology are very significant. Yet our traditional knowledge is that all our advances are because of our white ancestors.

Or bicameral legislature comes directly from the Indian concept of having two deliberative bodies working on and solving tribal problems. No country had a bicameral anything prior to our Constitution. Ignoring this fact makes it easy to take the ridiculous position that Native Americans aren't American citizens, take their land and continue the racism and prejudice. The facts we choose to put into our history books support our biases.

It's a fact that all American music comes directly from or is highly influenced by Black music. But if we refuse to put that fact into our collective historical knowledge it make it easier to exclude Blacks from American culture.

When you ignore certain facts and promote others you no longer have unbiased information and yet your information is still fact based.
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The issue, IMO, is that the Right is pushing certain narratives. One, slavery was an Arab thing, perpetrated by collaborating Africans. Two, US slavery was a Democrat thing, perpetrated by socialists (yeah, they actually try selling that concept). Three, Lincoln was a Republican. Ergo, Republicans ended slavery, except when you argue that the Civil War was fought to end slavery ;)
 
calamity said:
The issue, IMO, is that the Right is pushing certain narratives. One, slavery was an Arab thing, perpetrated by collaborating Africans. Two, US slavery was a Democrat thing, perpetrated by socialists (yeah, they actually try selling that concept). Three, Lincoln was a Republican. Ergo, Republicans ended slavery, except when you argue that the Civil War was fought to end slavery ;)
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But it doesn't have to make sense when you only have to "convince" racist intellectual midgets.
 
calamity said:
1619 made the mistake of making the subject interesting. Obviously that scares the racists half to death.
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That’s really what this is about for Stephen Miller (Trump has NO idea what any of this is or what it means). They’re losing the country. They know it.
 
apdst said:
The people promoting the the 1619 Project know that Leftists are stupid enough to go along with the lies.

They'll happily believe that The United States was founded in 1619.
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Were Black people considered full humans when the country was founded?
 
weaver2 said:
Bad choice of words. I should have said: We have a problem with race.
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Who are you including in this 'we'?

The US and it's people are the least racist on the planet, and comes the closest to providing equal opportunities (not equal outcomes) for all.

In order to understand our history and our future it is essential that Americans understand how race and racism drive so much of our culture, laws and emotions.
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This depends on time frame being considered. In previous decades and centuries there was far more racism than there is today, what little racism remains certainly isn't of the 'systemic' variety which is constantly being claimed.

The problem is that every time someone starts to get to the heart of our racism someone or some group condemns as biased the information being used as a way to stop the study. I do not know the accuracy of the 1619 project materials, but I suspect the complaints of bias are based not on its accuracy but on the desire to stop all study of our racism. Waiting for the perfectly unbiased material is just another way of putting off facing the reality of racism in the US.
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The criticisms of the 1619 project are with the historical facts that it's presenting. While that's fine for someone's book or published articles or op-ed page, it doesn't raise to the bar needed to be used as educational material, it is wholly unsuitable for this use.

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Ida Bae Wells @nhannahjones·
Jul 27
I’ve always said that the 1619 Project is not a history. It is a work of journalism that explicitly seeks to challenge the national narrative and, therefore, the national memory. The project has always been as much about the present as it is the past.
https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/st...ut-a-fight-to-control-the-national-narrative/
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Ida Bae Wells @nhannahjones
Replying to @nhannahjones
The fight here is about who gets to control the national narrative, and therefore, the nation’s shared memory of itself. One group has monopolized this for too long in order to create this myth of exceptionalism. If their version is true, what do they have to fear of 1619?
9:41 AM · Jul 27, 2020
https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/st...ut-a-fight-to-control-the-national-narrative/
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If it's not history, why base history education on it?

weaver2 said:
Demanding fact based material for a study of race and racism in the US can be biased according to what facts one leaves out or includes. Considering that no minority group in the US is bigger than 18% of the population their contributions to American culture, science and technology are very significant. Yet our traditional knowledge is that all our advances are because of our white ancestors.
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Yes, have been quite significant, and recognized as such. Look at the long and celebrated history of black educators or example. I don't know what you believe to be 'traditional knowledge is that all our advances are because of our white ancestors.' I recall junior high and high school US history classes where those black educators and their contributions, as well as many others, were discussed.

Or bicameral legislature comes directly from the Indian concept of having two deliberative bodies working on and solving tribal problems. No country had a bicameral anything prior to our Constitution. Ignoring this fact makes it easy to take the ridiculous position that Native Americans aren't American citizens, take their land and continue the racism and prejudice. The facts we choose to put into our history books support our biases.

It's a fact that all American music comes directly from or is highly influenced by Black music. But if we refuse to put that fact into our collective historical knowledge it make it easier to exclude Blacks from American culture.
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Again, I don't know which junior high or high school history classes you attended. Jazz, for examples, is a direct outgrowth of black music, which continues to evolve as well as evolving into other music forms.

When you ignore certain facts and promote others you no longer have unbiased information and yet your information is still fact based.
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Except they are not being ignored.
 
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apdst said:
The people promoting the the 1619 Project know that Leftists are stupid enough to go along with the lies.

They'll happily believe that The United States was founded in 1619.
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you missed the point

American slavery was founded in 1619

such lack of historical knowledge is exactly why 1619 is so important to be taught in our schools

think of it as the underbelly of American exceptionalism
 
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