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Anabolic Steroids

I think he was using a drug to cut weight in addition to deca (the steroid he was using).

I don't know if I'd call Testosterone "perfectly safe" because they have tested individuals that currently use steroids but good longitudinal studies haven't been done.

Asked anybody what the results of constant collisions on the football field would cause to the mental heal of NFL athletes and they would of told you nothing. Now we're finding that a career on the gridiron has been causing major issues for some of the those athletes.

In this case...steroids...it's a risk all athlete's would be taking. In an ultra-competitive sports it could be the difference between making the team and getting...every athlete would be taking steroids and the ramifications of synthetically increasing testosterone in the body would take time to gauge.

I guess I'm not as quick to believe that increasing anything to the body over the long term is good for you. I'm hesitant without a lot of data to say "yup....steroids are fine, go ahead and make athlete's using them so that I can watch unnatural beasts slam in to each other while I drink my beer and eat my wings".

I think that's a conservative and well reasoned position. You won't get any argument from me.
 


I know it's supposed to be lighthearted comedy and I probably should just roll my eyes and shrug it off, but this guy is just stupid and misinformed (and clearly has never done steroids just from looking at him). Steroids don't make your dick smaller, they make it BIGGER. Think Viagra only more powerful and it works 24/7. Actually, just remember what it was like having the hormones of a teenager and you'll catch the drift.

I know dudes who do steroids not for the muscles, but just because it makes such a dramatic difference in their sex lives.
 
I know it's supposed to be lighthearted comedy and I probably should just roll my eyes and shrug it off, but this guy is just stupid and misinformed (and clearly has never done steroids just from looking at him). Steroids don't make your dick smaller, they make it BIGGER. Think Viagra only more powerful and it works 24/7. Actually, just remember what it was like having the hormones of a teenager and you'll catch the drift.

I know dudes who do steroids not for the muscles, but just because it makes such a dramatic difference in their sex lives.

didn't kat W have some type of crack induced break down, anyway?
 
Why are they illegal? Should they be?

I would love to hear your thoughts.



FYI: Anabolic Steroids are regulated in the United States by the Controlled Substances Act following the controversy over Ben Johnson's victory at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul. During deliberations, the American Medical Association (AMA), Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as well as the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) all opposed listing anabolic steroids as controlled substances, citing the fact that use of these hormones does not lead to the physical or psychological dependence required for such scheduling under the Controlled Substance Act.

Nevertheless, anabolic steroids were added to Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act in the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990... placing them in the same class as heroin or cocaine.

Access should be granted to anyone who wants them who is of sound mind and age (determined by the local government). Organizations should have the right not to allow people who are under the influence of the substance to participate in their organization (determined by the organization).

There are many uses for this drug which has helpful effects to damaging effects.
 
Here's another question since at least 30% of DP's users are gay.

Why is it legal for doctors to prescribe injectable testosterone (steroids) to transgendered patients wanting to become more masculine, but it is not legal for doctors to prescribe the same to athletes who want to become better at their craft?

That's actually a very good question and I'm not sure I see a difference.
 
A lot of time the sports do have policies against performance enhancers which I agree with. Either you're watching someone that has artificially increased his performance or you have a situation every athlete has to shoot up to compete.

I'd also recommend checking out a list of dead pro wrestlers and the very high deathrate of individuals that were fairly young and fit when they had a stroke/heart attack etc. It's a pretty sobering list and makes it pretty evident why sports that allow substance use to exist or necessary to compete are doing a huge disservice to their athletes.

There is a big difference between being fit and muscular/not fat.

I don't think anyone who tips the scales at that weight could be considered fit and I'm sure their huge diets to maintain that weight contributed a great deal to those strokes and heart attacks.
 
I don't care if they're legal or not. My only true concern on this is keeping records for physical feats honest. If you break a record, you have to get tested. If you piss hot, you don't go in the books.

Oh I agree with that. Not quite as impressive to break the home run record when you're all roided up. However, I don't believe there is one high-level athlete competing today in any major sport that isn't on steroids.

The thing is, there are steroids that simply can't be tested for.

Even bicycling is riddled with 'roids. BICYCLING. Think about that.
 
Oh I agree with that. Not quite as impressive to break the home run record when you're all roided up. However, I don't believe there is one high-level athlete competing today in any major sport that isn't on steroids.

The thing is, there are steroids that simply can't be tested for.

Even bicycling is riddled with 'roids. BICYCLING. Think about that.

It's a huge problem in sports these days. Banning it just put them underground when a little peer pressure would have worked better. Something along the lines of "Take steroids? You must be a little bitch that can't hack real training."
 
It's a huge problem in sports these days. Banning it just put them underground when a little peer pressure would have worked better. Something along the lines of "Take steroids? You must be a little bitch that can't hack real training."

Yeah, the problem is there are millions of dollars at stake, and millions of dollars talk a lot louder than peer pressure.

Say you're a college football player from a poor socioeconomic background. If you take steroids, you could go to the NFL and earn a multi million dollar contract. If you don't, you could go back to whatever rathole you came from. The choice is pretty easy, and you can't really blame them for making it.
 
I know it's supposed to be lighthearted comedy and I probably should just roll my eyes and shrug it off, but this guy is just stupid and misinformed (and clearly has never done steroids just from looking at him). Steroids don't make your dick smaller, they make it BIGGER. Think Viagra only more powerful and it works 24/7. Actually, just remember what it was like having the hormones of a teenager and you'll catch the drift.

I know dudes who do steroids not for the muscles, but just because it makes such a dramatic difference in their sex lives.

Steroids will not make your penis smaller, but they can make your testicles smaller, if using a lot and for a long time
 
Yeah, the problem is there are millions of dollars at stake, and millions of dollars talk a lot louder than peer pressure.

Say you're a college football player from a poor socioeconomic background. If you take steroids, you could go to the NFL and earn a multi million dollar contract. If you don't, you could go back to whatever rathole you came from. The choice is pretty easy, and you can't really blame them for making it.

That's another problem that I think needs to be completely done away with. Money has completely ruined sports on all fronts. The **** isn't even fun to watch because the players lack heart. They're just a bunch of roided up hulking freaks of science and nature. They already got their money and their contract, they don't give a ****.
 
That's another problem that I think needs to be completely done away with. Money has completely ruined sports on all fronts. The **** isn't even fun to watch because the players lack heart. They're just a bunch of roided up hulking freaks of science and nature. They already got their money and their contract, they don't give a ****.

I agree 100%, that's why my favorite sports are college football and the Olympics. Professional sports aren't my bag.
 
Oh I agree with that. Not quite as impressive to break the home run record when you're all roided up. However, I don't believe there is one high-level athlete competing today in any major sport that isn't on steroids.

Yeah, you might find a few really talented hold outs (like BJ Penn might not be on them), but I think that would prove more the exception than the rule. Likely what current testing achieves is a move away from a 'wild west" mentality like you have in BB. Where people are pumping themselves with any and everything
 
It's a huge problem in sports these days. Banning it just put them underground when a little peer pressure would have worked better. Something along the lines of "Take steroids? You must be a little bitch that can't hack real training."

the problem with that is steroids really help with longevity and general injury recovery. So given a few million dollars, peer pressure tends to stop being relevent
 
Steroids will not make your penis smaller, but they can make your testicles smaller, if using a lot and for a long time

it's also Kat Williams, a ****ing crack head
 
the problem with that is steroids really help with longevity and general injury recovery. So given a few million dollars, peer pressure tends to stop being relevent

It's also a cheat that can never replace natural performance. Sporting used to be about personal development of growth and skill, but now any regular jack off can shoot up and be a superstar. It robs the spirit of the game.
 
Yeah, you might find a few really talented hold outs (like BJ Penn might not be on them), but I think that would prove more the exception than the rule. Likely what current testing achieves is a move away from a 'wild west" mentality like you have in BB. Where people are pumping themselves with any and everything

If I were a professional athlete and I had the motivation to be the best I could be and make the most money I could make, I'd take a ton of human growth hormone and insulin, since no major sports association tests for these things that I'm aware of.

Then I would take testosterone injections before and after every workout, and as long as it doesn't have an ester that stays in your body for any amount of time, it will be flushed out of the system and undetectable within a couple hours.

There is simply no way to police this stuff.
 
If I were a professional athlete and I had the motivation to be the best I could be and make the most money I could make, I'd take a ton of human growth hormone and insulin, since no major sports association tests for these things that I'm aware of.

I'm pretty sure the boxing commissions do. But if I recall correctly, HGH is extremely difficult to test for and they go by measurements of IGF-1
 
It's the exact same Testosterone Ethanate that's given out at "Anti Aging Clinics" to older men along with a box of Viagra and a pat on the back. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

I think it's safe because supplemental testosterone is given all the time for all sorts of reasons, and the side effects are almost always temporary according to all the medical literature.

I think their illegality comes down to something cultural, not anything medicinal. That's why all the medical bodies in this country didn't support making them illegal in the first place - it was ramrodded through by the White House and has continued to be so, regardless of the president's party.

We want our sports to represent the ideal of hard work paying off, we don't want to be a drug culture that rewards doping. That's fine, and I can get behind the sentiment. Hell, that's why congress is involved in baseball.... something that took me about a year to figure out as it seems they'd have better things to do.

The problem is that while I admire the philosophy, I don't subscribe to it. Hard work is great, but smart work is better. Injecting supra-physiological levels of androgens in to the male body is safe, as long as it's done under a doctor's supervision. Drugs do make you bigger and stronger than you could ever be without them, and in a much shorter time.

The purpose of a man's life is to compete. If we're not competing, we might as well hang it up and die. We compete in sports, we compete with women, we compete in business. Sometimes you need to take risks and do whatever it takes to get ahead regardless of whatever anyone else thinks.

Take women, for example. Women like muscles. If having muscles means I get to bed hotter women, then my gene pool is winning. Any minimal risks by taking steroids are far outweighed by that.


As for the woman whose picture you posted, how do you know that steroids alone caused that?

She looks like "that" because bodyfat level is below a healthy or normal level, not because of steroids. when top level bodybuilders compete, they are judged on "cuts" just as much as size or proportion, thus they nearly always diet like maniacs prior to a competition. It's quite frequent that they will become physically ill from the dieting, and some have even passed out from dehydration and diet caused illness (actual malnutrition even though they may be huge).

Steroids help them to become really big and muscular, it's the unsafe dieting that causes them to look like "that" (although some will take steriods while dieting, they aren't really taking the steriods to lose body fat they are taking them to try to maintain muscle size). Most female bodybuilders look quite normal (although somewhat "thick" or stocky) and often very attractive to guys who don't like stick women, when they are not dieting for a competition. I don't think that it is the muscle size that tends to gross normal people out, it's the all over body veins popping out and starved facial features that do.
 
She looks like "that" because bodyfat level is below a healthy or normal level, not because of steroids. when top level bodybuilders compete, they are judged on "cuts" just as much as size or proportion, thus they nearly always diet like maniacs prior to a competition. It's quite frequent that they will become physically ill from the dieting, and some have even passed out from dehydration and diet caused illness (actual malnutrition even though they may be huge).

Steroids help them to become really big and muscular, it's the unsafe dieting that causes them to look like "that" (although some will take steriods while dieting, they aren't really taking the steriods to lose body fat they are taking them to try to maintain muscle size). Most female bodybuilders look quite normal (although somewhat "thick" or stocky) and often very attractive to guys who don't like stick women, when they are not dieting for a competition. I don't think that it is the muscle size that tends to gross normal people out, it's the all over body veins popping out and starved facial features that do.

Dude, she has total man face, which tends to be a bye product of heavy test (or similar) supplamentation
 
Dude, she has total man face, which tends to be a bye product of heavy test (or similar) supplamentation

thats because her bodyfat level is so low.

I bet if you saw here in her off season condition, she would look quite normal.

This isn't the same chick, but she's a typical example of a offseason female bodybuilder:

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She doesn't look a bit like a man, only a really big girl.

Now here she is in competition condition

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Her face is depleted of normal bodyfat and she looks more manly and freakish.

Thats my point, it's not really steroids, she was on steroids in both pics, it's her low bodyfat percent in competition shape that makes her look more manly.
 
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