ItAin'tFree
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You're right. The World has not been safe against USA aggression from Granada, Vietnam, Korea, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Yemen, Chile, etc. and not one of those Nations attacked us. We attacked them. Afghanistan is partially justified because of OBL, but Omar asked for evidence that OBL was behind 9-11 and implied if we could prove that, then he would submit OBL to authorities. We've attacked lots of Nations. Full time war. Good for business, don't you think? You're right. The World is not a safe place. The War Machine is out to getcha.
While I'm not privy to Jane Fonda's deepest private thoughts on the matter, the pictures make me uneasy. She's supposedly anti-war, roughly 35 years old and in my opinion a little past being like "wow gosh lookit the big boom stick!" I'm in my thirties, relatively anti-war myself, and know what a damn cannon is and what it's used for.
LOL. Nice failed attempt to lump everything together as the USA being the aggressor in each and every case. When excluding all the countries you listed that truly did not meet your "aggressor" standard, really what we're left with is two off your list. Haiti and Libya. And if we do a really big stretch, Libya falls off the list as well. Our actions in all the other you listed were the result of the aggressive actions of listed country and the USSR or muslim terrorists.
And no, overall long term, war is not good for business. But it is a good thing we have a "war machine". If we didn't, we'd be dodging more bombs than we have. There is an old saying that applies to everyone (I don't know where it came from) and it is completely true. Here it is: "You may have no interest in war but it always has an interest in you". History proves that statement 100% correct.
Libya doesn't "fall off". the US spent the most money, flew the most sorties, did command and control, and targeted the Qaddafi convoy for assassination outside Sirte.
Further Hillary/Suan Rice lied about the "Viagra rape"
Amnesty questions claim that Gaddafi ordered rape as weapon of war - Africa - World - The Independent
At the end of the "NATO partnership" it was only the US/GB/France (the 'old colonialists' to tie into this thread) left.
The rest of NATO had dropped out.
Oh. and our actions created the terrorist state that is now Libya. Yankee Doodle.
So you're good with communism. How did you feel about the fascists and the nazis?
LOL. Nice failed attempt to lump everything together as the USA being the aggressor in each and every case. When excluding all the countries you listed that truly did not meet your "aggressor" standard, really what we're left with is two off your list. Haiti and Libya. And if we do a really big stretch, Libya falls off the list as well. Our actions in all the other you listed were the result of the aggressive actions of listed country and the USSR or muslim terrorists.
And no, overall long term, war is not good for business. But it is a good thing we have a "war machine". If we didn't, we'd be dodging more bombs than we have. There is an old saying that applies to everyone (I don't know where it came from) and it is completely true. Here it is: "You may have no interest in war but it always has an interest in you". History proves that statement 100% correct.
Fascism and Corporatism are pretty much the same thing and I don't like the Corporatism here in the USA. "War is good business" is Corporatism and it is a boom business here in the USA. China is Communist and I don't hear your rant indicting China. I don't think anybody ever liked the Nazis. The Nazis were the last bad guy "ism" that I can recollect. All others are marketed and promoted for war profit and corporate resource acquisition. Like OIL in the ME. Pipeline routes. Shipping lanes. Normal, everyday CORPORATISM. Known as Fascism under Mussolini but just plain old Corporatism here in the USA.
You appeared to go light on communism, easily use the term 'fascism' as a pejorative and feel the nazis were the last bad guy 'ism' that you can recollect.
Of course fascism and 'corporatism', whatever that means, are not 'pretty much the same thing', which is probably why you don't invite comparison or offer examples. Why do you feel US corporations are worse than other corporations? I've traveled to a few countries and the locals always want to work for countries based in the democracies, including American.
Maybe you aren't aware of "The Evil Empire" and their history of murder, through a variety of means, of well over 100,000,000 people, and destroying the lives of millions more.
That anyone could claim that Nazism was the last bad guy 'ism' is truly shocking in this new world of immediate information. It's sad and pathetic and reflects very badly on recent educational systems.
Amazon.ca: Customer Reviews: The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression
https://archive.org/details/TheBlackBookofCommunism10
Explain the $600 billion USA Military Offense budget.
I can't, it doesn't exist.
It is more than the rest of the world's combined military budgets and we are less than 5% of the World's population.
Good thing it's us instead of China, Russia, North Korea......
We've gone bankrupt spending $3 trillion on failed wars in the last decade and we were the aggressor/invader in every case.
We've gone bankrupt but it's not because of Defense spending. Take a look at the budget over the last 50 years.
Morons is all I think. Easily deceived, media manipulated mental mind bending at its' finest and you are the star of the class, as far as I can tell. Your cerebral sponge sucks up everything so you don't have to see reality, eh?
I have no doubt you think like that. Next time though try harder and you'll see your name on your own list.
SOUND FAMILIAR?
CORPORATISM
Corporatism
"Fascism's theory of economic corporatism involved the management of sectors of the economy via government or privately controlled organizations (corporations). Each trade union or employer corporation would, in theory, represent its professional concerns, especially through negotiation of labor contracts and the like. This approach, it was theorized, could result in harmony amongst social classes. Authors have noted, however, that de facto economic corporatism was used in specific instances of silencing opposition and rewarding political loyalty."
not only do we have a burgeoning fed'l gov't, we are also the victim of plutocratic rule; wherebye the "1%'rs" have a huge share of the money,
and leverage that power politically to protect their interests.
we could cut the entanglement of defense contractors (General Dynamics, et all) to the Pentagon, the revolving door of lobbiests from gov't.
I call it an 'incestuous relationship' in that the breeding is sub-par, and..well.. too close in familiarity.
The Osprey was a case in point, but there are a zillion examples.
when you have this huge military, you are tempted to use it.
To get back to Vietnam the same mindset of the Cold War whereby we immediately conflated Vietnam
with security threats in Eurpore, or our hemisphere; is being played out today.
we like to meddle in world affair, and to do so, one needs a superior military. It becomes self -fufilling, a bigger military, for more meddling;
more meddling requires a bigger ( or new weapon systems) - which is perpetual war mindset.
LOL. Nice failed attempt to lump everything together as the USA being the aggressor in each and every case. When excluding all the countries you listed that truly did not meet your "aggressor" standard, really what we're left with is two off your list. Haiti and Libya. And if we do a really big stretch, Libya falls off the list as well. Our actions in all the other you listed were the result of the aggressive actions of listed country and the USSR or muslim terrorists.
And no, overall long term, war is not good for business. But it is a good thing we have a "war machine". If we didn't, we'd be dodging more bombs than we have. There is an old saying that applies to everyone (I don't know where it came from) and it is completely true. Here it is: "You may have no interest in war but it always has an interest in you". History proves that statement 100% correct.
Civil wars are not acts of aggression towards the USA.
War is good for many businesses, especially the ones that support our politicians.
Which civil wars did you have in mind?
Again, any specifics?
I was trying to think of any countries civil war that we became involved in the fighting that did not contain any aggressive acts toward the US. So far I come up empty but maybe I have overlooked one. But I kind of doubt it.
So it's kinda like one of those, y'know, fantasy things?
Libya.I was trying to think of any countries civil war that we became involved in the fighting that did not contain any aggressive acts toward the US. So far I come up empty but maybe I have overlooked one. But I kind of doubt it.
Then there is Afganistan, sucked into that war because of the AQ training camps, but they didn't attack us.NATO sources say that more than 10,000 sorties have been flown over the oil-rich nation resulting in large-scale destruction of the country’s infrastructure and the reported deaths of 10,000 to 15,000 people.
The Qaddafi regime for it's part, has made much more modest claims. It was reported, July 14th:
On Wednesday, Libya’s prosecutor general accused NATO of killing 1,108 people and wounding another 4,500 and filed charges against the alliance’s chief in Libyan court.
Then there is Afganistan, sucked into that war because of the AQ training camps, but they didn't attack us.
Libya.
we went in on supposed 'humanitarian reasons'
(even though NATO wound up dropping bombs on the city of Misrata - how does one humanely drop bombs?) but it was a civil war.
The NTC came from Bengazi/east Africa one of the sporadic uprising to overthrow Qaddafi.
Qaddafi was busily shelling their pick up trucks, until we decided to enforce the UN No Fly zone a bit more...shall we say agressively? :roll:
Daily Kos: How Many Libyans has NATO Killed?
Then there is Afganistan, sucked into that war because of the AQ training camps, but they didn't attack us.
We're in the Yemenise civil war, one could say we were attacked by the underware bomber.
And of course good old Vietnam, still can't figure out how they attacked us.
Qaddafi supported terorism, but almost got blown up in his tent by Reagan, Qaddafi's wake up call.I probably would agree with you on Libya. They were no threat to us or anybody else. However, the fact is they did in the past display aggressive acts against the US as Obama reminded us
OK. not wanting to quibbleAfgan- forget about it. You are way off the mark.
true enough, AQAP is a nasty bunch, but our drones are ubiquitous.Yemen-The Cole. Plus the carryover from all other muslim terror acts.
we depend on Yemen ground forces to call them in, or fighters in their civil war. They are a bit jumpy in Sanaa, and it isn't from the coffee.
Yemen
none of which required a fuill scale invasion by the US.Vietnam-before we had the first combat unit in country, way before; two American service men were murdered by the VC in an attack directed from the North. Then again, the Gulf of Tonken. The first night was for real, the second is debatable.
none of which required a fuill scale invasion by the US.
Which civil wars did you have in mind?
Again, any specifics?
Vietnam vets will never accept and apology from this woman. She should be charged and tried as a traitor to this country......what she said and did is inexcusable May she rot in hell..
America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' | Fox News
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