RecoveringPunk
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cnredd said:I have no problem with Civil Unions, but to remove a word from law simply because certain individuals want to push political correctness is sad...
Just because you call a cat a "dog" doesn't mean it's gonna start barkin'...:shrug:
star2589 said:well, the idea isnt just to change the terminology. there's no point of replacing marriages with civil unions if gays still cant get civil unions. the idea is to eliminate civil marraige, and replace it with civil unions.
iMasticateDaily said:Well played! :2razz:
craigfarmer said:I have a great idea about Marriage:
We should resolve to make it stronger. This can be done by making divorce tougher. Also, we can more clearly delineate the benefits of marriage in our public policy in terms of taxes, and legal rights.
I dont understand this. If there is a tax credit, the marketplace isn't paying for marriage, the government is, right? And why only universal healthcare for married people?craigfarmer said:For example, every Married couple should be able to have universal healthcare through a refundable tax credit for their family. We can use the marketplace to support marriage and reduce health-care costs.
What public benefits would those be?craigfarmer said:Also, people who divorce, absent some horrible exceptions or mitigating facts, should have to forfeit any public benefits they accrued as a married couple.
I would say that we each have the right to determine for OURSELVES what is normal, right, and correct. Obviously, I can't decide that it is normal, right, and correct to go rob a bank, so the line is, I think, if I decide something is normal, right, and correct, then I should be able to do it if it doesn't hurt anyone.craigfarmer said:We as a society absolutely have the right to determine what is normal, right, and correct. Therefore we can and should state clearly that:
I'd like to hear more reasoning behind why a) You personally think that this is normal, right, and correct (which you have a right to think, of course), and b) why society as a whole should enforce this on everyone else. You were speaking before about tax - the reason we give married couples tax breaks is because they are supporting each other financially (I think). This is also true of hoomosexual couple.craigfarmer said:Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. Period.
All other relationships should be second-class and Marriages should be preferred.
I have never heard of a newliberal anything - but this doesn't sound like the liberalism I know..... are you saying that gay is /not/ ok? I'm not sure. Also, can you give MSM examples of this? I don't follow the MSM much, so I'm not familiar with it.craigfarmer said:As a newliberal democrat, I believe my party should stand up to the "gay is ok" sub-culture that consistently tries to "persuade" America that we are wrong or bigoted. The MSM both the news and enterntainment divisions continue their closed-minded march of cultural nazism: where those who disagree are bigoted or worse, and don't deserve to be heard.
OK, please answer the preliminary ones I've made here.craigfarmer said:Every argument they use can and should be answered. If we allow this trend of normalizing homosexuality to continue, we will hasten our journey at defining deviancy downward.
I would venture to say that all people shoul stand up for what is right no matter the special interest group.craigfarmer said:Democrats should stand up for what is right no matter the special interest group.
I'm a little confused on this one.craigfarmer said:We should not become cowards because the militants will call us names, rather than debate the ideas fairly.
Well, ok. I guess that's not a statement I can take too much issue with but... other countries debate and have democracies too, ours is just... better?craigfarmer said:America is the greatest country in the world, because we, better than any other country, have ultimately chosen open debate to resolve crucial issues.
I agree on most of this.craigfarmer said:I'm a pro-choice, pro affirmative action (for all under-represented groups in any relevant area), pro market place reforms in education and health-care, against the death penalty,against free-trade, open-minded Democrat.
Great, let's have debate on this marriage issue then.craigfarmer said:Every idea I espouse is supported by logic and facts rather than emotions and insults. I'm open to change if presented with better logic or more convincing facts.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.craigfarmer said:This "Marriage" issue should be a way for Democrats to come back to our senses.
America is the greatest country in the world
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