Americans blame Trump and GOP for Shutdown

[Greenbeard]

The House passed a bill that Trump has agreed to sign. It is sitting in the senate because Schumer and the dems are filibustering it. What McConnell should do is bring that House bill up for a vote in the Senate and let dems vote it down.

The 115th Congress is over.

 

[Fletch]

Passage of legislation is the definition of agreement. The Senate agreed to the Dems’ approach.

But the president didnt. So its back to the drawing board for congress. In the US, in order for such a bill to become law, House, Senate and POTUS must agree. Right now we have two different options: a bill that the House and Senate agreed on but the president does not. And a bill that the House and president agreed upon but Schumer is filibustering. If you are so concerned about the government workers, tell Schumer to drop the filibuster. Problem solved.

 

[Fletch]

The 115th Congress is over.

So???

 

[Greenbeard]

But the president didnt. So its back to the drawing board for congress. In the US, in order for such a bill to become law, House, Senate and POTUS must agree. Right now we have two different options: a bill that the House and Senate agreed on but the president does not. And a bill that the House and president agreed upon but Schumer is filibustering. If you are so concerned about the government workers, tell Schumer to drop the filibuster. Problem solved.

Vetoes can be overridden.

 

[Captain Adverse]

A majority of the Senate already voted for it just a few weeks ago.

And now they have not voted for the new House sponsored CR. What's your point?

Trump is the leader of the Republican Party. He has made his position clear.

The Democrats made their position clear too, NO money for the Wall under ANY circumstances.

Why should either Trump or the Republican's agree to the CR when the Democrats have made it perfectly clear that if they "kick the can down the road" nothing will change?

 

[Greenbeard]

So???

So no bills from the 115th Congress are “sitting in the Senate.”

 

[Greenbeard]

And now they have not voted for the new House sponsored CR. What's your point?

That the House’s bill should be brought to a vote in the Senate. We already know it has the votes for passage (bigly) because, again, we’ve already done that exercise. The GOP leadership is playing games and manufacturing a crisis.

 

[jnug]

But the president didnt. So its back to the drawing board for congress. In the US, in order for such a bill to become law, House, Senate and POTUS must agree. Right now we have two different options: a bill that the House and Senate agreed on but the president does not. And a bill that the House and president agreed upon but Schumer is filibustering. If you are so concerned about the government workers, tell Schumer to drop the filibuster. Problem solved.

Trump won't sign, but a Bill that McConnell brought to the floor if passed would come back assuming a Trump veto which the Congress could override. This effort by Trump is pure coercion supported by McConnell's mutation of the process.

Its not McConnell's job to prevent a Bill to come to the floor of Senate based on his notion of what Trump would or would not sign. He already got burned trying to make that call. McConnell should bring a Bill passed by the House to the floor for a vote. If it passes it goes to Trump. If he vetos it comes back to the Congress to see if Trump's veto can be overturned. That is the process.

What a surprise. Trumpets support coercion as if it represents an actual process of governance. When Donald becomes King instead of President let us know. Anybody with a brain can tell you that Trumpets are unAmerican. Heck Donald is unAmerican.

As has already been pointed out...your entire argument died with the end of the 115th Congress. Welcome to the 116th. You are not likely to enjoy the experience.

 

[Captain Adverse]

That the House’s bill should be brought to a vote in the Senate. We already know it has the votes for passage (bigly) because, again, we’ve already done that exercise. The GOP leadership is playing games and manufacturing a crisis.

Again you only respond to what you want.

You ignore the rest because you don't think it matters...despite the fact the Democrats did the same thing in the Senate when they refused a CR with wall funding, AND the fact they have made it clear that under NO circumstance will they fund the wall.

If the Senate approved this new House measure, then we would likely see CR's used right up until the 2020 election.

 

[Fletch]

Trump won't sign, but a Bill that McConnell brought to the floor if passed would come back assuming a Trump veto which the Congress could override. This effort by Trump is pure coercion supported by McConnell's mutation of the process.

Its not McConnell's job to prevent a Bill to come to the floor of Senate based on his notion of what Trump would or would not sign. He already got burned trying to make that call. McConnell should bring a Bill passed by the House to the floor for a vote. If it passes it goes to Trump. If he vetos it comes back to the Congress to see if Trump's veto can be overturned. That is the process.

What a surprise. Trumpets support coercion as if it represents an actual process of governance. When Donald becomes King instead of President let us know. Anybody with a brain can tell you that Trumpets are unAmerican. Heck Donald is unAmerican.

Why would McConnel bring to a vote a bill that the president has said he wont sign.?? Do you honestly think a democrate senate majority leader would do that to a sitting democrat president? You guys kee4p making these dumb arguments. The answer here is compromise and you know it. But you are unwilling to compromise which is why the government is shut and will stay that way until you are ready to do whats right for the country and the government employees you are using as pawns.

 

[jnug]

And now they have not voted for the new House sponsored CR. What's your point?

Trump is the leader of the Republican Party. He has made his position clear.

The Democrats made their position clear too, NO money for the Wall under ANY circumstances.

Why should either Trump or the Republican's agree to the CR when the Democrats have made it perfectly clear that if they "kick the can down the road" nothing will change?

The hole in that argument is that it is based on Dem unwilling to vote funding for border security. Democrats are willing to pass border security, just not a wall. Until Trump gives up this notion that the figment of his imagination, his wall equals border security, nothing is going anywhere. Trump of late is supporting his imaginary wall with even more laughably absurd rhetoric.

As for what the Senate has not voted for, all that died with the 115th Congress. Welcome to the 116th.

 

[Greenbeard]

Again you only respond to what you want.

You asked what my point is because apparently I’m not being explicit enough.

The Pelosi-led House has passed legislation to reopen the government. That legislation has the votes to clear the Senate, easily.

The continuation of this crisis is entirely on Trump and McConnell.

 

[jnug]

Why would McConnel bring to a vote a bill that the president has said he wont sign.?? Do you honestly think a democrate senate majority leader would do that to a sitting democrat president? You guys kee4p making these dumb arguments. The answer here is compromise and you know it. But you are unwilling to compromise which is why the government is shut and will stay that way until you are ready to do whats right for the country and the government employees you are using as pawns.

Simple..because it is not McConnell's job to divine what the President will or will not sign. He has already been burned once doing that now hasn't he.

 

[Captain Adverse]

The hole in that argument is that it is based on Dem unwilling to vote funding for border security. Democrats are willing to pass border security, just not a wall. Until Trump gives up this notion that the figment of his imagination, his wall equals border security, nothing is going anywhere. Trump of late is supporting his imaginary wall with even more laughably absurd rhetoric.

There is no "hole" in my argument. IMO they do not have enough votes currently to override a veto. That will not occur at this time, and will not IMO until enough Republican's decide to undermine their own re-election by voting to do so.

As for what the Senate has not voted for, all that died with the 115th Congress. Welcome to the 116th.

EXACTLY. Greenbeard pointed out what happened during the 115th Congress. It is NOT currently happening in the 116th. :coffeepap:

 

[marke]

The people not budging are McConnell who refuses to bring a vote to the floor and his boss Trump who told him not to. Most people are smart enough to see that.

Democrats despise republican leaders in Congress, and they despise the U.S. President elected by tens of millions of voters they also despise. I do not see America improving going forward if all Americans must adopt such hateful democrat policies and values.

 

[Captain Adverse]

You asked what my point is because apparently I’m not being explicit enough.

The Pelosi-led House has passed legislation to reopen the government. That legislation has the votes to clear the Senate, easily.

The continuation of this crisis is entirely on Trump and McConnell.

Nope, all the "Pelosi-led House" has to do is pass a spending bill allocating requested funds for the Wall. Then the Schumer Minority-led Senators can vote to pass that bill in the Senate.

VIOLA! Everyone back to work, shutdown over.

See how your argument works both ways? :coffeepap:

 

[Fletch]

Simple..because it is not McConnell's job to divine what the President will or will not sign. He has already been burned once doing that now hasn't he.

Nonsense. The democrat position on this is stupid and hyperpartisan and ultimately will fail as Americans come to see their position for what it is. Refusing to compromise on a couple billion dollars is childish and moronic. Hyperpartisan Trump haters dont make up the majority of the public, so what appeals to you wont appeal to the rational member of society that want government to function.

 

[marke]

I watch very little TV, but even I, through the magic of internet streaming, saw trump tell Senator Schumer that: "I will take the mantel, I will be proud to shut it down, I will be proud to take ownership of the shutdown". Those I's are Donald Jane Trump speaking … or you can view them as Roman Numerals if you want, as in "Individual I", AKA Donald Jane Trump. Same, Same! Both sides of the equation resolve to little hands djt.

You're right It's NO MYSTERY djt OWNS the shutdown.<--PERIOD!!!!:2wave:

Trump will take the whole blame since democrat dinosaurs will not admit any of their own blame in the ongoing shutdown. I admire Trump for that courage of exceptional leadership.

 

[jnug]

There is no "hole" in my argument. IMO they do not have enough votes currently to override a veto. That will not occur at this time, and will not IMO until enough Republican's decide to undermine their own re-election by voting to do so.



EXACTLY. Greenbeard pointed out what happened during the 115th Congress. It is NOT currently happening in the 116th. :coffeepap:

So that sort of mutes the significance of anything that occurred in the 115th Congress as it relates to the shutdown now doesn't it. That being the case, you might want to review most of your argument in this thread.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

What if McConnell has concluded that Trump himself is a nightmare going forward for the GOP? Would not be a senseless conclusion and might explain his present silence.

Maybe.

But if the Senate passes a House bill without Trump's money in it, then Trump vetoes it and that veto is overridden by the Republicans in the Senate? All hell would break loose in the GOP. It's a small possibility that the Populists/Nationalists in the Republican party would break away from the GOP in 2020 and run their own candidate.

Again only a small chance of that happening, but we can be very sure some Republican adviser whispered that into Mitch's ear. Telling Mitch to walk lightly on this issue. It's NO secrete the far right Nationalists, with the help of the Conservative media who's pushing the Nationalist message is running the GOP these last few years.

My God there was a deal a month or so ago, then Trump turned on TV, watched Fox yell at him about compromising and making a deal, then POOF the deal was gone.

 

[JackA]

Maybe.

But if the Senate passes a House bill without Trump's money in it, then Trump vetoes it and that veto is overridden by the Republicans in the Senate? All hell would break loose in the GOP.

All hell has already broken loose. We are living in it.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Trump will take the whole blame since democrat dinosaurs will not admit any of their own blame in the ongoing shutdown. I admire Trump for that courage of exceptional leadership.

Your machine is suck on the spin cycle. :2rofll:

 

[Irwin Corey]

CITATION PLEASE.

To my knowledge no appropriations bill was passed "unanimously" or not by the Senate a few weeks ago. If so it would have required a Presidential veto to fail.

Please cite the report of such an appropriations bill "passing unanimously in the Senate a few weeks ago" that Trump vetoed.

The lame-duck Republican controlled House did pass a bill with 5.7 Billion allocated as Trump requested, but the Democrats refused to vote on it in the Senate, and absent cloture which required 60 votes, it failed in the Senate.

Whoops! The "Senate" did pass the bill. Then Ryan torpedoed it. But, the Senate DID pass one.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/senate-passes-stopgap-resolution-avoid-government-shutdown-n949671

You cons are stuck on the "spin" cycle this A.M.

 

[Irwin Corey]

All hell has already broken loose. We are living in it.

"Do we have a NEW crisis or is this the same one we've been living with since Nov. 2016?" - Stephen Cobert

 

[Cardinal]

Oh look, people lay the blame based on ideology. Who knew? :roll:

Why shouldn't people lay blame with the guy who proudly shouldered the blame?