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Americans are deadly to capitalists!

Not if it means massive government subsidies...not for a second.

why not??? Welfare for individuals to catch them in the safety net is very Christian, especially if it helps them get on their feet. Since it more likely cripples them than helps them get on their feet why not divert the money to people who really are trying to get on their feet?? What better use of govt could there be ?
 
If you really want capitalism with minimal or no regulation, go to China, or even better, almost any third-world democracy. Then you can find out what it's like with capitalism truly unbound.

wait... did you just say China has unregulated capitalism?

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sorry champ, it's simply not true... like most everything you say
 
If you really want capitalism with minimal or no regulation, go to China,

actually if you go to China you see that with capitalism they instantly eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty and prevented another 60 million from slowly starving to death. Do you understand?? You have learned this 6 times now!!
 
Then you can find out what it's like with capitalism truly unbound.

Republicans don't want capitalism that is "truly unbound" or "crony capitalism" or "fascist capitalism" or "anarcho capitalism". They want capitalism. Do you understand? If not please ask questions and I will explain.
 
wait... did you just say China has unregulated capitalism?

:lamo :lamo

sorry champ, it's simply not true... like most everything you say

It's not totally unregulated, but it's certainly less-regulated than America's.

Weak environmental regulation

Weak food safety regulation


Weak unionization protection and collective bargaining rules



Weak intellectual property enforcement and an inadequate legal framework are key reasons early foreign brands opened as company-owned stores or JVs, instead of franchises, in China.


I lived in the Philippines for a while, still have a house and a LOT of family there...and if you really want to see a place with little or no regulation, that's a great place to start. For instance, ask yourself what would happen here in America if you were an experienced arc-welder, and your boss (who was a licensed contractor) told you to show up to work and provided zero - and I mean ZERO - safety equipment for you? And you couldn't afford any of your own? And if you didn't get to work arc-welding with zero safety equipment, then you would be fired? What would happen if the local news got hold of that here in America? I think you know. But over there in the PI, it's business as usual.

But instead, I see this guy arc-welding some window bars for us - tank top, shorts, and flip-flops - no gloves, no welding goggles, no face mask, no leather jerkin, no boots...no nothing! By sheer luck, I just happened to have brought the safety equipment (except for the boots) with me for my brother-in-law who's also a welder, so I offered these to the guy...and he only took the goggles...but not even the gloves.

That's deregulated capitalism for you - and it's rampant over there. China's certainly more regulated than the PI or the other SE Asia nations, but is still nowhere near as regulated as America's businesses are.
 
Republicans don't want capitalism that is "truly unbound" or "crony capitalism" or "fascist capitalism" or "anarcho capitalism". They want capitalism. Do you understand? If not please ask questions and I will explain.

When you understand what happens when capitalism is completely deregulated, come back and let me know.
 
actually if you go to China you see that with capitalism they instantly eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty and prevented another 60 million from slowly starving to death. Do you understand?? You have learned this 6 times now!!

You see what you see on a computer screen...but have you gone there? Have you seen first-hand what it's like to live - not visit, but LIVE - in a third-world nation?

FYI, what you see on the screen is NOTHING like the reality.
 
You see what you see on a computer screen...but have you gone there? Have you seen first-hand what it's like to live - not visit, but LIVE - in a third-world nation?
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dear, they have instantly eliminated 40% of the entire worlds poverty thanks to Republican capitalism. Under libsocialism 60 million slowly starved to death, today, none do. In fact, they now buy more cars and movie tickets than we do. If you have eyes when you go there you see 12 new gleaming ultra modern cities each bigger than NYC filled with folks getting rich at a 6.7% growth rate per year!!. 1+1=2
 
Yes, there are about 10,000 companies [and about 100,000 accompanying personal tragedies] that go bankrupt every month in the holocaust of capitalism merely because they can't satisfy the often trivial whims of fickle and deadly consumers. Indeed, Americans are brutal and deadly to capitalists. If you doubt it try investing your life savings, try going into business to face the long odds against survival that every capitalist faces.

So, all national interests should be set aside in the name of capitalism.
Including national security?
Are you drunk?
 
When you understand what happens when capitalism is completely deregulated, come back and let me know.

Republicans don't want capitalism that is "truly unbound" or "crony capitalism" or "fascist capitalism" or "anarcho capitalism" or "completely unregulated". They want capitalism. Do you understand? If not please ask questions and I will explain.
 
Republicans don't want capitalism that is "truly unbound" or "crony capitalism" or "fascist capitalism" or "anarcho capitalism" or "completely unregulated". They want capitalism. Do you understand? If not please ask questions and I will explain.

Absolutism is a logical fallacy.
 
dear, they have instantly eliminated 40% of the entire worlds poverty thanks to Republican capitalism. Under libsocialism 60 million slowly starved to death, today, none do. In fact, they now buy more cars and movie tickets than we do.

Guy, if one quarter of their population buys tickets, that's more than our whole population. That's not exactly a good talking point on your behalf.

If you have eyes when you go there you see 12 new gleaming ultra modern cities each bigger than NYC filled with folks getting rich at a 6.7% growth rate per year!!. 1+1=2

And what you would know if you'd ever gone to such places is that once you get away from those gleaming towers, maybe half a klick, maybe five klicks, in almost any direction...welcome back to the slums.

That's what I saw.

Don't get me wrong - China's made incredible progress - Shanghai built more skyscrapers in 20 years than NYC did in its entire history. Their accomplishments are worthy of admiration. But there's prices that are paid for those accomplishments - prices we haven't been willing to pay over here. For instance, here the government does have "eminent domain"...but the homeowner can put up a heck of a fight and often wins. Over there...the homeowner would get laughed at.

That's why I've told you (more than once, IIRC) that it would do you a world of good to get away from the photon-filled screen and actually go to such places...for you'd learn that what you see on the screen is a poor substitute indeed for actually spending a little time there.
 
wait... did you just say China has unregulated capitalism?

:lamo :lamo

sorry champ, it's simply not true... like most everything you say

:shrug: They're State Capitalists. :shrug: Like the USSR before them. :shrug: They're Capitalists.
 
What part of 'absolutism is a logical fallacy' do you seriously not get?
did not get any of it as it relates to topic. Why so afraid to explain what you meant?
 
:shrug: They're State Capitalists. :shrug: Like the USSR before them

the USSR was capitalist? Remember they sold off major industries to oligarchs? When state owns major industries it is lib commie , not capitalist. Do you understand?
 
Guy, if one quarter of their population buys tickets, that's more than our whole population. That's not exactly a good talking point on your behalf.
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when you can spend money on luxury items like movie tickets and autos that means you have come a long way from days of en masse libcommmie slow starvation. Making sense now?
 
did not get any of it as it relates to topic. Why so afraid to explain what you meant?

I meant what I said. Period.

the USSR was capitalist? Remember they sold off major industries to oligarchs? When state owns major industries it is lib commie , not capitalist. Do you understand?

You obviously do not realize that State Capitalism is a form of Capitalism.

You've got some research to do.
 
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And what you would know if you'd ever gone to such places is that once you get away from those gleaming towers, maybe half a klick, maybe five klicks, in almost any direction...welcome back to the slums.

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so what?????? we have slums too. It has nothing whatsoever to do with our subject which is that after the switch to Republican capitalism China instantly eliminated 40 % of all the poverty on earth!! If our libcommies had had their way another 60 million would have slowly starved to death. Republicans are the source of civilization on earth. Without them civilization on earth would be lost in 10 years.
 
so what?????? we have slums too. It has nothing whatsoever to do with our subject which is that after the switch to Republican capitalism China instantly eliminated 40 % of all the poverty on earth!! If our libcommies had had their way another 60 million would have slowly starved to death. Republicans are the source of civilization on earth. Without them civilization on earth would be lost in 10 years.

Dude. If poverty in America is all you've seen, then you haven't seen poverty. I have, and it's often heartbreaking.

And FYI, when China says they "eliminated" so much poverty, it would do you good to see what they call 'poverty'...because the threshold of what they call poverty is a lot lower than our own. In China, anyone who makes over $360 PER YEAR is considered "out of poverty". That's from "Beijing Review", China's national English news weekly magazine.

Here in America, a heck of a lot of the 'poor' have not just refrigerators and heaters and running water and working toilets - a lot of them also have cell phones, computers, and/or a gaming console - and internet access. Oh yeah, and television with cable access, too. AND a car - and often more than one car.

YES, a lot of our poor don't have all that - but a heck of a lot of them DO. I don't think one could say the same thing of those in China even if they're making over five times the poverty rate of $360 per YEAR.

Okay? Next time, guy, get a clue that maybe you aren't getting the whole story, that it would be wiser to consider that maybe, just maybe those horrible terrible liberals just might not be wrong about everything.
 
And FYI, when China says they "eliminated" so much poverty,.

China does not say it!! The World Bank and IMF say it and the United Nations agrees. When China switched to Republican capitalism they
instantly eliminated 40% of the planets poverty!! This is the greatest economic miracle in all of human history!!
 
See the other reply, and then get back to me.

If you have eyes when you go to China you see 12 new gleaming ultra modern cities each bigger than NYC filled with folks getting rich at a 6.7% growth rate per year!!. 1+1=2. Indeed the IMF and World bank have verified that when China switched to Republican capitalism they instantly eliminated 40% of all the poverty on earth in the greatest economic miracle of all time.
 
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