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[ShamMol]

John Howard, PM of Australia....(paraphrasing cause he just said it live)

"We can't combat 21st century terrorism with 20th century answers".

What a great line....

How right he is as well.

 

[robin]

why is it that robin only comes out when there's a bombing? When terrorists are being caught or killed, he/she/it has nothing to say. I wonder, would this be considered "ambulance chasing" as many lawyers are accused of? things that make you go hmmmmmm....

What empty rhetoric is this twaddle ?
I waste time on forums.. bombs or not.
Nothing you say indicate you understand facts & what is going on.
QED re the cowboy analogy

 

[FiremanRyan]

PS why do so many Americans have child like & naive understanding of the world ?
They seem to think the world's a cowboy movie !
Maybe cos their president is even thicker than John Wayne.
This 'Weez gunna head em off at the pass' mentality of theirs !
Uhhh excuse me Mr Cowboy American.... let me explain.. the pass the 911 terrorists fled to wasn't in Iraq !
Is that simple enough for you in your vernacular ?

if anyone has a naive understanding of the worlds its Europe. you think that terrorism will just disappear through diplomacy. if thats true, show me when its happened. on the otherhand, America realizes that terrorism needs to be faught with force and because of the practical view, we've destroyed the Taliban, almost disbanded Al Queada in its entirety, and have some of the most dangerous terrorists in the world in our custody. thats more than what every country in europe can say for themselves combined.

and please...stop trying to equate Iraq with 911. our war on terror has nothing to do with Iraq.

lastly, why are you wasting time attacking America when your own country is being bombed by terrorists and your people are dying.

 

[FiremanRyan]

Robin, please show me where 9/11 or "terrorist" comes up in this...


SEC. 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the "Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq".

……Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President "to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677";

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1)," that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and "constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region," and that Congress, "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688";

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime; ……

….Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region

 

[robin]

if anyone has a naive understanding of the worlds its Europe. you think that terrorism will just disappear through diplomacy. if thats true, show me when its happened. on the otherhand, America realizes that terrorism needs to be faught with force and because of the practical view, we've destroyed the Taliban, almost disbanded Al Queada in its entirety, and have some of the most dangerous terrorists in the world in our custody. thats more than what every country in europe can say for themselves combined.
and please...stop trying to equate Iraq with 911. our war on terror has nothing to do with Iraq.
lastly, why are you wasting time attacking America when your own country is being bombed by terrorists and your people are dying.

Who said diplomacy alone ?
Surveylance, intelligence & action in the right place.. not the wrong place like Iraq. You found nothing in Afganistan. Bin Laden escaped.
Why don't you ask why the Muslims aren't too fond of you ?
Why were the Vietcong not too fond of you ?
You bombed & raped them & their country !
'Almost' disbanded Al Queda. That's an exaggeration. They are all over the place. Iraq is 1% of the world land mass or less. As I've said before, my fly swatting analogy holds true. It's absurd to think Iraq is solving the problem. You are just making more angry flies all around the world.
'Some of the most dangerous terrorists are in our custody'.. if you are so confident they are terrosists then why don't you try them ?
Meantime Gitmo & Abhu Graib where they get tortured, serves to fuel hatred & make people want to bomb London.
You total dumb ****ing elephants yanks.
Actually that's not a nice thing to say about elephants. They aren't as deluded & dumb as you clumsy yanks.
Here's some bedtime reading for you
http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=33105&NewsKind=Current Affairs
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CAR412A.html
http://www.caribvoice.org/Features/usinterference.html

 

[Schweddy]

robin,

The question remains, what would YOU do about terrorism? It seems you know the symptoms and the problems, but you have yet to find a solution. If you can, prove that you are capable of putting your feet on the ground instead of your mouth. Also, calling us dumb and clumsy only prove that you are seeking shelter and cannot participate in an intellectual debate without faltering.

Calling us yanks, are you Canadian?

 

[GPS_Flex]

John Howard just hit one out of the park with his response to a reporter questioning whether London might be a target of terrorism due to the Iraq war.

Did anyone else catch that?

no, what did he say?

The press briefing was about 20 minutes long. You can fast forward to the last 5 or 6 minutes for the exchange I was referring to but it’s worth watching the whole thing.

Here’s the link.

 

[robin]

robin,
The question remains, what would YOU do about terrorism? It seems you know the symptoms and the problems, but you have yet to find a solution. If you can, prove that you are capable of putting your feet on the ground instead of your mouth. Also, calling us dumb and clumsy only prove that you are seeking shelter and cannot participate in an intellectual debate without faltering.
Calling us yanks, are you Canadian?

Don't spend $250,000,000,000 on a war in the wrong place to start with that has inflamed the situation.
Get US military bases out of Saudi.
Build hospitals & schools in Palestine. Give them hope & jobs.
Get the zealot settlers off their land.
Spend more on homeland intelligence as well as abroad. Deal as far as possible with the madrassas that teach hatred for the west.
This would be far more effective anti terror measures for far less buck than the Iraq war.

 

[GPS_Flex]

You might need to click the “change speed” button and choose “low speed” to see the whole thing. The “high speed” version seems to hang up at the same spot for me every time.

 

[robin]

The Chatham house report indicates the Iraq war has made London more likely to be hit by terrorists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4693437.stm
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/1532/1/109/

 

[Schweddy]

Don't spend $250,000,000,000 on a war in the wrong place to start with that has inflamed the situation.
Get US military bases out of Saudi.
Build hospitals & schools in Palestine. Give them hope & jobs.
Get the zealot settlers off their land.
Spend more on homeland intelligence as well as abroad. Deal as far as possible with the madrassas that teach hatred for the west.
This would be far more effective anti terror measures for far less buck than the Iraq war.

We need to stay in Saudi. That seems to be where many of them are coming from.
I would not doubt that we are gathing excellent intelligence while being there.

The land belongs to Israel - sorry. I thought you were against all religions? The only purpose and reason Palistinians want the land is for the sacrid places.

As far as hospitols, here is an interesting read: http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view.cgi?archive=72&num=18826

 

[robin]

Only the other day the Jews, uh sorry that makes me automatically anti semitic if I call them that doesn't it, I mean the Iraelis bombed a whole apartment block indiscriminately & killed many innocents to get one or two terrorists in there.
So the Iraelis are as bad as the Palestinians.
Only difference is the Iraelis voted for their bastards to be in power.
The average Palestinian is just a helpless victim with no say one way or the other.
WTF don't they cut out the religious crap & all go listen to Bach together or take a look through a telescope.

****ing politics, ****ing religion, ****ing tribalism !

 

[ej hobsbawm]

good evening gentlemen et al.

on combatting terrorism one point has been missed. the responsibility of muslims. not enough condemnation to make extreamists appear marginalised is forthcoming from the comunity in the uk.

the moske (spelling not my strong point) managed to put up a banner next to a christian grave yard that said "there is no god but allah you are worshipping false idles. the koran is the path to salvation"
but did not manage one condeming either set of attacks.

ive then herd members crie raceist when bricks were thrown through the window. - well - nobody is born raceist, something has made them that way.

 

[robin]

No one knew the London bombers were what they were. They by all accounts were just ordinary Muslims. Well that puts all Muslims under suspicion then doesn't it. Pity we let millions come & live here really.
We should have said... here's your country back.. you don't want British influence or rule... fine in that case don't expect British passports.
I hope this doesn't wind up as civil war. Maybe the anti immigration MP Enoch Powell was right with his rivers of blood speech. Shame he lost his job for saying what practically everyone agreed with. That's Political correctness for you. Now we are paying the price.

 

[26 X World Champs]

we've destroyed the Taliban, almost disbanded Al Queada in its entirety, and have some of the most dangerous terrorists in the world in our custody.

Disbanded Al Quaeda? That's the first I've heard about that? Please provide some facts to back up this bravado? Al Quaeda is having a banner season recruiting new members due to our invasion of Iraq. We're the ones having trouble recruiting as month after month we fall WAY short of meeting the stated goals, even when they revise them down.

It is an incorrect statement to say that Al Quaeda is "almost disbanded." It's also incredibly naive.

Now, had Rove kept up the chase of Al Quaeda in Afghanistan in late 2001 and 2002 instead of going into Iraq your statement might very well be true. Sadly and horrible Rove and his puppets have done much more to hurt all of us than they've accomplished and it is only a matter of time that people like me, living in Manhattan will be subjected to another attack. That is really frightening, and no matter how much time we spend in Iraq it will not make NYC safer, and that is really, really FUKCED up!

I'm sick and tired of hearing about Iraq as a noble cause, that is a load of crap. It's an incredible drain of our people, our military, our resources and our money.

When Manhattan is bombed again what will all of you say? Do you have any idea how frightening it is to live here?

Want to hear a story of how everyday life is effected? Tuesday night the NY Philharmonic had a free concert in Central Park. At the end of the concert there was a fireworks display. From where I live on the Upper Westside we could clearly and loudly hear the fireworks. My 18 year old daughter was in her room and heard the explosions and really freaked out, she thought we were under attack again. She was really upset, and I had to prove to her that it was only fireworks.

That's what life in NYC is like for teenagers and adults alike. The really awful thing is that one day, sooner or later it won't be fireworks, it will be bombs.

Would we have "disbanded Al Quaeda" entirely had we focused only on them instead of the disaster that is Iraq? NO! However the odds are that we would all be a lot safer!

 

[ej hobsbawm]

i dont know about manhatten but i will say this.
the teenage boys who tryed and failed to bomb london again today will all have been doing it in all probobility as a response to the war in iraq. even if al quida was still as active as it was in 2001 the bombings today and a fortnight ago would probobly have not happened without that war. that is what makes it so significant. - if we had done nothing we would be safer.

these boys were not members of organised terrorist groups. they had clearly not tested their bombs and to my knowlege some have already been cought. they were not organised to the same degree. these point to this fact - the ailienation of the muslim youth in britain runs deep.

the fault of this in my view lies in many areas. mosques sould take most. then blair. then the media with thir portrayal of a hegmonic comunity. all need to change tact.

 

[Surenderer]

Want to hear a story of how everyday life is effected? Tuesday night the NY Philharmonic had a free concert in Central Park. At the end of the concert there was a fireworks display. From where I live on the Upper Westside we could clearly and loudly hear the fireworks. My 18 year old daughter was in her room and heard the explosions and really freaked out, she thought we were under attack again. She was really upset, and I had to prove to her that it was only fireworks.

Imagine 30million Iraqi's living like that daily............



peace

 

[debate_junkie]

on combatting terrorism one point has been missed. the responsibility of muslims. not enough condemnation to make extreamists appear marginalised is forthcoming from the comunity in the uk.

Not only in the UK, but in the world in general. If people PUBLICLY denounced the members of their "culture" perpetrating this madness... wouldn't that put the members of said organizations on the defensive, rather than the offensive? Passivity always.. ALWAYS is a silent "yes" to one's words or actions. So the Muslim community who DOESN'T want to be seen in the same light as these bastards, shouldn't it be up to them FIRST to say.... In the name of peace and humanity (or insert other words to get the point across) I denounce Al Quaida et al. and then mobilize to help find, or even anonymously report who and where they are? Seems to me when one gives into fear, the fight is lost, in war, and in life.

 

[KevinWan]

Don't spend $250,000,000,000 on a war in the wrong place to start with that has inflamed the situation.
Get US military bases out of Saudi.
Build hospitals & schools in Palestine. Give them hope & jobs.
Get the zealot settlers off their land.
Spend more on homeland intelligence as well as abroad. Deal as far as possible with the madrassas that teach hatred for the west.
This would be far more effective anti terror measures for far less buck than the Iraq war.

...Now this sounds very similiar to appeasement to me...

The Chatham house report indicates the Iraq war has made London more likely to be hit by terrorists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4693437.stm

...why would I rely on the liberal-bias of the BCC for information??

 

[26 X World Champs]

...why would I rely on the liberal-bias of the BCC for information??

Because it's the truth? Is there one piece of evidence you can provide to disprove their report?

 

[Naughty Nurse]

good evening gentlemen et al.

the moske (spelling not my strong point) managed to put up a banner next to a christian grave yard that said "there is no god but allah you are worshipping false idles. the koran is the path to salvation"
but did not manage one condeming either set of attacks.

Was it really the Mosque? Or just a couple of Muslims?

 

[Pacridge]

Was it really the Mosque? Or just a couple of Muslims?

So having been the unfortunate victims of terrorist- When will the UK start their planning and preparations to invade some country that had nothing to do with the attacks?