American Moral Supremacy

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Do you know wich Korea is communist and wich one isnt? You remind me of Bush....always confused.

I mispoke, you know what I meant.

The communists....claimed they were communists this in turn played people agains eachother how? Wasnt the U.S. the country who sold weapons to Iraq....when it was fighting Iran...and at the same time sold Iraq more weapons?

No that is a flat out lie the U.S. supplied .5% of foriegn arms to Iraq during their war with Iran the majority of Iraqi weapons came from France and Russia. See this is what happens when you get all of your information from Michael Moore and moveon.org. You're either ignorant or you are intentionally planting misinformation like the rest of you communist brethren. As for playing people off of one another the basic essence of Communism is class warfare and divide and conquer tactics. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

OK.....I love how you confuse neocolonialism with democracy. Democracy my friend is not forcing people to use YOUR economic system. Democracy is not backing who you think is right(and under any means necessary make sure he/she is elected) and not who the people of those countries think is right. Democracy is when you have more then 2 parties to chose from(because in case you havent noticed not everyone agrees with the left and right). LOL isnt that the american response to the cold war "the communists did it too". If you knew anything about communism other then what you have read by most likely american authors....NOBODY reached communism because it's an idea that needs greed to disappear for it to work.

Yes yes and I take it that yours is the real Communism correct? Communism needs a slave population of sheep and a totalitarian dictatorship for it to work that's why all Communist nations have turned brutal dictatorships not because of the nature of man but because of the very nature of the ideology itself. Latin America is now free, Democratic, and prosperous so sell your "neo-colonialism" propoganda bullshit somewhere else.

CHINA IS A DEMOCRACY! ....WAIT.....No it's not.

I never said that it was but it is progressing since it has adopted Capitalism.

LoL You and your "boys"(more like 50 year old guys that are about as blind as Stevie Wonder) talk alot of trash for such intelligent individuals....Ummmm I DONT LIVE in the U.S. I live in Canada.You know that country where people dont get put into jails for an X number of years without being charged with any crimes...you know that country where you're INNOCENT until proven otherwise... Read my posts I never once said I hated America. I just dont agree with it's policies. Litsen.....since you havent figured out that Stalin and Mao are long dead(meaning their regimes no longer exist)...I'll let you get back to fixing you hillbilly wagon.

Stalin and Mao were examples as to the nature of socialism. You just make things up as you go along don't you? Every U.S. citizen has the right to Habeaus Corpus that is why Zakarias Mousawi is having his trial as we speak, however, it is unlawful combatants captured on the battlefield that don't have any rights. How does it feel to live in a second rate country with stagnated economic growth, and 16% of its population living below the poverty line? And as for those freedoms you enjoy in all sincerity I feel that you should awake everymorning and thank god for the protection you recieve under U.S. economic and military hegemony.

Note : I consider myself to be someone with more then one perspective on things because I've lived in different countries. To name a few Cuba, Japan, England, Algeria, Italy, St. Maarten, United States of America, Thailand(I dont really consider it as living there since I was there for about half a year the others are one year or more) and finally Canada(My mom has a clothing business so I get to live in a bunch of different places). When you've lived in such different countries you kinda get a different perspective on things. You collect information. When you live in the States and think you're a different person cause you've made a trip to Tiujuana for weed or stumbled into a Moose on your way to Northen Quebec....it's not really a more open view it's just an American who think's he's been englightened.

Wow you've lived in other countries well kuddoes to you it has absolutely nothing to do with anything. You are a supporter of the tyrannical communist regime in Cuba and that murdering son of a bitch Castro, nuff said.

 

[Davo]

I mispoke, you know what I meant.

No I dont. You just didnt know wich Korea was communist.

No that is a flat out lie the U.S. supplied .5% of foriegn arms to Iraq during their war with Iran the majority of Iraqi weapons came from France and Russia. See this is what happens when you get all of your information from Michael Moore and moveon.org. You're either ignorant or you are intentionally planting misinformation like the rest of you communist brethren. As for playing people off of one another the basic essence of Communism is class warfare and divide and conquer tactics. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

So....you supplied weapons....to a guy....you later took out of power? How does the U.S. work....do you guys make it up as you go along? or....is it like..."let's....give them guns....then go fight them"...

We tend to forget that the Reagan-Bush administration maintained cordial relations with Hussein in the'80s, promoting Iraq's eight-year war against Iran. Twenty-four U.S. firms exported arms and materials to Baghdad. France also sent Hussein 200 AMX medium tanks, Mirage bombers and Gazelle helicopter gunships. As Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Armitage testified in 1987: "We cannot stand to see Iraq defeated." The CIA, State Department, the central military command directing Middle East operations, were well aware of Iraq's biological weapons efforts. Nevertheless, Iraq's applications were seldom denied.

http://www.fatdawg.com/who1.html

USA Today...

U.S. sells the most weapons to others
WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States is the largest supplier of weapons to developing nations, delivering more than $9.6 billion in arms to Near East and Asian countries last year.
The U.S. sales to the developing countries helped boost worldwide weapons sales to the highest level since 2000, a congressional study says.

The total worldwide value of all agreements to sell arms last year was close to $37 billion, and nearly 59% of the agreements were to sell weapons to developing nations, according to the Congressional Research Service report.

The weapons being sold range from ammunition to tanks, combat aircraft, missiles and submarines.

As economic pressures led to a worldwide decline in weapons orders — from about $42 billion in 2000 to $37 billion last year — competition is forcing the U.S. and European countries to forge agreements to develop weapons jointly.

The CRS report released Monday said worldwide arms deliveries to developing nations rose from $20.8 billion in 2003, to $22.5 billion last year. Agreements to sell weapons, meanwhile, shot up from $15.1 billion to nearly $21.8 billion last year. China, Egypt and India were the heaviest buyers of the weapons.

Last year, for example, the U.S. completed agreements to sell helicopters and other weapons to Egypt, radar systems to Taiwan, helicopters to Brazil and Israel and other weapons systems to Oman and Pakistan.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack explained the transfers as "a very serious national security and a foreign policy matter" carried out under "a very rigorous set of rules and regulations and laws."

"And just as we exercise restraint in our own transfers, we encourage restraint by other countries," including the European Union, which McCormack said should reconsider its decision to resume arms shipments to China.

Developing countries are the weapons' primary buyers. And the U.S. has been the most active seller for the past eight years, resulting mainly from agreements made in the aftermath of the first Gulf War. The U.S. was responsible for more than 42% of the deliveries to developing nations in 2004.

Russia, which ranks second, sells mostly to China and India, as well as a number of smaller, poorer countries.

The CRS study, which is done each year, was written by national defense specialist Richard Grimmett. He said in the study that developed nations have tried in recent years to emphasize joint projects rather than simply buying the weapons from each other, so they can preserve their own industrial bases.

Yes yes and I take it that yours is the real Communism correct? Communism needs a slave population of sheep and a totalitarian dictatorship for it to work that's why all Communist nations have turned brutal dictatorships not because of the nature of man but because of the very nature of the ideology itself. Latin America is now free, Democratic, and prosperous so sell your "neo-colonialism" propoganda bullshit somewhere else.

Have you ever lived in South America? LOL....go to Colombia and badmouth any major politician see what happens. All the freedom you so eloquently speak of will disappear along with the democracy. LATIN AMERICA IS PROSPEROUS? WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Latin America is less of a stain on the world's conscience. Yet it has another trait: a hugely unequal distribution of income and wealth. A disproportionately large number of Latin Americans are poor—some 222m or 43% of the total population, of whom 96m (or 18.6% of the total) live in extreme poverty, according to the UN. Behind those figures lie not just human suffering but also an unfairness that is inimical to democracy—making many question its value.

222 MILLION PEOPLE IN POVERTY IS PROSPEROUS? 96 Million living in extreme poverty is prosperous? Thats 1/3rd of your population....Think before you speak like Bush.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4401628

I never said that it was but it is progressing since it has adopted Capitalism.

No it hasnt. Cause next Election...it'll still be the communist party of china running China

Stalin and Mao were examples as to the nature of socialism. You just make things up as you go along don't you? Every U.S. citizen has the right to Habeaus Corpus that is why Zakarias Mousawi is having his trial as we speak, however, it is unlawful combatants captured on the battlefield that don't have any rights. How does it feel to live in a second rate country with stagnated economic growth, and 16% of its population living below the poverty line? And as for those freedoms you enjoy in all sincerity I feel that you should awake everymorning and thank god for the protection you recieve under U.S. economic and military hegemony.

No Maoism, Stalinism and Socialism have nothing to do with eachother. So please refrain from saying so. Zakarias Mousawi isnt having a trial, it's more like a Punked episode where he thinks he's not going to get executed but he really is. Cause even if the slim chance that he gets life in prison happens to appear, the U.S. will reapeal his case 1,000,000 and 1 times until he's put to death.

Fast Facts on Poverty in America

In 2004, the poverty rate rose for only one group—non-Hispanic whites.

There was no noticeable change for blacks and Hispanics.

The South continues to have the highest poverty rate.

Rural areas experience greater poverty than urban.

Most of the poor who are of working age in America are employed. The
primary problem is not lack of jobs but low wages.

The percentage of Americans in poverty is now 12.7 percent. The total—37 million—is greater than the population of Canada. Learn more about what it means to live at the poverty level.

An infant born in Beijing has a better chance of survival than one born in Washington D.C. The infant mortality rate in China’s capital is 4.6 per thousand lives births, compared with 11.5 in Washington, D.C.

An alarming 17.8 percent of children under age 18 are in poverty--13 million children.

37 Million People in poverty....Canada has....30 Million people....that 37 million could never afford to pay for medecines....yet....the Canadian 3.5 Million can....what does that say about your goverment...

Wow you've lived in other countries well kuddoes to you it has absolutely nothing to do with anything. You are a supporter of the tyrannical communist regime in Cuba and that murdering son of a bitch Castro, nuff said

LOL I love you assumptions...."He doesnt agree with us and sees what good the people who we think are bad guys have done". - Feel good as I bathe in your ignorance. And I said that because one of your friends said "get out of my country" or..."our country". So yes it does have to do with something. You havent lived outside of that box you called a country in your life. So please refrain from making educated remarks after reading what you get off google or U.S. news sources.

 

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No I dont. You just didnt know wich Korea was communist.

So now you're telling me what I think now? I meant South Korea I'm a political science major buddy I think I know which half of North Korea above the 38th parralell is led by Kim Jon Il previously led by Kim Il Sung.

So....you supplied weapons....to a guy....you later took out of power? How does the U.S. work....do you guys make it up as you go along? or....is it like..."let's....give them guns....then go fight them"...

No we supplied .5% of all foriegn weapons which is approximately the same amount of weapons aid that we gave to Iran during Iran-Contra. It's called pragmatism and it's what American foriegn policy is based on. We didn't give Saddam anything of note as you would claim, if you really want to look into who really supplied the tyrant Saddam with weapons I suggest you look into France and Russia. Why do you think the Iraqis carry Ak's and not M-16's, fly MIG's and not F-16's, drive T-32's and M-1 A-1's, again you are either ignorant or you are intentionally providing misinformation.

Have you ever lived in South America? LOL....go to Colombia and badmouth any major politician see what happens. All the freedom you so eloquently speak of will disappear along with the democracy. LATIN AMERICA IS PROSPEROUS? WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Columbia is more free now than if it had been taken over by the Medalin cartel or the Communists and it is more free than the Socialist tyrant led countries of Cuba and Venezuela.

222 MILLION PEOPLE IN POVERTY IS PROSPEROUS? 96 Million living in extreme poverty is prosperous? Thats 1/3rd of your population....Think before you speak like Bush.

And that's a total lie 16% of your population in Canada lives below the poverty line, and only 12% of our population is below the poverty line.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

No it hasnt. Cause next Election...it'll still be the communist party of china running China

Yes but they are better off now than before the introduction of Capitalism much better off.

No Maoism, Stalinism and Socialism have nothing to do with eachother.

Except of course that they're all of the same ideological lineage with their tennants all based on the teachings of Marx and Engles through such works as the Communist manifesto, again your ignorance is showing.

Zakarias Mousawi isnt having a trial, it's more like a Punked episode where he thinks he's not going to get executed but he really is. Cause even if the slim chance that he gets life in prison happens to appear, the U.S. will reapeal his case 1,000,000 and 1 times until he's put to death.

Again your misinformation tactics are laugable, Mousawi was granted due process and a fair trial but he confessed to his involvement with 9-11 on the witness stand, and the state can not appeal a case only the accused can make appeals it's called double jeopardy buddy. Again you are completely ignorant about what you're talking about and it's really quite laughable.

37 Million People in poverty....Canada has....30 Million people....that 37 million could never afford to pay for medecines....yet....the Canadian 3.5 Million can....what does that say about your goverment...

It says that you have a smaller population, and let's discuss how your people wait months to recieve inadequate treatment, socialized medicine is a total farce. It reduces the medical profession to the lowest common denominator just like any other socialist program. Don't you think it's funny that you are espousing liberal policies yet it is your Conservative party which won your last elections taking control over your parliament and establishing a Conservative prime ministership? Socialism is a failure and it has failed in every single nation which it has been tried and for those countries that have established socialist states without a mix of Capitalism, they have all devolved into totalitarian dictatorships. Did you know that even fascism is a form of socialism?

LOL I love you assumptions...."He doesnt agree with us and sees what good the people who we think are bad guys have done". - Feel good as I bathe in your ignorance. And I said that because one of your friends said "get out of my country" or..."our country". So yes it does have to do with something. You havent lived outside of that box you called a country in your life. So please refrain from making educated remarks after reading what you get off google or U.S. news sources.

All you do is quote off moveon.org and quote revisionist history as if it is gosple and I'm the one who's ignorant? Did you know the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?

 

[Davo]

So now you're telling me what I think now? I meant South Korea I'm a political science major buddy I think I know which half of North Korea above the 38th parralell is led by Kim Jon Il previously led by Kim Il Sung.

For someone who studies it you get really confused about wich side is wich.
You know WICH HALF OF NORTH KOREA?...Ok litsen let me give you a quick lesson cause I think you skipped a chapter in your history book....NORTH KOREA ITSELF isnt devide in 2....KOREA(as in SOUTH AND NORTH) is devided in 2. So yeah ok.

No we supplied .5% of all foriegn weapons which is approximately the same amount of weapons aid that we gave to Iran during Iran-Contra. It's called pragmatism and it's what American foriegn policy is based on. We didn't give Saddam anything of note as you would claim, if you really want to look into who really supplied the tyrant Saddam with weapons I suggest you look into France and Russia. Why do you think the Iraqis carry Ak's and not M-16's, fly MIG's and not F-16's, drive T-32's and M-1 A-1's, again you are either ignorant or you are intentionally providing misinformation.

Cause AK's are cheaper on any market(100 million in circulation says it all) And M-16's are not(8 Million in circulation says it all). Cause an F-16 costs..

Unit cost:
F-16A/B: 1998USD 14.6 million
F-16C/D: 1998USD 18.8 million
late models: 1998USD 26.9 million

You're funny...dont you notice...the poorer you are...the more you rely on cheap weapons....

Columbia is more free now than if it had been taken over by the Medalin cartel or the Communists and it is more free than the Socialist tyrant led countries of Cuba and Venezuela.

On and on with the communists. Litsen....All I ask you to do...is say "I dont like Fidel " In Cuba...then say " I dont like Alvaro" in Colombia. Then count the seconds before some guy gets mad you said that and blasts you away.

And that's a total lie 16% of your population in Canada lives below the poverty line, and only 12% of our population is below the poverty line.

LATIN AMERICA IS PROSPEROUS? WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Latin America is less of a stain on the world's conscience. Yet it has another trait: a hugely unequal distribution of income and wealth. A disproportionately large number of Latin Americans are poor—some 222m or 43% of the total population, of whom 96m (or 18.6% of the total) live in extreme poverty, according to the UN. Behind those figures lie not just human suffering but also an unfairness that is inimical to democracy—making many question its value.

222 MILLION PEOPLE IN POVERTY IS PROSPEROUS? 96 Million living in extreme poverty is prosperous? Thats 1/3rd of your population....Think before you speak like Bush.

Thats all for South America. Did you even follow the link.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

OK....see thats what happens when you dont follow a link you develop dumb ideas.

Yes but they are better off now than before the introduction of Capitalism much better off.

LOL...I love how you think Capitalism is really whats best for the world...let's make the gap between the rich and poor wider shall we?

Except of course that they're all of the same ideological lineage with their tennants all based on the teachings of Marx and Engles through such works as the Communist manifesto, again your ignorance is showing.

Here's the funny thing....with the idea of Socialism....there are different interpretations...much like religion....you can have a 1000 different schools.

You telling me MAOISM SOCIALISM AND STALINISM are the same thing is like me telling you that JEWS MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS are all the same. A very stupid remark.

Again your misinformation tactics are laugable, Mousawi was granted due process and a fair trial but he confessed to his involvement with 9-11 on the witness stand, and the state can not appeal a case only the accused can make appeals it's called double jeopardy buddy. Again you are completely ignorant about what you're talking about and it's really quite laughable.

I'll bet you.....300$ he gets the death penalty.

It says that you have a smaller population, and let's discuss how your people wait months to recieve inadequate treatment, socialized medicine is a total farce. It reduces the medical profession to the lowest common denominator just like any other socialist program. Don't you think it's funny that you are espousing liberal policies yet it is your Conservative party which won your last elections taking control over your parliament and establishing a Conservative prime ministership? Socialism is a failure and it has failed in every single nation which it has been tried and for those countries that have established socialist states without a mix of Capitalism, they have all devolved into totalitarian dictatorships. Did you know that even fascism is a form of socialism?

Went to the hospital yesterday for acid reflux...got treatment in 20 mins. Hmmm...A minority goverment is what you're backing? lol. What does facism being a form of socialism have to with anything? It's an interpretation of socialism. Socialism is a failure....and Capitalism isnt...let's compare the number of 3rd world nations using Capitalism to the number of rich nations using capitalism...BTW

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/HDImap_current.png

Green to red....where's Cuba? ...ABOVE the South American countries you claim are far more developped.

All you do is quote off moveon.org and quote revisionist history as if it is gosple and I'm the one who's ignorant? Did you know the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?

Ok litsen....I doubt you're a major in political science....I think you've got a major in....reading what Fox news tells you. I doubt you're any smarter then I am since you've yet to get through your head that the pretty world Capitalism shows you isnt really there. I doubt you've got anything higher then a highschool education. Finally, I doubt you'll ever admit that Capitalism isnt all it's cracked up to be and that the U.S. isnt exacly fighting and empire of hate...it's more like...you're the empire of hate....think of Rome...Egypt....Greece.....MacDonalds....

 

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For someone who studies it you get really confused about wich side is wich.
You know WICH HALF OF NORTH KOREA?...Ok litsen let me give you a quick lesson cause I think you skipped a chapter in your history book....NORTH KOREA ITSELF isnt devide in 2....KOREA(as in SOUTH AND NORTH) is devided in 2. So yeah ok.

Know **** sherlock. Korea is divided along the 38th parrallel what's your point.


Cause AK's are cheaper on any market(100 million in circulation says it all) And M-16's are not(8 Million in circulation says it all). Cause an F-16 costs..

Unit cost:
F-16A/B: 1998USD 14.6 million
F-16C/D: 1998USD 18.8 million
late models: 1998USD 26.9 million

You're funny...dont you notice...the poorer you are...the more you rely on cheap weapons....[/QUOTE]

God that's not even the point the point is that the Soviets and the French supplied the weapons to Iraq during their war with Iran.

Suppliersin Billions (1985 $US)% of totalSoviet Union19.261France5.518People's Republic of China1.75Brazil1.14Egypt1.14Other countries2.96Total31.5100.0

On and on with the communists. Litsen....All I ask you to do...is say "I dont like Fidel " In Cuba...then say " I dont like Alvaro" in Colombia. Then count the seconds before some guy gets mad you said that and blasts you away.

Suuurrree you will, in Cuba yes, in Columbia no.

Thats all for South America. Did you even follow the link.

I don't need your misinformation on Latin America, I got an A in Latin American studies. Like I said I'm a poli sci major, I know that socialism in the guise of corporatism destroyed the South American economy aided by the 1970s oil embargos and the only thing that brought them out of their steep economic downfall was the Washington consensus.

OK....see thats what happens when you dont follow a link you develop dumb ideas.

LOL...I love how you think Capitalism is really whats best for the world...let's make the gap between the rich and poor wider shall we?

And the socialist alternative is to make everybody equally poor, good strategy. Just look at France with their riots and their 10% and growing unemployment. Capitalism has done more to improve the standard of living than anyother ideology in the world. Hunger and poverty are at all time historical lows for the known history of the modern world and through free trade and open markets the peace has been assured, you sir have not the slightest clue of what you prattle along about.

Here's the funny thing....with the idea of Socialism....there are different interpretations...much like religion....you can have a 1000 different schools.

You telling me MAOISM SOCIALISM AND STALINISM are the same thing is like me telling you that JEWS MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS are all the same. A very stupid remark.

No it's not again you have not the slightest clue of what you're talking about the underlying theme of three of those ideologies is state dominance over the economic freedom of the citizenry. Without all three natural rights of life, liberty, and property freedom can not truly exist and in socialism in all its forms there is no economic freedom and without economic freedom there can be no political freedom that is why every socialist regime in the history of the world has devolved into a totalitarian dictatorship because without state dominance over every aspect of the lives of the citizenry even the most basic elements of Marxist thinking can not function.

I'll bet you.....300$ he gets the death penalty.

What's your point he ****ing confessed on the witness stand what do you think he should be found innocent?

Went to the hospital yesterday for acid reflux...got treatment in 20 mins. Hmmm...A minority goverment is what you're backing? lol. What does facism being a form of socialism have to with anything? It's an interpretation of socialism. Socialism is a failure....and Capitalism isnt...let's compare the number of 3rd world nations using Capitalism to the number of rich nations using capitalism...BTW

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/HDImap_current.png

Green to red....where's Cuba? ...ABOVE the South American countries you claim are far more developped.[/QUOTE]

Ok litsen....I doubt you're a major in political science....I think you've got a major in....reading what Fox news tells you. I doubt you're any smarter then I am since you've yet to get through your head that the pretty world Capitalism shows you isnt really there. I doubt you've got anything higher then a highschool education. Finally, I doubt you'll ever admit that Capitalism isnt all it's cracked up to be and that the U.S. isnt exacly fighting and empire of hate...it's more like...you're the empire of hate....think of Rome...Egypt....Greece.....MacDonalds....

I'm a political science major at USF with a GPA of 3.5 and you're just an ignorant brainwashed communist who gets his news from the daily worker.

 

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For someone who studies it you get really confused about wich side is wich.
You know WICH HALF OF NORTH KOREA?...Ok litsen let me give you a quick lesson cause I think you skipped a chapter in your history book....NORTH KOREA ITSELF isnt devide in 2....KOREA(as in SOUTH AND NORTH) is devided in 2. So yeah ok.

Know **** sherlock. Korea is divided along the 38th parrallel what's your point.

Cause AK's are cheaper on any market(100 million in circulation says it all) And M-16's are not(8 Million in circulation says it all). Cause an F-16 costs..

Unit cost:
F-16A/B: 1998USD 14.6 million
F-16C/D: 1998USD 18.8 million
late models: 1998USD 26.9 million

You're funny...dont you notice...the poorer you are...the more you rely on cheap weapons....

God that's not even the point the point is that the Soviets and the French supplied the weapons to Iraq during their war with Iran.

Suppliers in Billions (1985 $US) % of total
Soviet Union1 9.261

France 5.518

People's Republic of China1.75

Brazil 1.14

Egypt 1.14

Other countries 2.96

Total31.5100.0

On and on with the communists. Litsen....All I ask you to do...is say "I dont like Fidel " In Cuba...then say " I dont like Alvaro" in Colombia. Then count the seconds before some guy gets mad you said that and blasts you away.

Suuurrree you will, in Cuba yes, in Columbia no.

Thats all for South America. Did you even follow the link.

I don't need your misinformation on Latin America, I got an A in Latin American studies. Like I said I'm a poli sci major, I know that socialism in the guise of corporatism destroyed the South American economy aided by the 1970s oil embargos and the only thing that brought them out of their steep economic downfall was the Washington consensus.

OK....see thats what happens when you dont follow a link you develop dumb ideas.

LOL...I love how you think Capitalism is really whats best for the world...let's make the gap between the rich and poor wider shall we?

And the socialist alternative is to make everybody equally poor, good strategy. Just look at France with their riots and their 10% and growing unemployment. Capitalism has done more to improve the standard of living than anyother ideology in the world. Hunger and poverty are at all time historical lows for the known history of the modern world and through free trade and open markets the peace has been assured, you sir have not the slightest clue of what you prattle along about.

Here's the funny thing....with the idea of Socialism....there are different interpretations...much like religion....you can have a 1000 different schools.

You telling me MAOISM SOCIALISM AND STALINISM are the same thing is like me telling you that JEWS MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS are all the same. A very stupid remark.

No it's not again you have not the slightest clue of what you're talking about the underlying theme of three of those ideologies is state dominance over the economic freedom of the citizenry. Without all three natural rights of life, liberty, and property freedom can not truly exist and in socialism in all its forms there is no economic freedom and without economic freedom there can be no political freedom that is why every socialist regime in the history of the world has devolved into a totalitarian dictatorship because without state dominance over every aspect of the lives of the citizenry even the most basic elements of Marxist thinking can not function.

I'll bet you.....300$ he gets the death penalty.

What's your point he ****ing confessed on the witness stand what do you think he should be found innocent?

Went to the hospital yesterday for acid reflux...got treatment in 20 mins. Hmmm...A minority goverment is what you're backing? lol. What does facism being a form of socialism have to with anything? It's an interpretation of socialism. Socialism is a failure....and Capitalism isnt...let's compare the number of 3rd world nations using Capitalism to the number of rich nations using capitalism...BTW

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/HDImap_current.png

Green to red....where's Cuba? ...ABOVE the South American countries you claim are far more developped.

It is only slightly higher and that is because the rest of Latin America has just recently adopted capitalist reforms in place of their socialist systems and because Castro himself has laxed on the state stranglehold of the economy in short he freed the markets it's not Communism that's at work in the economic upsurge in Cuba it's Capitalism:

Special Period

The Cuban economy is still recovering from a decline in gross domestic product of at least 35 percent between 1989 and 1993 due to the loss of 80 percent of its trading partners and Soviet subsidies. This era became known as the special period. The government has undertaken several reforms in recent years to stem excess liquidity, increase labour incentives, and alleviate serious shortages of food, consumer goods, and services. To alleviate the economic crisis, the government introduced a few market-oriented reforms including opening to tourism, allowing foreign investment, legalizing the U.S. dollar (since delegalized, but other hard currencies remain legal), and authorizing self-employment for some 150 occupations. These measures resulted in modest economic growth. The liberalized agricultural markets introduced in October 1994, at which state and private farmers sell above-quota production at free market prices, have broadened legal consumption alternatives and reduced black market prices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Cuba

And the main difference is the lack of political freedom in Cuba, not to mention that Cuba was much more economically successful prior to Communism.

Ok litsen....I doubt you're a major in political science....I think you've got a major in....reading what Fox news tells you. I doubt you're any smarter then I am since you've yet to get through your head that the pretty world Capitalism shows you isnt really there. I doubt you've got anything higher then a highschool education. Finally, I doubt you'll ever admit that Capitalism isnt all it's cracked up to be and that the U.S. isnt exacly fighting and empire of hate...it's more like...you're the empire of hate....think of Rome...Egypt....Greece.....MacDonalds....

I'm a political science major at USF with a GPA of 3.5 and you're just an ignorant brainwashed communist who gets his news from the daily worker.

 

[KCConservative]

For someone who studies it you get really confused about wich side is wich.
You know WICH HALF OF NORTH KOREA?...Ok litsen let me give you a quick lesson cause I think you skipped a chapter in your history book....NORTH KOREA ITSELF isnt devide in 2....KOREA(as in SOUTH AND NORTH) is devided in 2. So yeah ok..

Davo, Trajan has already explained that he made a mistake. He made an error. As a long time member of the forum, I can tell you Trajan knows what he is talking about. For you to hop all over this honest mistake is showing your own fear in the debate. You're new here, Davo. To flame your opponant, like you are attempting to do here, is against the forum rules. Relax.

 

[KCConservative]

Ok litsen....I doubt you're a major in political science....I think you've got a major in....reading what Fox news tells you. I doubt you're any smarter then I am since you've yet to get through your head that the pretty world Capitalism shows you isnt really there. I doubt you've got anything higher then a highschool education. Finally, I doubt you'll ever admit that Capitalism isnt all it's cracked up to be and that the U.S. isnt exacly fighting and empire of hate...it's more like...you're the empire of hate....think of Rome...Egypt....Greece.....MacDonalds....

Nothing but insulting flame. You won't be a member for long with this debate style, davo.

 

[aquapub]

No I dont. You just didnt know wich Korea was communist.

You are totally barking up the wrong tree by taunting him over this minor misstatement. He is educated and well-respected here. Back off.

 

[BodiSatva]

TOT looks up a lot, this is for sure...BUT...

As a long time member of the forum, I can tell you Trajan knows what he is talking about.

I would say..."knows what he is talking about"?

Nope.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

TOT looks up a lot, this is for sure...BUT...



I would say..."knows what he is talking about"?

Nope.

oooo that one stung.

 

[BodiSatva]

Haha...NICE! Didn't it though...:lol:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Haha...NICE! Didn't it though...:lol:

Nope not really.

 

[BodiSatva]

Of course it did. This has been a simple and quick, yet interesting study of your particular tendencies.

BodiSatva’s Principle of Language Pattern Analysis™ designates, not quite alarming, but worrisome indications concerning deficiencies regarding Awareness and Understanding. The Principle of Language Pattern Analysis™ is an invaluable tool in information extraction and alludes to certain paradigms representing the innate intellectual discipline of the designee, among other factors.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Of course it did.

BodiSatva’s Principle of Language Pattern Analysis™ designates, not quite alarming, but worrisome indications concerning deficiencies regarding Awareness and Understanding. The Principle of Language Pattern Analysis™ is an invaluable tool in information extraction and alludes to certain paradigms representing the innate intellectual discipline of the designee, among other factors.

Ya dude lay off the acid. K.

 

[BodiSatva]

Not exactly clever...hmmm...

Well, Delusional Sarcasm has already been entered into the logs, perhaps...yes, this response does add minute fluctuations regarding psychological construct.

The Principle of Language Pattern Analysis™ does work most efficiently when the target individual is unaware of the study...but results have also indicated that an unaware individual that is unaware of the study might remain forever stagnate versus the target individual that is made aware, thus displaying greater tendencies to move toward positive target objectives.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Not exactly clever...hmmm...

Well, Delusional Sarcasm has already been entered into the logs, perhaps...yes, this response does add minute fluctuations regarding psychological construct.

The Principle of Language Pattern Analysis™ does work most efficiently when the target individual is unaware of the study...but results have also indicated that an unaware individual that is unaware of the study might remain forever stagnate versus the target individual that is made aware, thus displaying greater tendencies to move toward positive target objectives.

lmfao ok Freud (lay off the coke) so what qualatative and quantative data do you got on me? I am now aware of your little observative research so the experiment is now biased. So tell me what is your methodology?

 

[BodiSatva]

Cognizance regarding this investigation merely alters your awareness of the communication. Perceived bias and other variables factor into the analysis…the objective remains seamless and unfettered.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by BodiSatva:
BodiSatva’s Principle of Language Pattern Analysis™ designates, not quite alarming, but worrisome indications concerning deficiencies regarding Awareness and Understanding. The Principle of Language Pattern Analysis™ is an invaluable tool in information extraction and alludes to certain paradigms representing the innate intellectual discipline of the designee, among other factors.

This is so true. I've always said it is not "what" someone says, it is "why" they say what they say that is at the root of whatever issue they are presenting.

 

[BodiSatva]

WHY did you say that?

Is this a trap? :lol: just joking

Haha, yeah though, if you understand the why then you understand the person.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by BodiSatva:
WHY did you say that?

Is this a trap? just joking

Haha, yeah though, if you understand the why then you understand the person.

Within the context of that situation, absolutely! With some valid inductive reasoning in others.

 

[aquapub]

Originally, he was chasing Kurdish rebels across the border; rebels that, incidentally, we encouraged.

Yes, how evil of us to encourage people to resist genocide and persecution. :roll:

 

[aquapub]

If we're talking about American moral superiority here, it's also a matter of record that:

1) We killed 250,000 Guatemalans in 1954 because they kicked United Fruit out of their country for horrible labor practices. We had to have our cheap bananas (this, incidentally, is the origin of the phrase "banana republic".

2) We commissioned to be killed 100,000 Indonesian Communists in 1964.

3) We commissioned to be killed an unknown number of Iranians in 1953-1979; the number is north of 100,000.

4) We killed or commissioned to be killed an unknown number of Latin Americans in operation Condor; the number may be as high as 1 million though more likely around a hundred thousand.

Etc. So how does this make us morally superior to virtually anybody outside the Joseph Stalins and Pol Pots of the world?

America also "commissioned the killing of" thousands at Hiroshima. When you leave out an entire side of the story like that, you can make anything look villainous and damning.