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America's Checks and Balances?

It's for this thread if I say it is Captain.
And if anyone with authority says it isn't then this forum will lose the pleasure of my participation.

1. Where did I quote any "rule?"

2. Your post referred to topics which have nothing to do with the topic of this thread. In other words, a possible Red Herring fallacy.

3. I was pointing out that I don't participate in "thread derailing." It defeats the purpose of "debating" a provided topic.

You are, of course, free to do whatever you chose. 🤷‍♂️
 
It's not that Trump himself hasn't provided the proof that he intends to steal the election if he has to, it's only rebutted on the basis of him somehow making a joke about the whole process.

What on Dog's green earth has happened to Americans who can't see the great danger that is fast approaching?

We CAN see the danger and the need to stop it. That's the very reason Trump is your President.
 
It's amusing, everyone is so damn scared about Trump hijacking an election, or trying to de-legitimize the election, or sue to win etc,

Except in the past 20 years, only Democrats have done that.....
 
It's amusing, everyone is so damn scared about Trump hijacking an election, or trying to de-legitimize the election, or sue to win etc,

Except in the past 20 years, only Democrats have done that.....

This is not really very surprising.

As shown by many events both recent and past since 2016, both the Democrats and the various Left-Leaning political groups have been asserting Trump and anyone who does not agree with them guilty of all sorts of evils.

Racism, sexism, fascism, intolerance, lying, trying to undermine the Constitution, trying to undermine elections, on and on and on...when it is the Democrats and their Left-Leaning supporters who factually and actually demonstrate all of those sins.

This is known as projection, and they do it intentionally via tactics of Moral Panic, and IMO also in keeping with the Marxist-Leninist dialectic.

Maxist-Leninist Dialectic: The Marxian process of change through the conflict of opposing forces, whereby a given contradiction is characterized by a primary and a secondary aspect, the secondary succumbing to the primary, which is then transformed into an aspect of a new contradiction.
https://www.wordnik.com/words/dialectic
 
We don't need checks and balances against Trump. He follows the law. We need checks and balances...and vigilance...against the Democrats. For them, the ends justify any means.

Are you saying that checks and balances are not necessary so long as the President follows the law? Do you believe that the purpose of checks and balances is to provide a defense against an opposing political party? I'm going to hazard a guess that you haven't read the Federalist Papers, am I right?
 
The American system of government and law is about to fail and it appears there are no checks and balances to save it. It's almost certain that America is not going to be capable of carrying out a fair and democratic election.
This can't be brushed off as not a sign that fascism is about to eliminate America's democracy. Supposing Trump needs to steal the election and declare himself the winner on the night of the election, is there any checks and balances left that can come into effect to uphold democracy. I would suggest that Trump has control over all of them now. Even America's military may not stand up to be relied upon to save the country from Trump! Trump may already have the support of the military to carry out his plan.

That is, except one outstanding factor that can still protect democracy and that is violence by the good people who value their country's rule of law.

Checks and balances went out the window decades ago when congress began to pass unconstitutional laws, delegate power to the exec, the judicial branch started ruling on feelings instead of what the law says, and the idiot public divided itself into factions and then made everything about winning power and rewarded all this corruption with 90% re-election rates. Trumps hyperbole is the least of our problems.
 
Are you saying that checks and balances are not necessary so long as the President follows the law? Do you believe that the purpose of checks and balances is to provide a defense against an opposing political party? I'm going to hazard a guess that you haven't read the Federalist Papers, am I right?
sigh...

I'm commenting on the nonsense from the OP. Let him move his own goal posts.

You are dismissed.
 
Checks and balances went out the window decades ago when congress began to pass unconstitutional laws, delegate power to the exec, the judicial branch started ruling on feelings instead of what the law says, and the idiot public divided itself into factions and then made everything about winning power and rewarded all this corruption with 90% re-election rates. Trumps hyperbole is the least of our problems.
Yeah, except that if Trump wins somehow then he will be the biggest of your problems. And if Biden wins then you'll still have the same problems.
 
Yeah, except that if Trump wins somehow then he will be the biggest of your problems. And if Biden wins then you'll still have the same problems.

No, ignorant voters joining parties and re-electing the same corrupt politicians every 2 years will continue to be OUR biggest problem. Trump is just a symptom, not the cause.
 
Trump is proof that our system of checks and balances is paper thin, and always has been.
 
No, ignorant voters joining parties and re-electing the same corrupt politicians every 2 years will continue to be OUR biggest problem. Trump is just a symptom, not the cause.

Trump is a symptom of something much, much worse. The return of fascism right here in the United States. This isn't just garden variety corruption combined with voter apathy, although it's certainly linked to it.
 
Supposing Trump needs to steal the election and declare himself the winner on the night of the election, is there any checks and balances left that can come into effect to uphold democracy.
It's cute how leftists always say Trump is the one trying to steal the election, when its the liberal left who is expending so much energy to change the voting process in a way that practically invites rampant fraud. Trump is fine with absentee balloting. It's unsolicited ones he is against, and rightfully so, considering the fraud we've seen in places like New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania.

I would suggest that Trump has control over all of them now.
How so? By doing his job? Presidents preside for four years, not 3½.

If anything, it's the liberals who are attempting to hijack the other two branches of government. Just in the previous couple weeks we've heard:
  1. Democrats threatening to "pack the Supreme Court full of liberal-leaning justices."
  2. Democrats hypocritically demanding the president withhold picking RBG's replacement (as if they'd even cater to the notion if a democrat were president).
  3. Democrats demanding term limits on Justices, when it's clear this is targeting constitutional judges, to replace with liberal ones.
  4. Democrats propping up an obviously senile presidential pick, knowing they'll eventually replace him with a DNC-appointed vice president (basically appointing a president, bypassing a fair election).
  5. Liberal media people like Don Lemon and Reza Aslan calling to "burn the whole f**king thing down" if RBG is replaced before the election.
  6. (Insane) Nancy Pelosi threatening impeachment [insert laugh track here] if democrats don't get their way (like petulant little children).
  7. Democrats (pretty much all of them) being on record, back in 2015, saying Obama had "every right" to appoint a justice in the final few months of his reign term.
Liberals are the ones attempting hostile takeovers of all three branches of government, and they're not ashamed to admit it. As long as their simp followers get their "free stuff," they'll be fine with it.
 
The American system of government and law is about to fail and it appears there are no checks and balances to save it. It's almost certain that America is not going to be capable of carrying out a fair and democratic election.
This can't be brushed off as not a sign that fascism is about to eliminate America's democracy. Supposing Trump needs to steal the election and declare himself the winner on the night of the election, is there any checks and balances left that can come into effect to uphold democracy. I would suggest that Trump has control over all of them now. Even America's military may not stand up to be relied upon to save the country from Trump! Trump may already have the support of the military to carry out his plan.

That is, except one outstanding factor that can still protect democracy and that is violence by the good people who value their country's rule of law.


What has Trump accomplished?

1. Tax cuts for rich people. The only reason he was able to cut taxes for the rich is because the republican house and senate wanted to cut taxes.

2. 40 miles of border fence on a 2,000 mile border.


The reason Trump has accomplished so little is because the American system is full of checks and balances.
 
Trump is a symptom of something much, much worse. The return of fascism right here in the United States. This isn't just garden variety corruption combined with voter apathy, although it's certainly linked to it.

No, the minor issue of fascism is yet another symptom/result of centuries of factionalism, dependence on govt, and voluntary ignorance. Same as the rise in leftist violence. Cat and dogs living together.
 
What has Trump accomplished?

1. Tax cuts for rich people. The only reason he was able to cut taxes for the rich is because the republican house and senate wanted to cut taxes.

2. 40 miles of border fence on a 2,000 mile border.


The reason Trump has accomplished so little is because the American system is full of checks and balances.
That's a decent argument 'swing', although non-specific. But not relating to the topic of this thread because you haven't stated anything that can save the election.
For one example, there doesn't seem to be any way of taking down Barr as A/G. The system should have never allowed him to get there to begin with! Even the impeachment process is useless as has been demonstrated.
I'm talking on the basis of you understanding that Trump is a very mentally ill madman.
 
We don't need checks and balances against Trump. He follows the law.


why post such gibberish? Honestly?

You me the dumbass on the corner all know tRump is by far the most dishonest President in this countries history. Posting as you just did is nothing but trolling.
 
It's cute how leftists always say Trump is the one trying to steal the election, when its the liberal left who is expending so much energy to change the voting process in a way that practically invites rampant fraud. Trump is fine with absentee balloting. It's unsolicited ones he is against, and rightfully so, considering the fraud we've seen in places like New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania.


How so? By doing his job? Presidents preside for four years, not 3½.

If anything, it's the liberals who are attempting to hijack the other two branches of government. Just in the previous couple weeks we've heard:
  1. Democrats threatening to "pack the Supreme Court full of liberal-leaning justices."
  2. Democrats hypocritically demanding the president withhold picking RBG's replacement (as if they'd even cater to the notion if a democrat were president).
  3. Democrats demanding term limits on Justices, when it's clear this is targeting constitutional judges, to replace with liberal ones.
  4. Democrats propping up an obviously senile presidential pick, knowing they'll eventually replace him with a DNC-appointed vice president (basically appointing a president, bypassing a fair election).
  5. Liberal media people like Don Lemon and Reza Aslan calling to "burn the whole f**king thing down" if RBG is replaced before the election.
  6. (Insane) Nancy Pelosi threatening impeachment [insert laugh track here] if democrats don't get their way (like petulant little children).
  7. Democrats (pretty much all of them) being on record, back in 2015, saying Obama had "every right" to appoint a justice in the final few months of his reign term.
Liberals are the ones attempting hostile takeovers of all three branches of government, and they're not ashamed to admit it. As long as their simp followers get their "free stuff," they'll be fine with it.
I'm not supportive of the 'left' in America; they are just the same establishment that is corrupt. But I am concerned about what's about to happen to America if Trump wins. I equate it all to the rise of Hitler. This is how a democracy is taken over by a aspiring dictator.
Support by racists like you is essential and was to Hitler. It was the German people's biggest motivation. In this case immigrants need to be blamed for the mess that corrupt capitalism has caused. Hitler blamed the Jews for the same maladies.
 
What has Trump accomplished?
  • Prior to this year, the unemployment rate had fallen below 4 percent only five times since 1970.
  • Under President Trump, job openings outnumber the unemployed for the first time on record.
  • Asian and Hispanic-American unemployment rates have reached record lows this year.
  • President Trump negotiated a new trade agreement between the United States, Canada, and Mexico to replace the disastrous and outdated North American FreeTrade Agreement.
  • President Trump has expanded market access for American agricultural producers.
  • President Trump is holding China accountable for its unfair trade practices, such as the theft of intellectual property, by imposing tariffs on $250 billion in Chinese goods.
  • America is the largest crude oil producer in the world and production has hit a record high.
  • President Trump launched an unprecedented campaign to drive down drug prices, leading more than a dozen drug manufactures to enact price freezes, reductions, or rollbacks.
  • Federal Bureau of Investigation data shows violent crime decreased under President Trump’s watch in 2017, following two consecutive years of increases.
  • President Trump signed the First Step Act, which includes bipartisan reforms to make our Federal justice system fairer and our communities safer.
  • The President signed the VA MISSION Act, revolutionizing that VA healthcare system and reforming numerous services for our veterans.
  • In a historic show of transparency and accountability, the Trump Administration completed the Department of Defense’s first ever audit.
  • For the first time in decades, Israel is entering into peace deals with various Arab nations.
Now, I know you (and the other liberals) are going to say none of this matters, or that somehow Saint Obama did most of this. It's very typical of them to attribute [insert democrat president] whenever anything good happens, and totally blame [insert republican president] for anything bad. But not all of us crave an Orwellian-style government, heavy with hyper regulation and control. Not all of us want a government that bends over to the world, and hands over billions and billions of dollars of "tribute" with nothing in return. Not all of us desire Mommy Government to take care of us like children.
 
why post such gibberish? Honestly?

You me the dumbass on the corner all know tRump is by far the most dishonest President in this countries history. Posting as you just did is nothing but trolling.
The people of Germany didn't see the gathering storm either.
All that America is going to have left to stop him is the power of the people to rise up to save their democracy.
 
  • Prior to this year, the unemployment rate had fallen below 4 percent only five times since 1970.

Any armchair economist can tell you that the 4% is not a real representation of unemployment. And add to that the fact that Trump's job creation is centered around the service industry and $10 an hour or less jobs.
America's quality of life is 15% in the world and it's not getting any better. The reason being is because the ordinary people have been hoodwinked into thinking they have opportunity in the American way. It's not working and no corporate psychopath will ever have any intentions of fixing it. It's against his personal interests.
 
The people of Germany didn't see the gathering storm either.
All that America is going to have left to stop him is the power of the people to rise up to save their democracy.


it is such a clear repeat
 
it is such a clear repeat
Yes, but it really didn't work the first time. It created a situation that was doomed to inevitable rot. And it's given Trump the opportunity to use the ailment again, combined with the immigrant issue that can be rolled into one with the blacks issue.

Nazi Germany with a different victim. I'm predicting that after the election it could be impossible to stop.
 
The American system of government and law is about to fail and it appears there are no checks and balances to save it. It's almost certain that America is not going to be capable of carrying out a fair and democratic election.
This can't be brushed off as not a sign that fascism is about to eliminate America's democracy. Supposing Trump needs to steal the election and declare himself the winner on the night of the election, is there any checks and balances left that can come into effect to uphold democracy. I would suggest that Trump has control over all of them now. Even America's military may not stand up to be relied upon to save the country from Trump! Trump may already have the support of the military to carry out his plan.

That is, except one outstanding factor that can still protect democracy and that is violence by the good people who value their country's rule of law.

Supposing Trump needs to steal the election and declare himself the winner on the night of the election, is there any checks and balances left that can come into effect to uphold democracy. I would suggest that Trump has control over all of them now. Even America's military may not stand up to be relied upon to save the country from Trump! Trump may already have the support of the military to carry out his plan.

What a ridiculous statement you made.
What exactly does "stealing the election" mean on election night?
It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that all the votes mailed in will not be counted by the end of election night.
And exactly which "checks and balances" does Trump have control over? What does that even mean?
You are writing like a bomb thrower without any substantiating logic.
 
The biggest issue to solve any disputes in the election is to have a full Supreme Court. If the election is contested we can't have a split decision. The government, military, etc will then move to whichever candidate the Supreme Court decides in favor of. Or, they could demand recounts in contested areas. Don't forget there is 2+ months between election day and the swearing in.

A positive attitude toward the probably outcome indeed.

People with an apocalyptic view of Trump winning simply love to throw bombs.
It is a TDS holdover from 2016.
 
The system of checks and balances as envisaged by the framers is not reliant on one citizen’s opinion about their necessity in a given situation. The Trump regime has a subservient senate and is attempting to stack the court. Thankfully he lost the house two years ago which reined him somewhat and is about to face the ultimate check in the form of the electorate.

That's a good one. Trump attempting to "stack the court" by following the Constitution and doing exactly what he and the Senate are supposed to do when there is a SCOTUS vacancy.
Next you are going to write that Trump's SCOTUS nominee is "illegitimate" like that idiot Senator from CT just stated.
 
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