Anecdotal Observations on Re-opening where YOU live

[Paradoxical]

Coming home from an appointment this morning I decided to take a different route. On a back street of mostly light industry there it was: a blue, standalone mail drop box. The paint was a little faded and there was some trash underneath. I pulled over and checked it out. The dropslot had spiderwebs weaved back and forth. The hinged door opened with a little force and a load squeak. The little card in the plastic window was weathered and damaged beyond recognition.

As I got back in my car I couldn't help but think - The result of the election may depend on what is dropped into that box.

I bet it was all rusted ad hadn't been opened in months prior to you.

 

[Paradoxical]

We've been relatively fortunate here in the far South West of England; only 14,000 recorded cases from a population of around 5 million, and 1,200 fatalities. Folk have been largely behaving themselves and adhering to lockdown regulations. One issue has been the seasonal influx of vacationers from other parts of the country, post-lockdown easing, who crowded our beaches, unprotected. Locals have been staying well clear of them. We must still wear masks on public transport, including taxis, and in stores. No mask, no entry, no exceptions.

No coronavirus deaths recorded across the entire South West in last 24 hours - Somerset Live

First COVID-19 death at Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital in exactly a month - Devon Live

Isn't it great to be like sheep?

 

[snakestretcher]

Isn't it great to be like sheep?

No, what's great is to be alive because we weren't ****ing stupid like conservative Americans, whining about their 'freedom!' How many new daily cases do you have now; around 40,000? And you complain that other countries have the virus under control, calling them "sheep"? It would be hilarious if it were not so tragic.
Six million cases, 175,000 deaths. You're doing great. Keep it up, because Trump told you it's under control and, apparently, has been for months. And you call us sheep when you believe every word the lying sack of festering offal tells you?

 

[Paradoxical]

No, what's great is to be alive because we weren't ****ing stupid like conservative Americans, whining about their 'freedom!' How many new daily cases do you have now; around 40,000? And you complain that other countries have the virus under control, calling them "sheep"? It would be hilarious if it were not so tragic.
Six million cases, 175,000 deaths. You're doing great. Keep it up, because Trump told you it's under control and, apparently, has been for months. And you call us sheep when you believe every word the lying sack of festering offal tells you?

The price of freedom is sometimes high. We would rather live free or die. Leftists would rather cower in fear and bow to authority. That's about the nut of it. Only country with any balls was Sweden. Go figure. A socialist leaning country wanting freedom over totalitarianism.

My kudos to Sweden.

 

[snakestretcher]

The price of freedom is sometimes high. We would rather live free or die. Leftists would rather cower in fear and bow to authority. That's about the nut of it. Only country with any balls was Sweden. Go figure. A socialist leaning country wanting freedom over totalitarianism.

My kudos to Sweden.

Die then, see how 'freedom' feels, six feet under. Count how many ****s I don't give.

 

[Grand Mal]

The price of freedom is sometimes high. We would rather live free or die. Leftists would rather cower in fear and bow to authority. That's about the nut of it. Only country with any balls was Sweden. Go figure. A socialist leaning country wanting freedom over totalitarianism.

My kudos to Sweden.

Gawd, what a crock. Do you actually believe this crap or are you just dicking arohnd with words? "Live free or die". You guys just love your bumper stickers, don'tcha?
You guys are just a bunch of spoiled brats crossing your arms and refusing to be inconvenienced. "I don't want to and you can't make me!" Times like these show us who among us can't be counted on for anything. Who are the selfish bastards.
"Live free or die." Gimme a break.

 

[ElChupacabra]

So, now you are saying the Swedes stayed 6 feet apart from one another while in the parks, on the streets and in the restaurants? May I see this evidence?


Even if that were true, and the pictures I saw show that it is false, then the mask theory is STILL wrong.

Since we don't have metrics on compliance anywhere, I can only go off of policy and what been reported.

I don't know what it is with your group, or why you refuse to use common sense. Sweden HAD a relatively high death rate compared to similar countries. I have admitted this and even brought it up in a post as it was higher than the United States, at least at one point. The gap is now closing somewhat because COVID is now infecting and killing people in areas that were relatively unscathed before in America. 574 per million for Sweden and 529 for the United States.

Interesting you mention "common sense" since one has to ask the question as to why the rest of the country didn't heed the warning signs on display in the northeast in terms of how contagious this disease is and how quickly it can overwhelm hospitals. What's actually on display in the currently impacted states is what can happen without preventative measures, and once the cases started rising, most states introduced restrictions on group contact. We don't have an example of a population in any industrialized nation which isn't taking some form of action. So what you're advocating isn't in practice anywhere, which means no one thinks it's viable.

Voltaire had it right:

"Le sense commun n'est pas si commun".

Now go look at the chart for New York, New Jersey, Mass and Connecticut, who were formerly some of the highest death rates per million in the entire world or anywhere between 1200 to 1800 per million and their death rate gas dropped like a rock in a pool to near nothing. We can't bury our heads in the sand and say it's the masks because every state has been wearing masks just like those four states and yet now the OTHER states are seeing major increases. The people in the four states mentioned were getting infected and dying long after they started wearing masks in almost identical numbers to Sweden which did not wear masks.We need to look at immunity and how it works and we are clueless. The medical professionals and science are still in the dark as to how ity works. I said early on and still say that millions have or had COVID and just don't know it because they were either not in poor health to begin with or for whatever reason(s) their chemical makeup was such that the virus just did not enter their bodies. We as a race just don't have the answers to this.

I live in one of those states, so I'm well aware of what's going on. I haven't stated that it's just the masks, but yet you keep repeating that point. No scientist anywhere has stated that mask usage alone is the solution. Masks are supposed to be used when social distancing isn't possible, but the social distancing along with the restrictions put into place by the state government have helped those states reach the numbers they're seeing now. Your point seems to ignore problem of uncontrolled infection overwhelming our ability to treat those who are sick. I do think we need to understand immunity better, but the option of having the citizenry be an open experiment poses too high a risk.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Here is a new story.

Coronavirus outbreak on Seattle fishing boat may offer insight into immunity | Fox News



So we had three people in close quarters who had COVID before and did NOT get it. The important thing to note, though, is the other 15 crew members who did not get and never had it before. Even though the article speculates that they "possibly" had jobs that protected them. I don't see ANY research they did on that and that is the most important thing of all they should research. Why didn't THOSE 15 people become infected? Where were they all the time? I suggest that those 15 have a barrier of some sort that just stops the virus from even entering their bodies. No one knows this.

It appears that some just do not get this virus. Like the Spanish flu, not all ever even got it. Not all that do will die. We are flying ny the seats of our pants with a lack of knowledge and humans think living in a bubble will protect them. When we do that, the next time something comes around our immune system will be shot from lack of use and we WILL all die. That should scare the crap out of the readers here. Like the Martians who invaded earth and hadn't ever been exposed to germs and viruses, humans will be dying in the streets.

But what we do know is that the virus is contagious enough to severely impact high numbers of people; that rate will depend on how large the contagion impacts any given community. Even if some people aren't impacted, enough are that it compromises our ability to handle the sick. If we take the "our immune systems will sort it out!", how many do you think will have died without the policies put in place by the areas which have managed to curb the spread? Even without mandated restrictions, how do you think people would have reacted to high hospitalization rates?

 

[Paradoxical]

Die then, see how 'freedom' feels, six feet under. Count how many ****s I don't give.

That’s hurtful. But I am one the lucky ones.

 

[Paradoxical]

Gawd, what a crock. Do you actually believe this crap or are you just dicking arohnd with words? "Live free or die". You guys just love your bumper stickers, don'tcha?
You guys are just a bunch of spoiled brats crossing your arms and refusing to be inconvenienced. "I don't want to and you can't make me!" Times like these show us who among us can't be counted on for anything. Who are the selfish bastards.
"Live free or die." Gimme a break.

Funny that those imposing their fears onto society calls others spoiled brats. I am out of town and can’t post much but you get the “Mirror time” award of the day.

 

[Paradoxical]

Since we don't have metrics on compliance anywhere, I can only go off of policy and what been reported.


Interesting you mention "common sense" since one has to ask the question as to why the rest of the country didn't heed the warning signs on display in the northeast in terms of how contagious this disease is and how quickly it can overwhelm hospitals. What's actually on display in the currently impacted states is what can happen without preventative measures, and once the cases started rising, most states introduced restrictions on group contact. We don't have an example of a population in any industrialized nation which isn't taking some form of action. So what you're advocating isn't in practice anywhere, which means no one thinks it's viable.

Voltaire had it right:

"Le sense commun n'est pas si commun".



I live in one of those states, so I'm well aware of what's going on. I haven't stated that it's just the masks, but yet you keep repeating that point. No scientist anywhere has stated that mask usage alone is the solution. Masks are supposed to be used when social distancing isn't possible, but the social distancing along with the restrictions put into place by the state government have helped those states reach the numbers they're seeing now. Your point seems to ignore problem of uncontrolled infection overwhelming our ability to treat those who are sick. I do think we need to understand immunity better, but the option of having the citizenry be an open experiment poses too high a risk.

Let me explain it more simply. Four states have gained near immunity. Those who would get it did and those who would die have died. That’s why the death rate in those states dropped like a rock.

 

[Taylor]

Yeah, I will say my prayers for torrential downpours all labor day weekend to keep folks away from going to the beaches in droves.

In San Diego? Good luck with that

 

[Paradoxical]

But what we do know is that the virus is contagious enough to severely impact high numbers of people; that rate will depend on how large the contagion impacts any given community. Even if some people aren't impacted, enough are that it compromises our ability to handle the sick. If we take the "our immune systems will sort it out!", how many do you think will have died without the policies put in place by the areas which have managed to curb the spread? Even without mandated restrictions, how do you think people would have reacted to high hospitalization rates?

What we know is that almost everyone on that boat is now immune if they weren’t before. Excellent news.

 

[Luce]

Let me explain it more simply. Four states have gained near immunity. Those who would get it did and those who would die have died. That’s why the death rate in those states dropped like a rock.

No states have gained near immunity.

 

[year2late]

Let me explain it more simply. Four states have gained near immunity. Those who would get it did and those who would die have died. That’s why the death rate in those states dropped like a rock.

Which states have gained near immunity?

 

[Paradoxical]

Which states have gained near immunity?

New Yawk, mass, Conn. and New Joisy.

 

[Paradoxical]

No states have gained near immunity.

You’re wrong.

 

[year2late]

New Yawk, mass, Conn. and New Joisy.

Do you have proof of "near immunity"?

 

[Paradoxical]

Do you have proof of "near immunity"?

Yes. The coronavirus charts for world wide stats. Need a link?

 

[year2late]

Yes. The coronavirus charts for world wide stats. Need a link?

Just a link to the stats on states you say have "near immunity"

Also, please define what you believe "near immunity" means.

 

[Luce]

You’re wrong.

Which states have had a 70% infection rate?

 

[Paradoxical]

Which states have had a 70% infection rate?

There is no proof that it takes a 70% infection rate. I am mobile but listening to Dennis Prager earlier and he says it could be just 50%. I will see what I can find. Either way, there is no scientific evidence one way or the other.

I am using common sense which I have gone over in many posts before this.

 

[Luce]

There is no proof that it takes a 70% infection rate.

And, once again, Paradoxical demonstrates that he doesn't understand how herd immunity works.

And that he listens to Dennis Prager.

 

[Paradoxical]

And, once again, Paradoxical demonstrates that he doesn't understand how herd immunity works.

And that he listens to Dennis Prager.

typical leftist tactic of attempted character Assassination. In this case of a guy who has written more books than you have read.

 

[Luce]

typical leftist tactic of attempted character Assassination. In this case of a guy who has written more books than you have read.

Danielle Steele has also written many books, which does not make her a virologist or epidemiologist, either.