An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever [W:456]

[Linc]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

we are supposed to have 50 independent states, who run their own affairs , the only things which are to tie the states together are the 18 powers of congress and that's all.

if america had a national government, then every state would be the same in all laws.

I'm more for your 2nd paragraph than against it, mainly because of the state of politics. Take the concealed-carry law. Where does it rank next to a balanced federal budget. I say not even close. Let's write the best CC we can and then apply it to all 50 states. Inner city gun laws are not working. The most ardent gun control person must give on this, again on my soap box.

 

[Master PO]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

I'm more for your 2nd paragraph than against it, mainly because of the state of politics. Take the concealed-carry law. Where does it rank next to a balanced federal budget. I say not even close. Let's write the best CC we can and then apply it to all 50 states. Inner city gun laws are not working. The most ardent gun control person must give on this, again on my soap box.

a national government would be like France, with its democratic socialist government controlling the whole country.

america is a republican form, with limited government, and state powers, with every state being different, as Reagan said"..you can vote with your feet", if a state raise taxes to high or creates laws you dont like, you the citizen, can move to another state, where those laws you dont like are not present.

 

[Linc]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

The Republican Form of government is one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated, individuals retain sovereign prerogatives over their private property rights (absolute ownership) of their person, labor and property.

The democratic form of government, in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the whole body of free citizens[a collective), individuals do not retain sovereign prerogatives over their private property rights, of their person, labor and property.

The U.S. Constitution guarantees a republican form to the states. (See Art.4,Sec.4)

And with spokesman like you it will remain that way. And the U.S. Constitution has served us well. It has overseen us into Modern times and into a third century. With a broken government in DC and constant fighting within, between and among the 50 states, it is time for a change, IMHO. Do you have an aristocratic hairpiece?

 

[Master PO]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

And with spokesman like you it will remain that way. And the U.S. Constitution has served us well. It has overseen us into Modern times and into a third century. With a broken government in DC and constant fighting within, between and among the 50 states, it is time for a change, IMHO. Do you have an aristocratic hairpiece?

i believe in true republican government, repeal the 17th, the 16th and get rid of the federal reserve.

return power to the states, the people, and the power of money back to the people.

stop the democracy garbage, and return to republican government.

 

[Etoner]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

i believe in true republican government, repeal the 17th, the 16th and get rid of the federal reserve.

return power to the states, the people, and the power of money back to the people.

stop the democracy garbage, and return to republican government.

Democracy "garbage"?

How should Congressmen be selected if not through a democratic vote?

How should legislation pass the House if not through democratic vote?

Are you calling for rule by Executive Decree?

 

[cpgrad08]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

Lose the 10th Amendment. Rewrite the 2nd Amendment. Kill the 11th Amendment.

Naw, It's written very clearly, and no again .

 

[Etoner]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

Like it or not, the powers of the Federal government have been significantly expanded.

But its better that way. If we were 50 loosely governed states much like Canada's Provinces, we wouldn't be able to sufficiently deal with our very national problems.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

And with spokesman like you it will remain that way. And the U.S. Constitution has served us well. It has overseen us into Modern times and into a third century. With a broken government in DC and constant fighting within, between and among the 50 states, it is time for a change, IMHO. Do you have an aristocratic hairpiece?

Nothing needs to change... we need to restore it, not change it.

 

[Etoner]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

Nothing needs to change... we need to restore it, not change it.

It won't happen.

Too many Americans like their Medicare, Social Security, FAA, FCC, EPA, DEA, and FDA.

Having fifty different versions of these very important agencies and programs is just stupid and incredibly inefficient.

 

[Linc]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

And if the choice to scuttle the Constitution in favor of some kind of national charter then what? If people want to go somewhere and live under a king then let them...but not in this country.

Why would the American people want to scuttle the Constitution? We need a way out of the DC disaster and its many lowpoints, like the total accumulated debt, without assigning blame.

 

[Linc]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

a national government would be like France, with its democratic socialist government controlling the whole country.

america is a republican form, with limited government, and state powers, with every state being different, as Reagan said"..you can vote with your feet", if a state raise taxes to high or creates laws you dont like, you the citizen, can move to another state, where those laws you dont like are not present.

What did Washington, Jefferson and the rest mean by the fact that they were "Democratic-Republicans"?

 

[Linc]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

How do we restore the Consitution without a Convention? DC and the several states have proven they are impotent.

Nothing needs to change... we need to restore it, not change it.

 

[Linc]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

Length of terms--2 years is too short in this day and age for a Rep. with too many issues that are too complex. Make it 3 with a good denominator with the Senate. As well, make the POTUSA 6 years as well. Aren't we all tired of the 2016 talk that started last year?

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

Democracy "garbage"?

How should Congressmen be selected if not through a democratic vote?

How should legislation pass the House if not through democratic vote?

Are you calling for rule by Executive Decree?

He doesn't believe in the malignant federal government that was unleashed by the evil FDR administration and its rape of the tenth amendment

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

It won't happen.

Too many Americans like their Medicare, Social Security, FAA, FCC, EPA, DEA, and FDA.

Having fifty different versions of these very important agencies and programs is just stupid and incredibly inefficient.

the states should run such things-if a state is too generous to the parasites and too confiscatory of the wealth of the producers, the producers will move and bankrupt the state. That is how it should be

 

[Master PO]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

Democracy "garbage"?

How should Congressmen be selected if not through a democratic vote?

How should legislation pass the House if not through democratic vote?

Are you calling for rule by Executive Decree?

democracy is the most vile form of government--James Madison

the u.s. constitution was created as a mixed constitution-federalist 40, a balance of power between the people, and the states. this way power is not concentrated in only one entity, but into two entities, which helps prevent tyranny.

Mixed government, also known as a mixed constitution, is a form of government that integrates elements of democracy, aristocracy, and monarchy. In a mixed government, some issues (often defined in a constitution) are decided by the majority of the people, some other issues by few, and some other issues by a single person (also often defined in a constitution). The idea is commonly treated as an antecedent of separation of powers.

the house is the democracy....direct vote of the people.............this is representation of the people

the senate is the aristocracy...indirect vote of the people, they elect their state legislature, and the legislature appoints the senator, this is representation of the states.

the president is the monarchy...the state legislature, choses the delegates, who makeup the electoral college who chose the president, this is representation of the union.

I want to have republican government were the people and the states are equally represented, which we don't have today because of the 17th amendment, which removed state representation in the senate, and from the federal government.

 

[Goshin]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

Lose the 10th Amendment. Rewrite the 2nd Amendment. Kill the 11th Amendment.

That's why I refuse to support a convention.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

How do we restore the Consitution without a Convention? DC and the several states have proven they are impotent.

Look, there are just as many lawyers and rabid partisans at the local level as there are at the federal level... maybe more. This forum is proof of that.

Holding a CC prior to reducing the rampant corruption and subversion of our representation will accomplish nothing... quite likely it could make things much worse.

If for no other reason than to reserve our representatives for actually doing their jobs as opposed to raising funds for campaigns, publicly funded campaigns must be demanded. Lobbying must also have a leash put on it. Though not through barring it... over 50% of our reps go on to become lobbyists after their terms at an average salary increase of 1400%. As Jack Abramhoff said, all I had to do was say to a staffer... you should come look me up at my firm, we could use a person like you... and he had them from that moment on. Whatever he wanted. End the revolving door. If you choose to serve your country, you choose never to work for any firm having any lobbying activities. Pretty simple. If that's the only job they can get after losing their seat, there was probably a reason they lost their seat... and should never have had it in the first place.

You have to cure as much of the corruption as possible first, or everything that follows is pointless.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

Length of terms--2 years is too short in this day and age for a Rep. with too many issues that are too complex. Make it 3 with a good denominator with the Senate. As well, make the POTUSA 6 years as well. Aren't we all tired of the 2016 talk that started last year?

Why do you think there are too many issues that are too complex? Could it be the very things you're trying to fix? Being tired of campaign speculation is a very very poor reason to extend terms. Do you understand why their terms are short? Take private money out of the campaign equation and some of that din will be reduced. Shrink government and you solve half the too many/too complex issues. Ban bill riders.

Extending terms reduces our ability to replace bad reps and p.servants and invites more cronyism.

 

[Etoner]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

democracy is the most vile form of government--James Madison

the u.s. constitution was created as a mixed constitution-federalist 40, a balance of power between the people, and the states. this way power is not concentrated in only one entity, but into two entities, which helps prevent tyranny.

Mixed government, also known as a mixed constitution, is a form of government that integrates elements of democracy, aristocracy, and monarchy. In a mixed government, some issues (often defined in a constitution) are decided by the majority of the people, some other issues by few, and some other issues by a single person (also often defined in a constitution). The idea is commonly treated as an antecedent of separation of powers.

the house is the democracy....direct vote of the people.............this is representation of the people

the senate is the aristocracy...indirect vote of the people, they elect their state legislature, and the legislature appoints the senator, this is representation of the states.

the president is the monarchy...the state legislature, choses the delegates, who makeup the electoral college who chose the president, this is representation of the union.

I want to have republican government were the people and the states are equally represented, which we don't have today because of the 17th amendment, which removed state representation in the senate, and from the federal government.

The President is the monarchy????

You need to get your head out of the 14th century.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

That's why I refuse to support a convention.

Yeah, that.

Instead how about we go back to supporting and defending the constitution and stop compromising with it for the sake of national security or whatever the ****.

 

[Linc]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

And who is to write the laws to police the congressmen when they leave office to become lobbyists? Surely not the foxes guarding the henhouse. Today's Chicago Tribune DC Bureau is running an article "'Border surge' called wasteful"; Immigration bill is full of pork, critics contend. It has several examples of companies who stand to profit, most of whom responded with lobbyist/CEO -type defenses of what they're doing. ,

Look, there are just as many lawyers and rabid partisans at the local level as there are at the federal level... maybe more. This forum is proof of that.

Holding a CC prior to reducing the rampant corruption and subversion of our representation will accomplish nothing... quite likely it could make things much worse.

most of whom responded with lobbyist/

If for no other reason than to reserve our representatives for actually doing their jobs as opposed to raising funds for campaigns, publicly funded campaigns must be demanded. Lobbying must also have a leash put on it. Though not through barring it... over 50% of our reps go on to become lobbyists after their terms at an average salary increase of 1400%. As Jack Abramhoff said, all I had to do was say to a staffer... you should come look me up at my firm, we could use a person like you... and he had them from that moment on. Whatever he wanted. End the revolving door. If you choose to serve your country, you choose never to work for any firm having any lobbying activities. Pretty simple. If that's the only job they can get after losing their seat, there was probably a reason they lost their seat... and should never have had it in the first place.

You have to cure as much of the corruption as possible first, or everything that follows is pointless.

 

[Linc]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

What is the legality of the "Hastert" rule? Can it be used to circumvent a conference committee?

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

I'm always a little confused by people who on the one hand venerate the Constitution, and on the other hand shrink from the possibility from a Constitutional convention -- something provided for by the Constitution.

Sort of like how I'm confused by people who proudly wave the Constitution's preamble around, but then complain that special interests would destroy it if given half a chance.

You only have something to fear fro ma Constitutional convention if you believe your ideals are so far in the minority that 3/4ths of the 50 states would throw them away -- and if they would do so, then maybe the nation shouldn't be bound by your ideals.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Re: An Open Constitutional Convention is needed NOW more than ever

And who is to write the laws to police the congressmen when they leave office to become lobbyists? Surely not the foxes guarding the henhouse. Today's Chicago Tribune DC Bureau is running an article "'Border surge' called wasteful"; Immigration bill is full of pork, critics contend. It has several examples of companies who stand to profit, most of whom responded with lobbyist/CEO -type defenses of what they're doing. ,

Lobbyists can be overridden. But I guess arabs and muslims are the only ones with the balls to organize a mass protest, national strike, civil disobedience, etc.



This is based on the work of...
Gene Sharp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and maybe... The Politics of Nonviolent Action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or the documentary Dictatorship to Democracy