An Iraqi Speaks (1 Viewer)

[GarzaUK]

Interesting story from a Sunni/Shia Iraqi about the past 3 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4896654.stm

 

[MSgt]

I'd be fed up with my culture too if I were him. The path to peace in Iraq will be realized once the zealots in each sect set aside their passed down traditions of bigotry and hate - something that was controlled under the bayonet of a dictator.

 

[Davo]

I'd be fed up with my culture too if I were him. The path to peace in Iraq will be realized once the zealots in each sect set aside their passed down traditions of bigotry and hate - something that was controlled under the bayonet of a dictator.

Change those same words to...

instead of Iraq....The United States....and sect to party.....and it works just as well....funny.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Change those same words to...

instead of Iraq....The United States....and sect to party.....and it works just as well....funny.

Ya because all of those Democrats and Republicans are so busy killing eachother right???

 

[Davo]

Ya because all of those Democrats and Republicans are so busy killing eachother right???

I never said anything about killing eachother READ...all I said was if you change those words...using the context he's using it works just the same

 

[Davo]

Ya because all of those Democrats and Republicans are so busy killing eachother right???

I never said anything about killing eachother READ...all I said was if you change those words...using the context he's using it works just the same

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I never said anything about killing eachother READ...all I said was if you change those words...using the context he's using it works just the same

To bad that we don't live under the point of a dictators bayonet.

 

[justone]

Change those same words to...

instead of Iraq....The United States...

does not make difference to you... A goat instead of a woman...

That's why nobody would enjoy to listen to your telephone fantasies with your girlfirend. You may be sure, nobody will wiretap you.

 

[Davo]

To bad that we don't live under the point of a dictators bayonet.

Do you really think so? Bush has dictator like qualities...

1. - Doesnt litsen to the public.
2. - Uses religion to boost his support.
3. - Has been going around the U.S. advertising your "stable" economy....
4. - He's been running around the country talking in all conservative crowds making the U.S. look like the most stable place on earth and pretty much making state-run propaganda :

Ex of 4 : "Mr President....I just wanna say...I think You've been doing a terrific job and I would like to know what I can do...to help you!"

Did anybody see this on FOX?

5. - Twisted the truth infront of the U.N. to fit his plans for Iraq.
6. - Surrounds himself with people with the same narrow views as him.

Nope he's not really a dictator....just a retard with too much power.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Do you really think so? Bush has dictator like qualities...

1. - Doesnt litsen to the public.

That's called representative Democracy, you elect someone because you think they are the best man to make the tough choices, I don't want a President who runs the country based on the poll numbers of the fickle public that has the attention span of a 3 year old watching sponge bob square pants.

2. - Uses religion to boost his support.

A President pandering to his base??? Say it isn't so. :roll:

3. - Has been going around the U.S. advertising your "stable" economy....

Record high GDP real growth rates, and record low unemployment. Our economy is stable not only that it is the strongest in the world.

4. - He's been running around the country talking in all conservative crowds making the U.S. look like the most stable place on earth and pretty much making state-run propaganda :

Ex of 4 : "Mr President....I just wanna say...I think You've been doing a terrific job and I would like to know what I can do...to help you!"

And obviously you haven't listened to all of the forums I've heard him get tough questions as well.

5. - Twisted the truth infront of the U.N. to fit his plans for Iraq.

I guess that's why the rest of the worlds intelligence agreed with ours.

6. - Surrounds himself with people with the same narrow views as him.

Yada yada yada, the President selects a cabinet with the same views as him??? Wow because not every leader in the free world does that right??? :roll:

 

[Iriemon]

Record high GDP real growth rates, and record low unemployment. Our economy is stable not only that it is the strongest in the world.

You're not saying this about our economy under Bush, are you? If so, you are making a false statement.

We had higher real GDP growth, at least on an annualized rate; and lower unemployment, under Clinton according to Govt published statistics. Even with those higher tax rates. Imagine that.

Where do you get the basis for these claims? Navy Pride made the same false statement a few days ago. I suspected it is Rush Limbaugh saying this stuff and you guys are ditto heads that just lap it up as rote, but NP denied listening to Rush.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

You're not saying this about our economy under Bush, are you? If so, you are making a false statement.

We had higher real GDP growth, at least on an annualized rate; and lower unemployment, under Clinton according to Govt published statistics. Even with those higher tax rates. Imagine that.
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Not according to the most recent statistics, I'll find them in a sec, I'm in class now though.

 

[Iriemon]

Not according to the most recent statistics, I'll find them in a sec, I'm in class now though.

We are all waiting with barely contained excitement.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

We are all waiting with barely contained excitement.

Economic Growth Continues
More Than 5.1 Million Jobs Created Since August 2003



On April 7, 2006, The Government Released New Jobs Figures - 211,000 Jobs Created In March. The economy created 211,000 jobs in March and has created about 2.1 million jobs over the past 12 months - and more than 5.1 million since August 2003. The unemployment rate is 4.7 percent - lower than the average of the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s.
The Economy Is Strong And Continues To Grow

• GDP Growth Is Strong. Real GDP increased 3.5 percent in 2005. The economy has been growing for 17 straight quarters, and the composite index of leading indicators has risen the past 6 months, indicating continued growth.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/economy/

Sorry technically it isn't a record high, however, Clinton reigned over the economy when the tech industry started booming due to the heavy investment of the Reagan administration. And we saw how well he managed over that didn't we? Also, Clinton didn't have 9-11 and a global war on terror to deal with either, not to mention Katrina.

 

[Iriemon]

Sorry technically it isn't a record high, however, Clinton reigned over the economy when the tech industry started booming due to the heavy investment of the Reagan administration. And we saw how well he managed over that didn't we? Also, Clinton didn't have 9-11 and a global war on terror to deal with either, not to mention Katrina.

I am more interested why I have repeatedly heard people making the same claim about record GDP growth and record low unemployment. Are conservative blogs saying this, or is it just random coincidence that different people are making the same erroneous claim?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I am more interested why I have repeatedly heard people making the same claim about record GDP growth and record low unemployment. Are conservative blogs saying this, or is it just random coincidence that different people are making the same erroneous claim?

Because there was record high growth for a three year consecutive span or something like that, and because it is near record unemployment and GDP growth and remember there's nearly three years left, if you compare the same point in their terms office then Bush's stats on unemployment and growth rate are better.

 

[Iriemon]

Because there was record high growth for a three year consecutive span or something like that, and because it is near record unemployment and GDP growth and remember there's nearly three years left, if you compare the same point in their terms office then Bush's stats on unemployment and growth rate are better.

It's not even close to the record of three consecutive years, not even in the top 10 for that past 20 years.

1982 -1.9%
1983 4.5%
1984 7.2%
1985 4.1%
1986 3.5%
1987 3.4%
1988 4.1%
1989 3.5%
1990 1.9%
1991 -0.2%
1992 3.3%
1993 2.7%
1994 4.0%
1995 2.5%
1996 3.7%
1997 4.5%
1998 4.2%
1999 4.4%
2000 3.7%
2001 0.8%
2002 1.6%
2003 2.7%
2004 4.2%
2005 3.1%

Clinton had several three year periods that were considerably stronger and Reagan kicked *** in 83-85. Go back to the 60s you find even better than that.

Unemployment at 4.7% is good now, not the best in recent periods (3.9% in Dec '00) but historically not bad. I expect we will see lower employment rates for some time, mostly because of demographics.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

It's not even close to the record of three consecutive years, not even in the top 10 for that past 20 years.

1982 -1.9%
1983 4.5%
1984 7.2%
1985 4.1%
1986 3.5%
1987 3.4%
1988 4.1%
1989 3.5%
1990 1.9%
1991 -0.2%
1992 3.3%
1993 2.7%
1994 4.0%
1995 2.5%
1996 3.7%
1997 4.5%
1998 4.2%
1999 4.4%
2000 3.7%
2001 0.8%
2002 1.6%
2003 2.7%
2004 4.2%
2005 3.1%

Clinton had several three year periods that were considerably stronger and Reagan kicked *** in 83-85. Go back to the 60s you find even better than that.

Unemployment at 4.7% is good now, not the best in recent periods (3.9% in Dec '00) but historically not bad. I expect we will see lower employment rates for some time, mostly because of demographics.

Your figures are wrong, for example the GDP real growth rate for '05 was 3.5%, where are you getting these figures?

 

[Iriemon]

Your figures are wrong, for example the GDP real growth rate for '05 was 3.5%, where are you getting these figures?

Your correct; my figure for '05 is wrong, yours is correct. The rest of the figures in my table are correct. My data is from the tables published by the Dept of Commerce Bureau of Econ Analysis. http://bea.gov/bea/dn/gdplev.xls.

It's possible I had an earlier figure that has been revised, or made a mistake.

Still doesn't make it record performance no matter which way you look at it.