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An example of the consensus in science that AGW is real.

Facts and scientific data have a liberal bias.
No, it's the interpretation and data correction that has a liberal bias.

The majority of academia clearly has political bias. I can see liberals being blind to this as they thing they are in the middle.
 
Well yeah, because Conservatives still argue "evolution is 'just a theory'" and argue for creationism. I guess when you sink that low in the intellectual field(s)...
Evolution is just a theory that may prove to be wrong. Creationism? In the pure form as believed of in dogma I would say is clearly wrong. However, I'm not going to rule out intelligent design, but because of statistics or bias.
 
Evolution is just a theory that may prove to be wrong. Creationism? In the pure form as believed of in dogma I would say is clearly wrong. However, I'm not going to rule out intelligent design, but because of statistics or bias.

Evolution could be wrong but it is highly unlikely given the overwhelming amount of evidence to support it and none yet presented to the contrary. What do statistics / bias have to do with ID?
 
Evolution could be wrong but it is highly unlikely given the overwhelming amount of evidence to support it and none yet presented to the contrary. What do statistics / bias have to do with ID?

Just because in our understanding of the unknown, we believe in something, that doesn't make our belief 100% fact.

Today, we would be like Gods to ancient cultures. We are increasingly closer to creating different species in genetics. Rumors of past Gods. What if the myths we have aren't just stories, but based in facts of the past?

Bottom line is, we don't know. A true scientist doesn't rule out other possibilities, but supports his theories by definitively ruling out all other possibilities. Nobody can say Intelligent Design is ruled out, especially the concept the ID might actually be a process of guided evolution.
 

Nope, beliefs aren't even close to facts. Glad we agree.

In the same way, a true scientist doesn't assert claims without evidence to support the claim. So, where is the evidence ID might be the process of guided evolution? So far, experimentally, abiogenesis is looking much stronger of hypothesis than ID ever though about being. Should we make a Simon-Ehrlich-like wager?
 
So far, experimentally, abiogenesis is looking much stronger of hypothesis than ID ever though about being.

I agree, and I'm not saying ID is strong. I'm only pointing out it cannot be ruled out.
 
I agree, and I'm not saying ID is strong. I'm only pointing out it cannot be ruled out.

It's getting close. The more ground abiogenesis gains, the more ID loses. To my knowledge, ID research is not even being conducted, even by Behe or Dembski.
 
What world do you live in?

The one where virtually all climate scientists and papers on climate science agree that AGW is real.

As opposed to the reality you live in, where you just proved those scientists wrong by simple math at your kitchen table.
 
I agree, and I'm not saying ID is strong. I'm only pointing out it cannot be ruled out.

OF COURSE it can't be ruled out.

Neither can we rule out the Flying Spaghetti Monster being the master designer.

It's not science when you assume the initial origin is magic.
 
Really?:lamo

An Open Letter to Dr. Marcia McNutt, new Editor-In-Chief, Science Magazine

Posted on August 4, 2013 by Willis Eschenbach
 

You're sure laughing a lot today. Hope the rubber room is treating you well. I guess if you're typing that means they removed the restraints.


I'm sure an open letter from a guy who has no science background berating the editor of the AAAS flagship journal will be noted for what it's worth.

Here's Willies qualifications, BTW.

http://www.desmogblog.com/willis-eschenbach
 

Just pointing out that you can't wish consensus into existence.eace
 
So?

It's pretty sad when people outside the field can smell the BS in the field...
 
Well yeah, because Conservatives still argue "evolution is 'just a theory'" and argue for creationism. I guess when you sink that low in the intellectual field(s)...



Why do people continually compare real sciences to AGW Science?

It's like comparing a favorite performance of music to a howling pack of dogs.
 
It's getting close. The more ground abiogenesis gains, the more ID loses. To my knowledge, ID research is not even being conducted, even by Behe or Dembski.



Just playing Devil's advocate here, but who is to say that the the Intelligence that made the design did not design in adaptability?
 
OF COURSE it can't be ruled out.

Neither can we rule out the Flying Spaghetti Monster being the master designer.

It's not science when you assume the initial origin is magic.




What caused the Big Bang?
 
When you talk about consensus, it means among scientists, not wannabes.



A question that is asked in the article posted is wondering why the cooling of the Little Ice Age was followed by warming which in turn was followed by an increase in CO2.

Nobody has answered this using AGW Science.

The article notes the same silence.
 
The Flying Spaghetti Monster (its actually the Big Boil Theory).


This response is everything that all of my experience in discussing topics with you has taught me to expect.
 
Why do people continually compare real sciences to AGW Science?

It's like comparing a favorite performance of music to a howling pack of dogs.

Are you saying it's not? As a biologist, the climate scientists go through the same things I have to with grant applications, data collection, analysis of this data, peer-review and publication.

Just playing Devil's advocate here, but who is to say that the the Intelligence that made the design did not design in adaptability?

Lack of evidence. Do keep up with the scientific method.

What caused the Big Bang?

Begging the question. Why do you fallaciously presuppose a cause? FYI, Threegoofs answer carries as much merit as anything you could hypothesize, too.
 



As a biologist, you are probably held to a standard which demands that assertions that can be proven or falsified. AGW Scientists have the unique scientific allowance to be able to make predictions that are never checked for accuracy and assigning causes where no such assignment is justified by proof.

The evidence for adaptability existing is that it exists. What the origin of that adaptability might be is not known whether by science or religion. The acceptance of one theory over the other is only done by faith. Are you asserting that you know the exact and certain cause of life? I was not aware that this had been nailed down. How much life have you created in your lab?

So now we are saying that things happen without a cause? What branch of biology asserts magic to be real? Can you please provide an example of something in the real world that has happened without a cause? The flying spaghetti monster and God are not that dissimilar. That is why I asked the question. If there is no hard and fast scientific answer, those who find comfort in a supreme being are justified in finding it.

Does Science choose an answer to be correct because it's as good as anything I could hypothesize? I mean non-AGW Science?
 
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