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Anarchy. Time for Martial Law?

Should Martial Law be declared in Minneapolis / Portland if the Rule of Law is lacking

  • No

    Votes: 29 72.5%
  • Yes

    Votes: 11 27.5%

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Deuce

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Your statement that "this is not a Black thing" spoiled your post, as what you mean is "this isn't BLM" .. and, then you really spoil it by saying it's about "militias". :roll:

It's too late to cover it up, as everyone in America pretty much knows it's BLM behind all the violence, the bullying, rioting, looting, assaulting and murder in our cities' streets.

So now the left is just going to have to deal with it. And as the DHS and DOJ investigation into who's funding the violence will most definitely find the smoking gun leading to BLM, the left will soon have to deal with the arrest of the BLM founders on organized crime charges.

Little attempts at denial of the truth that BLM is the source behind all the violence are .. futile.

That’s right folks, BLM is behind ALL CRIMES!

Like a Saturday morning ****in cartoon.
 

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Anarchy. Time for Martial Law?



Minneapolis and Portland have been in a
State of Anarchy if not "Riot".


If I owned property in either area I would certainly Wonder -
- Where Is Law Enforcement?

This Is Not A Black Thing!
This is a thing of non resident militias creating havoc.




Moi sez
"Enough is enough".
Enforce the "Rule of Law".



President Trump should give local, county, State authorities 48 hours to restore order or face "Martial Law".
Including federal military involvement.



Moi

In '68, protesting Vietnam was considered contrary to "law and order".
Portland, Minneapolis are truly so. Or am I so . . .



STOP :2canadian​

Progressive. Lol.
 

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That’s right folks, BLM is behind ALL CRIMES!

Like a Saturday morning ****in cartoon.

This is the same guy that spent a week pushing an anonymous article from "a prominent 80s activist."
 

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Well we have the

Kill them all and let god sort them out crowd

And

The lets talk them to death crowd


Actually both teams have failed addressing poverty and unemployment for blacks. That is.really what is driving.all the unrest.. It is not a democrat thing. .

Portland, Seattle, Kenosha? Strange were only seeing it where blacks are a much smaller portion of the population and not seeing it where blacks are a much larger percent of the population. Chicago the exception seems to be a looting problem rather than a protest or "unrest" problem.
 

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On the original topic:

I'm more of a "let it burn" believer. I honestly think the worst thing to do is get int the way when the opposition is making themselves look like idiots.

This is in the "you get the government you deserve" category. If the people you elect will stand idly by while your city burns that's on you.
 

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OP thinks Kenosha is in MN.

OP is likely more familiar with Russian geography than those pesky things called "states" here in America.
 

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Progressive. Lol.

More Than YOU I betchya


Progressive as in "economic" progressive thought such qualification
has never been required of Progressive before, that I can remember.



The Eisenhower Tax Code, caused people to wonder if a raise
would boost them to a higher tax bracket. ref.: "Mad Men".
Eisenhower built, FREEWAYS, not tollways!


Bipartisan tax cuts since JFK, amounting to hardly dinner & a movie for us,
created new economic dynasties while ObamaCare and MediCare remain a
poor joke on "us".
All "they" do is guarntee some health care industry access to your estate should . . .
That Is Why I Chose, Plan F. Close The Donut Holes.
Likewise drug coverage that costs 33% more than "goodrx.com".
This is not progressive. Comprende.
This is "liberal". Charge Working People for Welfare Peoples' benefits.
ObamaCare: Silver Plan for a family of 2 parents, 2 kids, hundreds of dollars/month
and everyone gets cold/flu the same month. WHAT SILVER PLAN.
Do The Math. 4 doctor's visits. 2 Rx per visit, etc. etc.
Libs need only disassociate from Wall St,. Back to "Main St."


Progressive is an economic philosophy, and social welfare.
Not YOUR Liberal interpretation and excuses.
Ref,: The Democratic Party Welfare Plantation System. at whose costs?


Don't Confuse Progressive with "Liberal"
 

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More Than YOU I betchya


Progressive as in "economic" progressive thought such qualification
has never been required of Progressive before, that I can remember.



The Eisenhower Tax Code, caused people to wonder if a raise
would boost them to a higher tax bracket. ref.: "Mad Men".
Eisenhower built, FREEWAYS, not tollways!


Bipartisan tax cuts since JFK, amounting to hardly dinner & a movie for us,
created new economic dynasties while ObamaCare and MediCare remain a
poor joke on "us".
All "they" do is guarntee some health care industry access to your estate should . . .
That Is Why I Chose, Plan F. Close The Donut Holes.
Likewise drug coverage that costs 33% more than "goodrx.com".
This is not progressive. Comprende.
This is "liberal". Charge Working People for Welfare Peoples' benefits.
ObamaCare: Silver Plan for a family of 2 parents, 2 kids, hundreds of dollars/month
and everyone gets cold/flu the same month. WHAT SILVER PLAN.
Do The Math. 4 doctor's visits. 2 Rx per visit, etc. etc.
Libs need only disassociate from Wall St,. Back to "Main St."


Progressive is an economic philosophy, and social welfare.
Not YOUR Liberal interpretation and excuses.
Ref,: The Democratic Party Welfare Plantation System. at whose costs?


Don't Confuse Progressive with "Liberal"

Leftist filth began calling themselves "liberal" in the 1960s to try to hide the fact that they were really anti-American Marxist scum. They were only fooling themselves, of course, nobody else. By 1990 these so-called leftist "liberals" finally realized that their self-delusion was not working, and nobody bought their "liberal" lie. So they began calling themselves "progressive" instead. Leftists are neither "liberal" nor "progressive." Just the opposite actually. One constant among leftists is that they love to lie, even to themselves.

So there is no confusion between "liberal" and "progressive." They are both deliberate lies that leftists like to tell people, that only the very stupid are gullible enough, or self-deluded enough, to believe. They both mean exactly the same thing, and it is not a good thing.
 

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Moi621 - Lean - Progressive

:lamo

I smell a Russian.
 

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A state of emergency and martial law should be declared in the cities of the riots. With this, it should be boomed out so all can hear "looters will be shot" - and that means with live ammo. It would not take shooting many to end all looting and arson. Problem solved.

I do not write that as hyperbole.
Yet another stupid and trolling post.
 

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Leftist filth began calling themselves "liberal" in the 1960s to try to hide the fact that they were really anti-American Marxist scum. They were only fooling themselves, of course, nobody else. By 1990 these so-called leftist "liberals" finally realized that their self-delusion was not working, and nobody bought their "liberal" lie. So they began calling themselves "progressive" instead. Leftists are neither "liberal" nor "progressive." Just the opposite actually. One constant among leftists is that they love to lie, even to themselves.

So there is no confusion between "liberal" and "progressive." They are both deliberate lies that leftists like to tell people, that only the very stupid are gullible enough, or self-deluded enough, to believe. They both mean exactly the same thing, and it is not a good thing.

Thanks for a most honest attempt.
Not at all as puerile as some recent uploads ;)


I do believe Progressive is about the distribution of wealth
whereas Liberals preserve the uber wealthy and social engineer at the
costs of the WorkingPoor. ObamaCare & MediCare good examples.
Who pays?



This thread is not about that, cool!?




At What Point Of Civil Disorder inclusive of
emergency vehicle not able to get to the fire / heart attack,
Arson
Looting
etc.

and / or

Over what duration of failure of Local, County, State gov't to manage it
would you concur with Martial Law?

Thank You


Moi






BLAME
:2canadian​



Eisenhower built Freeways
NOT Tollways.
Progressive.
 
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Thanks for a most honest attempt.
Not at all as puerile as some recent uploads ;)


I do believe Progressive is about the distribution of wealth
whereas Liberals preserve the uber wealthy and social engineer at the
costs of the WorkingPoor. ObamaCare & MediCare good examples.
Who pays?



This thread is not about that, cool!?
The actual Progressive Party existed from 1890s until the 1930s. They were entirely former Republicans, including Theodore Roosevelt. They were also strong advocates for the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, and 19th Amendments. When Democrats, like President Wilson, opposed all of those progressive reforms. Those who claim to be "progressive" today are actually massively regressive and anti-human.

At What Point Of Civil Disorder inclusive of
emergency vehicle not able to get to the fire / heart attack,
Arson
Looting
etc.

and / or

Over what duration of failure of Local, County, State gov't to manage it
would you concur with Martial Law?

Thank You


Moi






BLAME
:2canadian​



Eisenhower built Freeways
NOT Tollways.
Progressive.

Martial law violates the US Constitution, therefore any government who declares it is automatically an enemy of the US and must be disposed immediately by any means necessary. A declaration of martial law is essentially the government declaring war against its citizens, and they will lose.
 

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The actual Progressive Party existed from 1890s until the 1930s. They were entirely former Republicans, including Theodore Roosevelt. They were also strong advocates for the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, and 19th Amendments. When Democrats, like President Wilson, opposed all of those progressive reforms. Those who claim to be "progressive" today are actually massively regressive and anti-human.



Martial law violates the US Constitution, therefore any government who declares it is automatically an enemy of the US and must be disposed immediately by any means necessary. A declaration of martial law is essentially the government declaring war against its citizens, and they will lose.

Article one of the Constitution allows for martial law. And the SC elaborated on those powers in Ex Parte Milligan. In essence martial law can be imposed when the local judicial system can not function.
 

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National Guard

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Shooting Resisters/Looters

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End to the Riots.

Exactly what needs to be done to restore law and order (and civility and security).

Rioters were tearing down historic statues and monuments. An EO asserted that every person caught tearing down historic statues and monuments would get 10 years federal hard time. End of tearing down historic statues and monuments. The same needs to be applied to rioting and destruction of property.
 

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Marshal law would definitely be an over reaction.

Agreed. The state and local governments need to stop allowing riots and rioters (through their inaction and pulling the police back and ham stringing them), declare a curfew for a few weeks if need be to restore law and order, but law and order needs to be the end result.

The state and local governments who, through their inaction and ham stringing their police, have done nothing but encouraged and emboldened the rioters, arsonists and criminals. These criminal acts cannot be permitted or go without just consequences.
 

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Obama's aide stated that they handled their virus crisis poorly and were merely lucky that it did not go out of control.

**** happens...

The vast majority, as in all except one, didn't know how hard COVID-19 would hit, and were not prepared. South Korea did it right, as they had been hit hard by H1N1 (I think it was), and that lesson stuck with them. I don't believe any other nations were hit as hard by H1N1.
 

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Article one of the Constitution allows for martial law. And the SC elaborated on those powers in Ex Parte Milligan. In essence martial law can be imposed when the local judicial system can not function.

No, it does not. Congress has the power to "provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions." They do not have the power to suspend the US Constitution.

You had better read Ex Parte Milligan again, because it doesn't say anything like what you claim it does. The Supreme Court ruled that the federal government could not establish military courts to try civilians, except where civil courts were no longer functioning in an actual theater of war. At no time did the Supreme Court ever state that the US Constitution can be suspended in favor of martial law.
 

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The Mayors of Minneapolis, Seattle, and Portland, as well as the Governors of Minnesota, Washington, and Oregon need to be arrested and charged with 18 U.S. Code § 2339 (Harboring/Concealing Terrorists) and 18 U.S. Code § 2384 (Seditious Conspiracy). They are looking at up to 30 years in a federal prison if convicted.

If the feds came in and did that, implemented a curfew, pretty sure it would end the riots and destruction.

The feds, as well as every US tax payer, has an interest in stopping the riots and the destruction; after all, the bankrupt cities left in their wake are going to end up going to feds begging for money, hence every US tax payer has an interest.
 

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Exactly what needs to be done to restore law and order (and civility and security).

Rioters were tearing down historic statues and monuments. An EO asserted that every person caught tearing down historic statues and monuments would get 10 years federal hard time. End of tearing down historic statues and monuments. The same needs to be applied to rioting and destruction of property.

Executive Orders are not law, nor can they alter any existing law. Executive Orders pertain exclusively to the Executive Branch and has no authority beyond the Executive Branch.
 

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There is also the point where you just push people into an open revolt.

Police are a social fiction, outnumbered by thousands to one, and that social fiction and that authority it represents only exists so long as people choose to believe it exists.
Well said. In democracies power is granted by the People. Government derives it's power from us. We agree to be governed, not the other way around.
 

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If that backfires, it would be a catastrophe, like any escalation of violence.

When someone commits a crime, in civil law that person is arrested, charged, and brought to court, not summarily shot in the streets. Or is that kind of legal system something you actually want to end?

"When someone commits a crime, in civil law that person is arrested, charged, and brought to court", but then, in a civil society those same people who are arrested aren't released the same to only to commit more of the same crimes they were arrested for, or worse escalate in the severity and heinousness of their crimes on innocent civilians.
 

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If the feds came in and did that, implemented a curfew, pretty sure it would end the riots and destruction.
Except for implementing a curfew, you are right. It would end the terrorism because they are being supported by the Democrat politicians in those cities and States. Remove the criminal Democrat leadership, and you will end the acts of leftist terrorism. Remember, if they are violating the law for their own personal gain then it is merely a riot. However, if they are violating the law in order to coerce or intimidate government or civilians, then they have crossed the line into terrorism. Either way, if laws are being broken or if there is any kind of violence, then it cannot be a protest. All protests are both lawful and peaceful.

The feds, as well as every US tax payer, has an interest in stopping the riots and the destruction; after all, the bankrupt cities left in their wake are going to end up going to feds begging for money, hence every US tax payer has an interest.

I agree, and the best way to stop the terrorism is to arrest the Democrat terrorist instigators and supporters, like Kalama Harris and the Mayors and Governors that allow the terrorist attacks to continue unabated.
 
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