faithful_servant
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You all remember this quote:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.
I seem to remember conservatives supporting this quote, especially when discussing gun rights. Now, I for one, disagree with Franklin's quote, but then again, my disagreement is universal. Seems to me that some of our conservative friends are being hypocritical.
Okay, that's refugees. Trump's travel ban applies to all citizens for all reasons. How many Clinton supporters support banning Canadians or Swiss citizens from vacationing in America because their parents were born in Iran?
How do you extreme vet tourists and businessmen? How long does the process take? What are the economic costs of doing so?
Given that any national or religion could be a terrorist/criminal, surely your national security must require a ban on all citizens in the world from entering the US.
Yes, perfect safety is an illusion.This is not entirely accurate, and a bit of a hollow victory to walk away with that conclusion.
It does turns out that "27% of Clinton supporters" think that the US "does not have a responsibility to accept refugees from Syria." But that is not really the point of the study.
The main point of that research is to illustrate that the US has allowed refugees into this nation all along, even though the amounts of those allowed in fluctuate based on "global events" (which of course determines who qualifies as refugee) and political dispositions of our government at the time. The biggest impact to the trend, over the study period, was post 9-11 thinking. When this nation by majority decided "safety at the expense of liberty" and we birthed today's flavor of anti-refugee sentiment that still exists today, created the bloated NSA and all that it implies, designed systematic removal of the 4th Amendment at the whim of political intentions, and in the end came up with the Patriot Act that turned out to be the largest power grab by the government over the populace in modern times. Also important to note, while the influx of Muslim refugees was on the incline before Trump's policies we were still accepting plenty of others from other religions as well. At the same time we have been allowing Muslim refugees into this nation both before and after 9-11 suggesting the politics of the situation is what people are clinging to instead of the facts the Pew Report is trying to present.
All that said, the stat that "54% of registered voters said the U.S. does not have a responsibility to accept refugees from Syria, while 41% said it does" means that 54% of the nation is looking to continued governance to "protect them" via the illusion of policy they think keeps them safe. Those are political leaning determinations, and that is with the harsh reality that we have little evidence we are more really more safe after Trump's policies. And speaking of Trump, all he represents is a shift to right leaning authoritarianism from Obama's brand of left wing authoritarianism.
In the end the conclusion is the same, the illusion of safety.
You all remember this quote:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.
I seem to remember conservatives supporting this quote, especially when discussing gun rights. Now, I for one, disagree with Franklin's quote, but then again, my disagreement is universal. Seems to me that some of our conservative friends are being hypocritical.
27% of Clinton supporters
When did 27% become 1 out of 3?
27% of Clinton supporters
When did 27% become 1 out of 3?
Oh hey tres, haven't seen you in a while. Lets go with 1 out of 4, since it was late when I made this thread. 16,500,000 Hillary Clinton supporters support Trump's ideas about refugees. Are you one of them?
I love it when people make stupid posts. Everyone with a functioning brain cell on this board knows I didn't support Hillary Clinton. I guess that explains why you didn't know that.
I love it when people make stupid posts. Everyone with a functioning brain cell on this board knows I didn't support Hillary Clinton. I guess that explains why you didn't know that.
I know, you chose Gary Johnson, because his complete lack of knowledge (where's Aleppo?) was a perfect match for yours. Plus, he's usually stoned by 12 pm. There's 2 common factors.
I like you. You're funny. Isn't it time for your Trump fan club meeting?
It turns out that 1/3 Clinton supporters support Trump :lamo
Don't be swayed by crocodile tears and vitriol. Donald Trump's views on refugees are supported by a majority of Americans.
Thousands of Japanese and German immigrants were interned for 4 years during our participation in WW2, by Franklin Roosevelt. A 90 day restriction is not going to break the US.
None, from what I see. Liberty, in my example, is more of a larger concept. From my observation, it is often conservatives who fight for liberty over safety and liberals who fight for safety over liberty. Yes, I understand that this is a huge generalization, but it often fits. However, in this case, the roles seem to be reversed.
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