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And now it's global COOLING!

Born Free said:
Yeah, we have to have Global Warming, Liberals have to have it no matter what, make it up, use bogus science etc. That's the only crutch liberals have to kill, Keystone, oil and coal and of course jobs.
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What we have is the mess humans have made, or are you planning on fighting about that hoping god will clean it up?
 
WCH said:
Global cooling: Arctic ice caps grows by 60% against global warming predictions | Mail Online

A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 60 per cent.
The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.
Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.


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I'm a little on the fence on global warming. (Not that there's a heating trend, but that we necessarily cause it)

However, anecdotally, it snowed here (Germany) for 7 months last year, starting in October and snowing off and on until April.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'm a little on the fence on global warming. (Not that there's a heating trend, but that we necessarily cause it)

However, anecdotally, it snowed here (Germany) for 7 months last year, starting in October and snowing off and on until April.
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Let me see if I can predict the response. "Weather and climate are completely unrelated. Actually anything that works against the "climate change" narrative is irrelevant and unrelated."
 
Deuce said:
1) Single-year change is useless for establishing trends.
2) Article is going by ice area, where volume is a far better measurement. After all, volume would tell you the actual amount of ice, whereas area could leave you fooled. The volume increase was less dramatic. (not even making it back to the trend line, barely making it back to one standard deviation below the trend!)
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordp...olumeAnomalyCurrentV2.png?<?php echo time() ?
3) 2012's was a record low. As you can see from here
Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag
This "expansion" of sea ice is barely making it back to the trend line. Hardly a growth trend.


So is that sufficient or should I continue explaining that weather is highly variable from year to year, therefore a single year isn't indicative of anything?
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We have been in a pause since 1997, so much for your theory:

There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles.

In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.

A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.

If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming. The news comes several years after the BBC predicted that the arctic would be ice-free by 2013.

Despite the original forecasts, major climate research centres now accept that there has been a “pause” in global warming since 1997.

The original predictions led to billions being invested in green measures to combat the effects of climate change.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...cientists.html
 
TiredOfLife said:
What we have is the mess humans have made, or are you planning on fighting about that hoping god will clean it up?
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Your right about the mess we have, however that mess is the middle class making less now than when Obama took office. Our unemployment is a mess with the black community at the highest unemployment rate. Our economy is a mess with as little a growth rate ever after a recession. The Liberal made a mess of Obamacare killing jobs, Keystone is killed, coal is on the kill list, as is oil. And with that jobs are on the kill list. But liberals would have the world unemployed than kill a tree. Liberals have never been about jobs. Never.

People out of work is a ****ing mess, you can say that.
 
Born Free said:
Your right about the mess we have, however that mess is the middle class making less now than when Obama took office. Our unemployment is a mess with the black community at the highest unemployment rate. Our economy is a mess with as little a growth rate ever after a recession. The Liberal made a mess of Obamacare killing jobs, Keystone is killed, coal is on the kill list, as is oil. And with that jobs are on the kill list. But liberals would have the world unemployed than kill a tree. Liberals have never been about jobs. Never.

People out of work is a ****ing mess, you can say that.
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Your partisan mess, has also been avoided.
 
Deuce said:
1) Single-year change is useless for establishing trends.
2) Article is going by ice area, where volume is a far better measurement. After all, volume would tell you the actual amount of ice, whereas area could leave you fooled. The volume increase was less dramatic. (not even making it back to the trend line, barely making it back to one standard deviation below the trend!)
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordp...olumeAnomalyCurrentV2.png?<?php echo time() ?
3) 2012's was a record low. As you can see from here
Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag
This "expansion" of sea ice is barely making it back to the trend line. Hardly a growth trend.


So is that sufficient or should I continue explaining that weather is highly variable from year to year, therefore a single year isn't indicative of anything?
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Almost daily we have threads or posts regarding less and less coverage this or that year compared to the last one or previous ones, and you don't tell them anything like that lame excuse.. So why is it okay for a warmer to post such and not a skeptic?

This double standard doesn't help your side of the debate..
 
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