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I think the title of this article is a bit misleading, it should of read...

Annan to blast President Bush in farewell

Don't you agree? :cool:







Annan to blast U.S. in farewell - USATODAY.com

In a farewell speech on U.S. soil today, retiring United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan plans to deliver a tough critique of President Bush's policies. He will accuse the administration of trying to secure the United States from terrorism in part by dominating other nations through force, committing what he termed human rights abuses and taking military action without broad international support.

Though Annan has long been a critic of the war in Iraq and other Bush foreign policies, the planned speech is among his toughest and is unusual for a U.N. secretary-general concluding his tenure...
 
Speech was already held.. just saw it (and it was not live on Fox...). Not a bad speech and yes he did take shots at US policy, that means US Goverment and Bush policy, not americans in general.... althought anti UN and anti world right wingers will of course jump on this as anti American bla bla ..
 
Thankfully we give these criminals and there useless inept organization (United Nations) a place within these borders..... That was sarcasim, just in case ya might have missed it. Is it possible for Kofi to take the Un with him when he leaves?
 
Thankfully we give these criminals and there useless inept organization (United Nations) a place within these borders..... That was sarcasim, just in case ya might have missed it. Is it possible for Kofi to take the Un with him when he leaves?

Well you let crimminals, draft dodgers, sexual predators and corrupt people get elected to congress and even stay in congress.. so why not have the UN there if its so corrupt?
 
Annon is right though. How can America be leader of the free world if its Administration is sacrificing its democratic ideals??
 
Well you let crimminals, draft dodgers, sexual predators and corrupt people get elected to congress and even stay in congress.. so why not have the UN there if its so corrupt?

I am not exactly sure what one has to do with the other. Considering on one hand your talking about Americans in the political processes exercising there vote and there rights as an American. Wether I agree with them or not has nothing to do with it. If your willing to ELECT that type of person then you get the representation you deserve.

On the other hand you have a useless organization in THIS country of UNELECTED people, ongoing scandals, all the while blasting this country on an ongoing basis. Fu.ck the UN and it's useless exsistence. Get this shi.thole of mediocrity out of here. The paper tiger needs to find a new home, let someone else strat footing the bill and taking the brunt.

Pete you can have the UN, I have no doubt you would be best buddies.
 
Annon is right though. How can America be leader of the free world if its Administration is sacrificing its democratic ideals??

What democratic ideals were sacrificed?
 
Ever notice that if it is critical of the United States and her interests, kidrocks will start a thread and celebrate it?
 
I am not exactly sure what one has to do with the other. Considering on one hand your talking about Americans in the political processes exercising there vote and there rights as an American. Wether I agree with them or not has nothing to do with it. If your willing to ELECT that type of person then you get the representation you deserve.

Yep I agree, America gets the representation it deserves, when a huge minority cant get off thier fat asses to even vote every once in a while. But that goes for all nations including my own, but at least we can muster over 70% of the population to the national polls for the most part.

On the other hand you have a useless organization in THIS country of UNELECTED people, ongoing scandals, all the while blasting this country on an ongoing basis. Fu.ck the UN and it's useless exsistence. Get this shi.thole of mediocrity out of here. The paper tiger needs to find a new home, let someone else strat footing the bill and taking the brunt.

So you are saying the UN is useless? Okay lets get rid of the UN.. that means no WTO, no Unicef, no CTBTO (nuclear testing), no IAEA, no IMF, no IMO, no UNHCR and loads of other organisations.. who should take up the "slack" or do you just want total anarchy? Or are you one of those right wingers that want the "religious groups" to take over charity?

Pete you can have the UN, I have no doubt you would be best buddies.

Why do you assue that I agree with how the UN is run? I dont, but I dont want to get rid of it as I see it as the only reason we have not been a nuclear winter for decades. Without a place to meet, to discuss, to talk behind closed doors, this world would be a wasteland. Fix it is what I want.

Yes the UN has its faults, but you can not deny that the UN has done a lot of good over the 50 years its been around. If it was not for the UN, womens rights in many countries would be worse if not still back in the dark ages. If it was not for the UN, millions of children would have died, polio would not have been beaten back and so on. The only place the UN has failed more times than its won, is on the "peace making" area.. something it was never ment to do and never geared political nore militarily to deal with.

Should the UN go into Darfur in force.. sure but where are the troops going to come from and are countries willing to send thier boys in harms way, in a religious and ethnic civil war? Did the UN drop the ball so to say, in Bosnia?

Yes and no, with Russia banding the veto button, the UN was powerless to do anything even if all other nations might have wanted to do something. And again, would nations want to send thier boys in harms way into a civil war?

The list goes on and in almost every case, the UN was only sent in as peacekeepers and not as combat troops... peacekeepers with an extremly limited mandate often, a mandate often demanded by a veto carrying member or the different sides of the conflict.

And then there is the mother of all "veto making" issues in the UN.. Isreal. The US has vetoed more things about Isreal than all other nations combined during the last few decades..and is the situation any where near getting resolved? Let me guess.. thats the UNs fault too?

If you and the right wingers want an organisation that can have the power to kick *** when countries break certain rules, then fine.. define the rules and the way such an intervention can be mandated. Define who is allowed to be a member of said organisation, define what criteria are needed to become a member...problem is ... would you as an American want to give any organisation that power? And would it be with or without veto power?..
 
I wouldn't expect you to notice, kid. Truth is sometimes painful.
 
I dont want to get rid of it as I see it as the only reason we have not been a nuclear winter for decades.

The reason we didn't have a "nuclear winter" up until now is because of MAD. It's also the reason why there were no major conventional conflicts between major powers in the last half of the 20th century as well -- an historical first -- because no one wanted to risk annihilation. This would have happened without the UN.
 
Yep I agree, America gets the representation it deserves, when a huge minority cant get off thier fat asses to even vote every once in a while. But that goes for all nations including my own, but at least we can muster over 70% of the population to the national polls for the most part.



You have the option to vote. Thise that do then can say there piece, the rest can STFU. 70% of 60,000,000 might be a touch easier to muster then that of 300,000,000. But I agree more people should vote. If your not going to vote you should get punched in the mouth anytime you say a word concerning whats going on in this country

So you are saying the UN is useless? Okay lets get rid of the UN.. that means no WTO, no Unicef, no CTBTO (nuclear testing), no IAEA, no IMF, no IMO, no UNHCR and loads of other organisations.. who should take up the "slack" or do you just want total anarchy? Or are you one of those right wingers that want the "religious groups" to take over charity?



I think there are organizations that can replace those that need replacing. Or you can privatize or seperate these organizations to act alone. I think the Un does little to keep anarchy at bay.


Why do you assue that I agree with how the UN is run? I dont, but I dont want to get rid of it as I see it as the only reason we have not been a nuclear winter for decades. Without a place to meet, to discuss, to talk behind closed doors, this world would be a wasteland. Fix it is what I want.



The UN hasn't stopped Nuclear winter.. We have, the UK has ... The knowledge of knowing we would incinerate your entire country has been the deterrent. The breakable, bendable, rarely enforced often laughed about resolutions do not deter anyone that wants something. They know that by the time the UN acts it will be way to little way to late. And if you feel so strongly about it I have no problem with it being relocated in your country. I don't careif it dispands. I just want it out of the US and the US out of the UN
Yes the UN has its faults, but you can not deny that the UN has done a lot of good over the 50 years its been around. If it was not for the UN, womens rights in many countries would be worse if not still back in the dark ages. If it was not for the UN, millions of children would have died, polio would not have been beaten back and so on. The only place the UN has failed more times than its won, is on the "peace making" area.. something it was never ment to do and never geared political nore militarily to deal with.



All things that now can or are handled through seperate or private organizations. But peacemaking seems to be what the world turns toit most for now.

Should the UN go into Darfur in force.. sure but where are the troops going to come from and are countries willing to send thier boys in harms way, in a religious and ethnic civil war? Did the UN drop the ball so to say, in Bosnia?

Yes and no, with Russia banding the veto button, the UN was powerless to do anything even if all other nations might have wanted to do something. And again, would nations want to send thier boys in harms way into a civil war?

The list goes on and in almost every case, the UN was only sent in as peacekeepers and not as combat troops... peacekeepers with an extremly limited mandate often, a mandate often demanded by a veto carrying member or the different sides of the conflict.

And then there is the mother of all "veto making" issues in the UN.. Isreal. The US has vetoed more things about Isreal than all other nations combined during the last few decades..and is the situation any where near getting resolved? Let me guess.. thats the UNs fault too?

If you and the right wingers want an organisation that can have the power to kick *** when countries break certain rules, then fine.. define the rules and the way such an intervention can be mandated. Define who is allowed to be a member of said organisation, define what criteria are needed to become a member...problem is ... would you as an American want to give any organisation that power? And would it be with or without veto power?..

Nope ...I wouldn't . Our interest should be handled the same as the rest of the worlds are ... First.... The truth is I don't want a bunch of countries that despise the US remotely responsible for our security in anyway directly or indirectly. I agree you can't cowboy around the globe. But you have a problem you notify those that need it... You get a concencus and you take action. If they don't agree and make a better offer, fine, if they do neither they move aside.

I see no benifit to US being the in UN. I don't hide the fact we are going to secure our interest, the same way your country does. the difference is when we do it everyone knows about it. It's rarely hidden, our dirty laudry is held out for all to see. We step in it occasionally, we make mistakes. But we do so because we are actually doing something not sitting on the sidelines waiting for someone to point the way.. It's tough being in front, you make for an easy target.
 
I wouldn't expect you to notice, kid. Truth is sometimes painful.



I
think the title of this article is a bit misleading, it should of read...

Annan to blast President Bush in farewell

Don't you agree?




Yes it is and you ought to know firsthand that the truth is sometimes painful, very painful.

The truth is that Americans in droves rejected President Bush (ie: the last election), not the United States nor America but personally, it was Bush Americans overwhelmingly rejected, and that hurts, you! Especially you!

Annan just finished blasting President Bush for all the world to see, not the USA, nor America but just Bush, again, that must hurt you so!

I, myself, blast Bush many times, not America, the USA nor the troops but just President Bush and I know that hurts you tremendously!

But, you don't see that, all you see is President Bush, it's all about Bush to you and your feelings are hurt.

Not America, the USA nor the troops, it's just Bush to you!

You, my friend take it too personal! Let President Bush go, try it, everyone else has! :cool:
 
I think the title of this article is a bit misleading, it should of read...

Annan to blast President Bush in farewell

Don't you agree? :cool:

Agree with what?What some UN rat said?With citizens like you the USA does not need any enemies?
 

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