America's 1st Muslim Congressman?!

[easyt65]

Let the Invasion begin! :roll:

Just like France, and other nations throught Europe, our goverment will soon be infiltrated by Muslims! I know I am going to catch h@ll about this, but I oppose this BIG TIME!

Everyone says Islamic Extremism only makes up for 10% of the Muslim community! Then where is the outrage and the demonstrations by the other 90% protesting those who have hijacked their religeon and who beheads innocent civilians in the name of Allah? Where are the Muslims who are volunteering to be interpretors or who are willing to fight these fanatics?

During WWII, even while we were rounding up Japanese Americans to be placed in Internment Camps, Japanese Americans - who wanted to be Americans and part of this nation, were still signing up in droves as interpretors and even soldiers to fight the Japanese who attacked us! they had something to prove - WANTED to prove thatthey are Americans 1st. the 'other 90% of Muslims' seem to be saying with their silence and refusal to serve/help that they are Muslims 1st. NOT condemning the evil we face is, in a way, embracing it.

Yet, here we go with a possible 1st Muslim Congressman!

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-09-13-08-21-02
Minnesotan May Be Congress' First Muslim

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- State lawmaker Keith Ellison didn't let questions about his past slow down his campaign to become the first Muslim in Congress.

On Tuesday, voters responded to his liberal message calling for peace, withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and universal health care. He beat three contenders in the Democratic primary in a Minneapolis-area district long dominated by his party.

"You're not on your own," Ellison told supporters at an African restaurant in a speech that had the call-and-response of a revival meeting. "We are with you. We do these things together, y'all, and we don't let nobody break us apart."

The dead give-away that he is a fony in the article above is the fact that Y'ALL is a southern phrase/term! People from Minnesota don't say 'y'all', they just end all of their sentences with 'don'cha know'. :lol:

 

[Spartacus FPV]

So I guess you just want to throw freedom of religion out of the window.

 

[Captain America]

Freedom of or freedom from?

 

[easyt65]

Good point, Cap! These days, too many politicians are targeting religeon....no, actually Christianity. Funny how the media says this guy will be a heavy favorite BECAUSE of his Muslim faith yet Bush has been persecuted for his own devout faith! I have even heard some say that he should not show any outward expression of his Christian faith because of his position of President, leading the entire nation, and that his outward expression of Christian faith could <GASP> offend someone! :roll:

Actually, I just wanted to:
1) Raise the discussion about Muslims in general, how everyone says only 10% are radicals but how the other 90% are expressing almost NO outward signs of being upset about what is going on and no willingness to help do anything about it, even in defense of 'their country'....

& 2) Raise the discussion/point out, especially in light of the 1st point, that very little has been reported about him and his own beliefs regarding this issue/what is going on. So far, all I have read about him is that he demands we withdraw from the Middle East. That can be taken/interpreted to be fotr several different reasons (like the U.N.'s coming to the rescue of Hezbollah, calling off the attack against them recently), but I do NOT want to have to interpret anything! I want to KNOW! Too many people are voting for people based on the silliest reason, thinking those reasons make for a great representative, think they know that person, only to have these guys get into office and turn out to be criminals, scam artists, and enemy-sympathisers! WHO is this guy, and does anyone care about anything else than the fact that he has embraced the Muslim Faith?

 

[MarineCorpsCandidate]

I think this is something positive and speaks highly of our country. I am proud to see that we have a Muslim Congressman. You see, we can show the world that our ideas are more powerful than the terrorists.

 

[easyt65]

True, that is one of the great things abut our country.

On the flip side, the discussion of which I intended for this post, is the fact, for example, that Lebanon has several 'Muslims' in its goverment as well. It started out as 'Democracy in action, but has resulted in Lebanon becoming a puppet state.

GRANTED, simply the Muslims being elected was not the cause of this to happen. The assassinations of key Lebonese officials, the presence of the Syrian Army, and the establishment/build-up of Hezbollah has been the major contributing factor! I don't see this happening here at all!

 

[TheNextEra]

Why don't you just implement the final solution on the Muslims in America and execute them all in gas chambers too while you're at it. :roll:

Jesus Christ I can't believe there are still people in the U.S. that are this way.

Get it though your heads people, Not all Muslims are Terrorists nor are all Muslims Hell Bent on making America an Islamic Country. It would be like me using Phelps and Robertson as an example of why Christians shouldn't be allowed to be in Congress.

 

[SixStringHero]

Why don't you just implement the final solution on the Muslims in America and execute them all in gas chambers too while you're at it. :roll:

Jesus Christ I can't believe there are still people in the U.S. that are this way.

Get it though your heads people, Not all Muslims are Terrorists nor are all Muslims Hell Bent on making America an Islamic Country. It would be like me using Phelps and Robertson as an example of why Christians shouldn't be allowed to be in Congress.

Phelps and Robertson shouldn't be, so that was actually a really good example. :2razz:

 

[mikhail]

You cant really say that muslims should be banned from becoming congressmen.

however on the wider question it seems to me alot of muslim wrongly blame the terrorist entirely because of americas foriegn policy.

 

[Red_Dave]

Let the Invasion begin! :roll:

Just like France, and other nations throught Europe, our goverment will soon be infiltrated by Muslims! I know I am going to catch h@ll about this, but I oppose this BIG TIME!

Everyone says Islamic Extremism only makes up for 10% of the Muslim community! Then where is the outrage and the demonstrations by the other 90% protesting those who have hijacked their religeon and who beheads innocent civilians in the name of Allah? Where are the Muslims who are volunteering to be interpretors or who are willing to fight these fanatics?

During WWII, even while we were rounding up Japanese Americans to be placed in Internment Camps, Japanese Americans - who wanted to be Americans and part of this nation, were still signing up in droves as interpretors and even soldiers to fight the Japanese who attacked us! they had something to prove - WANTED to prove thatthey are Americans 1st. the 'other 90% of Muslims' seem to be saying with their silence and refusal to serve/help that they are Muslims 1st. NOT condemning the evil we face is, in a way, embracing it.

Yet, here we go with a possible 1st Muslim Congressman!

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-09-13-08-21-02
Minnesotan May Be Congress' First Muslim

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- State lawmaker Keith Ellison didn't let questions about his past slow down his campaign to become the first Muslim in Congress.

On Tuesday, voters responded to his liberal message calling for peace, withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and universal health care. He beat three contenders in the Democratic primary in a Minneapolis-area district long dominated by his party.

"You're not on your own," Ellison told supporters at an African restaurant in a speech that had the call-and-response of a revival meeting. "We are with you. We do these things together, y'all, and we don't let nobody break us apart."

The dead give-away that he is a fony in the article above is the fact that Y'ALL is a southern phrase/term! People from Minnesota don't say 'y'all', they just end all of their sentences with 'don'cha know'. :lol:

Are Muslims not entitled to civil rights then? Does that not qualify as hate speach or does that not apply to muslims either?

 

[easyt65]

Why don't you just implement the final solution on the Muslims in America and execute them all in gas chambers too while you're at it. :roll:

Jesus Christ I can't believe there are still people in the U.S. that are this way.

Get it though your heads people, Not all Muslims are Terrorists nor are all Muslims Hell Bent on making America an Islamic Country. It would be like me using Phelps and Robertson as an example of why Christians shouldn't be allowed to be in Congress.

Gas chambers and executing them all? Now that is way over the top. I am glad I stimulated discussion, though.

Part of my point is this:

1. True, not all Muslims are terrorists, but to date it seems all terrorists are Muslim (Extremists).

2. YOU say not all Muslims are Hell Bent on making America an Islamic Country., but the truth is about the only voices we are hearing from the Muslim world say differently. Oh, I am sure there are those out there that do not go along with the Extremists, but where are they?

3. I never said Muslims don't deserve civil rights, Constitutional Rights, etc.

This Muslim Rep stood up in his community to run for office. They say he may be a shoe-in because he is Muslim in a large district of Muslim people.

Should that be enough? meaning - doesn't anyone want to know MORE about this guy....or ANYTHING about ANY candidate anymore? I swear there are Democrats out there who would vote for Hitler reincarnate if he ran in the U.S. as a Democrat, party 1st. The same could be said for the GOP. Of course, this guy could be Mr. Rogers for all we know. (Side point, I guess the fact that he is Muslim doesn't matter - the side point is I believe that we need to really learn about ANYONE we are considering voting for...before finding out too late they are a jerk!)

Again, I am not choosing a side to this argument/discussion - I just wanted to see what you guys thought about the issue, if you're concerned about anything regarding it, or if you just consider this true Democracy and the American Melting Pot continuing to work. sounds like the latter, which is cool.

 

[Gardener]

I would say he should be evaluated according to his actual positions and track record in politics, myself.

His involvement in the Nation of Islam and previous writings makes him sound like a potential Cynthia McKinney to me, though, and I do not much care for such raving racists. He has evidently renounced those positions, so my question is to ask whether this renouncement is sincere or is the product of political strategy?

 

[TheNextEra]

This Muslim Rep stood up in his community to run for office. They say he may be a shoe-in because he is Muslim in a large district of Muslim people.

Should that be enough? meaning - doesn't anyone want to know MORE about this guy....or ANYTHING about ANY candidate anymore?

If an atheist and a Christian run, more often than not the Christian will get the vote JUST BECAUSE he is Christian.

Is that enough? For some Chrstians, yes it is.

 

[easyt65]

Good point......

....but just because someone CLAIMS to be a Christian doesn't mean he is. Same is true with Liberal or Conservative. Take Hillary for example, she has been wooing the mpderate of the Democratic party as well as moderate Republicans, trying to present herself as more moderate/conservative than she really is. Same thing for other politicians - they will play the game and try to presnet themselves as something that they are not just so they can get into office, at which point their 'true colors' are shown.

Kinda rolls right into my 'Sheep' Philosophy.

Most people are sheep - they go through life with their heads down, like a sheep, munching on the green grass, ever searching for more green grass on which they can feed, and as long as they have water and green grass they don't care where the path to that grass and water takes them.

People do not want to take thge time and effort to research out topics and find out about the people they of whom they are about to place the control of their very lives to. They rely on the media, which we all know usually spins everything one way or the other, rarely fairly/truthfully anymore. If one side can feed the sheep what they want and get them spun up into a frenzy, the sheep will follow that shepherd based on what they have been fed.

People don't want to know about things like secret detention centers in other countries. They embrace political correctness because standing up for something as right or wrong makes them feel uncomfortable. The fact that we are screening and pulling aside old ladies at airports instead of focusing on Arab/Muslim passengers is a fine example. The fact is that not every Muslim is a terrorist but every terrorists so far is Muslim, yet we are un-willing to offend anyone by profiling, even though it is the smartest thing to do and has been proven by El Al Airline to work. (They have got this down to a science.) Instead of making the hard choices or even the ones that make us feel uncomfortable, we just 'go with the flow'.

Sorry, I digress - back to politicians. Some people are so rabid party-1st that they make excuses for crimes, for improper behavior, and for all sorts of things because they have to defend their party or candidate no matter what. An actual Democrat I talked with said he agreed Clinton should be Impeached, not for the false testimony or witness tampering - which is the only legal grounds I ever agreed with - but for his Adultery in the White House. He said members of his own party - even some of his friends and family - argued that adultery in the White House was no grounds for Impeachment, but he said he disagreed.

He said EVEN if Clinton's Adultery was the only reason for his Impeachment then he was for it because it was wrong, it was inappropriate. he said that we should expect more professional, better, more ethical and moral behavior from our leaders! He asked me what would happen if I got caught having an adulterous affair in my office at work - the answer was I would be fired. He then asked why then should it be any different for the President of the United States? He said we have to stop treating these guys - our elected officials as if they are special, above the law, and like they can not be held accountable for their actions. He said he believed Clinton was a great President but that he believed that, if for nothing else, clinton needed to go because he was granted a status/level by others that we should never give to those who are supposed to represent US!

I agree with him that we should hold our officals accountable, that ethics, morality, professionalism, honesty, integrity are not copyrighted or solely one party's higher ground on which to claim status over the other - it is, instead a responsibility for all of us to uphold!

The 'sheep' do not hold such beliefs but rather continuing following the path, concerned only about their micro-cosm affecting only them, moving along with what they are fed without question. Then there are the ones my friend pointed out, who he compared to the NRA. He said just like the NRA (who argues how citizens/hunters should have the right to own mercry-tipped and explosive shells, etc) there are those party loyalists out there that believe they can not concede to the other party even 1 stance for fear of losing even more ground/face/etc. Even when they know what they are fighting for is stupid/wrong, they argue anyway so they don't have to admit they are wrong and lose face/votes! I guess thay are the 'Stubborn Mules' in my new modifies 'Sheep and Mules' Philosophy.

 

[MarineCorpsCandidate]

Today, terrorism is the biggest threat to the existance of mankind. Terrorism has the very real potential and ability to trigger the destruction of all of mankind. The election of this Muslim is seen as a victory of American ideas and a victory against people like Osama Bin Laden and other muslim extremists. This is where the real battle is being fought. This is where the victors and losers are decided upon in wars being fought. In the realm of ideas and in the minds of people. America has scored a victory here this time. Hopefully, America will continue scoring victories in the realm of ideas and in the mind, because that is what will be necessary for America to achieve victory. If America does not fight the ideological war or wage war in the minds of people, then, despite it's overwhelming military and economic power, America will be doomed to defeat in the end. Osama Bin Laden also knows this and I am hoping that America's leaders know this and take it to heart. For me, this is some good news that I have been waiting to hear for some time now.

 

[Navy Pride]

Its no coincidence this guy is a a Liberal Democrat..........I think he has little or no chance to get elected though........

 

[Morrow]

First I would like to respond to:
“1. True, not all Muslims are terrorists, but to date it seems all terrorists are Muslim (Extremists).”
Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh were not Muslims… and the Irish Republican Army, definitely not Muslim.

I’m going to be a sarcastic jerk now. I don’t want any Muslim to becoming a congressman. Why? Because I don’t want to have to hear about how it is great day for America when a Muslim man can be a Congressman. The focus is not that a competent man, or an accomplished man, or an intelligent has been elected. No the focus is some arbitrary facet of that persons background. I don’t want to see it on CNN.com “Muslim swears so help me Allah”. Which by the way, Allah just means god. Then I’ll undoubtedly have to hear on the news that America is truly a nation of clichés. They will say Land of Opportunity, American values, and so forth.

There will probably be a ceremony, with many red white and blue balloons. CBS will take a lot of footage showing someone wearing a had scarf near a flag. And he will be expected to give a speech, regardless of whether or not he wants to, about equality and liberty. He will do it, and talking about being Muslim, which actually just reinforces that this arbitrary box he can placed into is legitimate. Afterward he will go cut a cake that has a picture of the Capitol Building during the sunset painted on it, and it will be yellow cake of course.

The worst part is ultimately all this attention diminishes his power on the floor, because some people won’t be able to get past that boundary.

If he is the best man I hope he wins, but his religion is the worst thing to focus on.

 

[RightinNYC]

TO address the whole mess of points that didn't make sense in this post:

So I guess you just want to throw freedom of religion out of the window.

This has nothing to do with "freedom of religion" (which only applies to the government anyways). The OP opposes his election, for whatever reason, and as such is entitled to vote against him.

You cant really say that muslims should be banned from becoming congressmen.

Good, because nobody did.

Are Muslims not entitled to civil rights then?

This has nothing to do with "civil rights."

Does that not qualify as hate speach or does that not apply to muslims either?

It also has nothing to do with "hate speech."